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I'm happy to answer questions anyone has on this product!
by nrp 4y ago
I'm happy to answer questions anyone has on this product!
- fishywang 4y agoas someone who has been using chromebooks for years, I'm really excited for this! 1. do you have any plans to provide expansion cards for ltr/5g connectivity? 2. do you have any plans to provide more memory for chromebook edition?
- jpetso 4y agoWith Coreboot and the ChromeOS Linux kernel running well on the device, how much would it take to release a Framework Laptop Linux Edition based on the Chromebook mainboard, but with a standard keyboard and somewhat optimized for a pre-installed Linux distribution? I would imagine that regular Linux won't do as well as ChromeOS in terms of battery life, but perhaps still considerably better than the Windows mainboard+firmware.
- ex3ndr 4y agoWhat’s the difference from original?
- nrp 4y agoChromeOS! Specifically, the Mainboard is custom-designed for ChromeOS. This means it uses coreboot instead of a proprietary BIOS and has Google's Titan C security chip. There are some other smaller differences. To keep the cost down, the top cover is aluminum-formed instead of CNCed, for compatibility reasons we weren't able to bring our fingerprint module in, and we were able to improve both audio quality and speaker loudness with an improved audio CODEC and louder transducers.
- kj34kj 4y agoFYI — I emailed your support team and was told the Chromebook did have a fingerprint reader. Which surprised me because I hadn't see it on the product page at https://frame.work/products/laptop-chromebook-12-gen-intel https://frame.work/products/laptop-chromebook-12-gen-intel They pointed me to this /gb/en/ url, which has the same chromebook slug but seems to just describe the regular 12th gen laptop: https://frame.work/gb/en/laptop-chromebook-12-gen-intel https://frame.work/gb/en/laptop-chromebook-12-gen-intel So to be clear, no fingerprint reader for the Chromebook? Any chance of adding that in the future?
- NoraCodes 4y agoInteresting - does this mean it'll be possible to create a Coreboot edition of the original Framework motherboard design, or is that capability related to Titan C?
- nrp 4y agoIt is technically possible to, and we've provided development systems to a few coreboot developers. This is something we'll be putting more energy into next year as we grow the Framework team.
- NoraCodes 4y agoThat's wonderful to hear! I'm very excited about where Framework is going these days.
- alexvoda 4y agoSystem76 have done work on enabling CoreBoot support on several laptops (which AFAICT are rebranded and certified versions of ODM whitelabel devices). Would any collaboration with them regarding CoreBoot be helpful/desirable/possible/planned/etc. ?
- mixmastamyk 4y agoBummer just bought one was very not pleased to find “intel vpro corporate” force enabled in the firmware.
- leonlag 4y ago> coreboot instead of a proprietary BIOS and has Google's Titan C security chip This is what I was hoping when I got the announcement via email. The question is if this will be locked down to chromeos or if it's possible to install your own keys to load a linux distro while still retaining verified boot capabilities.
- surajrmal 4y agoI believe all Chromebooks are capable of having custom keys installed.
- baybal2 4y ago> To keep the cost down, the top cover is aluminum-formed instead of CNCed Forging is in no way inferior to CNC, on the contrary, a forget aluminium part should have more rigidity per unit of thickness, depending on the alloy. I guess, you got to volumes big enough to open the mould for forging? If you need an audio engineer, I can refer you one fellow. He worked at Apple, Harman, Asus, BBK, and is now looking to relocated from the East Bloc.
- henearkr 4y agoHe meant formed not forged. The formed top covers are thick aluminium foils that are folded by machines. They did show signs of lack of rigidity in the usage of the laptops (it was shipped with the first Framework laptops, and later replaced by CNC for this very reason).
- henearkr 4y agoWill it be possible to buy and use these new audio components to improve a standard FrameWork? In the Markeplace I can see the new speakers but not the new audio board (or is the codec actually on the motherboard?).
- r2binx 4y agoCan you elaborate what you mean with improved audio quality? My headphone jack on the 12th gen. (batch 1) model has a constant loud static/white noise which is very audible when listening to music even at max volume.
- skybrian 4y agoHow long will Google support ChromeOS on this machine? What alternative OSes will it run? Edit: the article says “receives automatic updates for up to eight years” but an upper bound isn’t so helpful here.
- nrp 4y agoGoogle is committed to a minimum of 8 years of security updates. We don't have currently have official support for other OS's, but there is an active community of people bringing other OS's to Chromebooks.
- kilovoltaire 4y agosounds like the page should say "at least eight years" then, instead of "up to eight years"
- beal 4y agoWhat's more likely, Google break their commitment or they provide extra patches past their commitment.
- mschuster91 4y agoIn case of doubt you can always replace the OS with whatever Linux distribution you choose, which only leaves closed-source driver/fw blobs - but that problem is shared with every other general-purpose computer these days.
- skybrian 4y agoA specific date would be better, because otherwise it’s ambiguous. Eight years starting when?
- washadjeffmad 4y agoGoogle provides specific support dates on its Pixel and Chromebook devices. For instance, under "About ChromeOS", mine says, "This device will get automatic software and security updates until 2027." https://support.google.com/chrome/a/answer/6220366?visit_id=637993754823160294-3736169401&p=auto-update-policy&rd=1 https://support.google.com/chrome/a/answer/6220366?visit_id=...
- CivBase 4y agoAre there plans to adopt the camera/mic switches for future Windows/Linux laptops?
- nrp 4y agoThey are there currently! All Framework Laptops have hardware privacy switches for the camera and microphones.
- hiimkeks 4y agoThey already have them.
- CivBase 4y agoSo they do! I couldn't find any marketing material pointing out the switches on the originals, so I assumed this was a change for the Chromebooks. But you're right, I managed to find an image of a Framework laptop where the switches are visible.
- zeta0134 4y agoTraditional chromebooks are fairly locked down, and make it difficult (and scary) to install an alternate operating system alongside ChromeOS, for users that want a bit more power. What is the situation like on the Framework edition? How open is the bootloader, and how tricky is it to enter (and stay in) developer mode?
- nrp 4y agoThe bootloader situation is the same as other Chromebooks. It is totally possible to get into and stay in developer mode to do what you would like with the system. In practice, doing things outside of ChromeOS depends on how robust community-driven development ends up around that.
- amstan 4y agoI recommend you send one to MrChromebox: https://mrchromebox.tech/#devices https://mrchromebox.tech/#devices
- skadamat 4y agoCurious if this will support Chromium OS or only Chrome OS? I'd also love to learn more about the motivation to create this laptop and the target audiences!
- amstan 4y agoIt's Chrome OS proper
- bostonvaulter2 4y agoWhat components from the main Framework laptop are compatible with this version? i.e. keyboard/display
- nrp 4y agoWe have compatibility filters in the Marketplace to indicate what is compatible. Technically, every module is compatible, but some will turn it into not a Chromebook. For example, you can drop a regular Framework Laptop Mainboard or Input Cover into it. Keeping it as a Chromebook with ChromeOS, there are specific firmwares required for the Touchpad and Webcam that required us to create variants. The Fingerprint Module we have is also not compatible with ChromeOS.
- mkozlows 4y agoAre there any learnings from the touchpad work that will come back to the regular laptop?
- babypuncher 4y agoIs the hardware any different? If not, why sell this as a separate machine instead of providing a ChromeOS image that can be installed to a standard Framework?
- NoraCodes 4y agoAccording to the article: > we’ve partnered with ChromeOS because of their commitment to long-lasting speed and transparency. The Framework Laptop Chromebook Edition is built with the Titan C security chip and receives automatic updates for up to eight years, all to keep your Chromebook fast and secure.
- nrp 4y agoSibling comment got it correct, but worth noting that you can install ChromeOS Flex on a regular Framework Laptop. It won't have the same level of optimization that the Chromebook Edition has, and Google only has functionality like the Android Play Store enabled on Chromebooks. https://cloud.google.com/blog/products/chrome-enterprise/chromeos-flex-ready-to-scale-to-pcs-and-macs https://cloud.google.com/blog/products/chrome-enterprise/chr...
- m-p-3 4y agoI believe it comes with a lower-end CPU compared to the standard Framework, and also includes a builtin Titan C security chip.
- wilsonnb3 4y agoThe Chromebook version has a different keyboard than the regular one. Like most Chromebooks, it only has a large control and alt key in the bottom left. Plus no caps lock, you get a search key instead I think.
- michael_j_ward 4y agoI'm very interested in the contours of this relationship with Google. - What kind of commitments did each party make to each other? - Did Google request anything of Framework? What requests did Framework agree to? Which did they deny? - What differentiates this product from the normal offering?
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- philliphaydon 4y agoWhy this over getting an AMD laptop? After the terrible experience of going back to Intel, I doubt I'll ever bother with an Intel laptop ever again. Is Intel giving benefits to ensure you don't support AMD?
- webmobdev 4y agoYes. This is why I don't really buy all this talk of Intel is "dead and finished" and will "fade away" in the next 5 year ... Even though Intel has an inferior product to AMD, they are really good at selling their product and don't mind indulging in unethical (or even illegal) market practices to do so. They still have a lot of money and they use it well to undercut their competitors. AMD shines in technical competence against both Intel and Apple, but is weaker than both when it comes to marketing and selling their product.
- robch 4y agoI think it is more complex than that. AMD uses TSMC foundaries to make their chips and has to compete with nVidia and Apple for capacity. Intel can guarentee their yields because they own their foundaries.
- iopq 4y agoThis is old news. AMD has since cancelled orders because of GPU sales falling off a cliff. They have enough for Framework, if Framework wants to jump on to make something
- smoldesu 4y agoI don't work for Framework, but my guess is that AMD doesn't make a chip with powerful enough IO controllers to operate the Framework. It's a shame, because I also like the Ryzen mobile chipset, but even the M1 wouldn't have enough IO bandwidth to drive 4x Thunderbolt 4 ports at full speed. Love them or hate them, this is part of the Intel 'package' that you're paying for. Besides, now is a terrible time to start offering AMD laptops. You want them to drop a 6000-series laptop when the next-gen mobile Ryzen chips were announced less than a month ago? Have some patience!
- asdfk-12 4y agoWould an ARM-based mainboard variant be a possibility down the line?
- freedomben 4y agoI'd also love to see a RISC-V variant at some point when it makes sense.
- snvzz 4y agoI'd rather wait for a RISC-V variant than waste any of my time with ARM.
- Laaas 4y agoIt is truly unfortunate that an ARM-based variant isn't available. When you don't care about single-core performance and compatibility, there really isn't much reason to use x86 at all. For me personally, my priority is by far battery-life (and LTE support is a nice bonus). I'm refraining from using Framework until they get an ARM device out to replace my current ARM chromebook (Acer Chromebook Spin 513, my NixOS configuration: https://github.com/L-as/NixOS-lazor https://github.com/L-as/NixOS-lazor)
- amstan 4y agoLazor's SOC has 1 internal type C port and it was a pain to transform that to 2 external ports via a HUB and complicated muxes. There really isn't any other performant ARM chip that has more ports, enough to work in a framework 4 port type situation. If we want to go beyond DP alt mode into USB 4 you could forget it.
- Rebelgecko 4y agoHow's battery life during the ChromeOS equivalent of sleep/suspend/hibernate?
- ddxv 4y agoApologies for the direct question, but I've wondered, how does this make sense for your business? Chromebooks have typically been seen as cheap versions of laptops but Frameworks is priced above the average Chromebook price. Is there a sense that there is an untapped 'premium' chromebook audience or will this make sense even without that. Perhaps you're looking for large/discounted partnerships with educational organizations?
- ShirleyMarquez 4y agoThere are some other premium Chromebooks. Google started things off with the Pixelbook, which it appears they are now discontinuing. HP and Samsung have produced some high end Chromebooks. They're a niche market: C-level executives at companies that use Chromebooks, developers at those companies, Linux fans who will mostly use the Chromebook to run Linux apps. They make more economic sense as an adaptation of a laptop that is already being sold for other markets rather than as a dedicated product. The Pixelbook line never did enough volume for Google to make money on it. It was a proof of concept, a way of showing that a Chromebook didn't have to just mean a low end and cheaply built Acer or the like, but could be something that higher end users would happily use and not be ashamed to be seen with when they do a presentation. Now that other companies are making premium Chromebooks, there is no longer a need for Google to produce them.
- nrp 4y agoIt's a valid question. Since there are few to no current products in this segment, we really are testing it. We get to do tests like this much more efficiently than most because we can leverage our existing modular product and build just new modules needed for it.
- the_duke 4y agoI am (personally) a bit disappointed that you'd work on a Chromebook version first, before tackling AMD or a version with a dedicated GPU. I'll need a new laptop soon, and would really love to see either and ideally both of those. But for the company it's probably a good move. Get help from Google on battery optimisations, open up a new market and hopefully get a sizeable order from Google directly, all without a crazy amount of re-engineering...
- warent 4y agoHey there, just wanted to share my experience with you. I've used Macbooks for the past like 6 years for programming, after several jobs in Silicon Valley required it. Apple has been pretty much okay except for some key issues around memory consumption and overheating. After they hit a supply line issue earlier this year, I decided to try getting a Framework instead. Been using my Framework laptop for a month or so now consistently for heavy programming work, and it is the best machine I've ever had. Thank you! It also was the catalyst to get me into using Linux (Ubuntu) which has been a huge blessing beyond what I expected. I posted a photo of myself at a coffee shop to a Discord group, and someone saw the corner of the laptop. They asked "Is that a Macbook I see?" and I explained to them "Nah it's a Framework" and shared the link. Didn't really expect much beyond that, but actually they loved it. Several people looked at it and said "Wow! This sounds amazing! Actually... going to save this for later..."
- stavros 4y agoHaving just bought a Framework to replace my 5-year-old XPS, I really hope I have the same experience as you. Do you run Linux, by the way? I hope Linux support is good.
- fab13n 4y agoGot one under Ubuntu 22.04. My only issue is that some transitions are frustratingly slow, much moreso than on my 2014 XPS13: * Getting out of sleep (deep RAM sleep, not hibernate) * Handling password/fingerprint authentication once out of sleep * Wifi rescan frequency * Occasionally, plugging/unplugging external screens And I've got no idea why. Once woken up and plugged to whatever I need to use, it's a really good laptop.
- mixmastamyk 4y agoSame here, make sure you use a very recent distro/kernel for 12th gen support.
- warent 4y agoI'm using 12th gen processor, latest versions of Ubuntu and Linux Ubuntu: Ubuntu 22.04.1 LTS Linux: 5.17.0-051700-generic The only problems I've had so far is the "brightness" fn keys don't work, and bluetooth isn't great with certain devices like Airpods. The brightness keys isn't a big deal, can still set brightness in the OS. It's probably fixable through some manual keymapping. Bluetooth is more annoying but I somehow doubt it's a hardware issue. I just ended up getting Sony wireless earbuds to complete my transition away from Apple. That being said, I also tried to dual boot Windows. Windows really does not like the hardware, and the Framework driver install package (https://knowledgebase.frame.work/en_us/framework-laptop-bios-and-driver-releases-12th-gen-intel-core-Bkx2kosqq https://knowledgebase.frame.work/en_us/framework-laptop-bios...) had limited effect in fixing the issues. Lots of bugs with audio and graphics. So, for now I would say it is too premature for Windows, but great for Linux!
- bcjordan 4y agoBeyond laptops / more speculative - are there other hardware devices you'd be curious about branching out to some day? AR/VR headsets, robotics, servers for rendering/ML on the edge, etc.?
- soulnothing 4y agoIs there a chance of a hinge offering 2 in 1 capabilities? I.E. full fold back to tablet mode?
- noveltyaccount 4y ago+1 for 360° hinge and touch/stylus digitizer
- travisby 4y agoI'm a huge chromebook fan actually -- but my current one is looking a tad unsupported (pixel slate) I've been considering a framework as a replacement actually! One of the things I really care about is battery life + sleep performance. The article mentions: > .* At the same time, the Framework Laptop Chromebook Edition is our most power efficient product yet with optimizations from Google and Intel that allow for long-lasting battery life. Can you provide some numbers around the battery life improvements? Sounds exciting! (And are these going to be backported to the normal 12th gen boards, or is it a feature of the unique mainboard/not firmware?) Can you speak to the OS image as well? Is there any non-upstream drivers that are relied on? I notice lots of chromebooks have drivers that aren't in the regular upstream kernel, but just in the chromiumos source. I'm hoping that I could eventually swap OS' if needed w/o getting a new mainboard, and want to see how viable that is. Thanks for the hard work, and in advance for the questions! (P.S. like everyone else, AMD would be exciting if you don't know that :p) [edit] one of my biggest disappointments in my slate is that it never received vm-in-vm support with the newer kernel. Is /dev/kvm available in the linux container? I _think_ that goes hand in hand with the steam supuport, but not sure
- nrp 4y agoGoogle has fairly strict requirements around power consumption. They have a standard test for 10 hours of active use through common use cases, which we were able to meet. For standby, the requirement is around 14 days. I have to double check where we are on the current software and firmware, but we are close to that number. We actually did learn some things about the Intel re-timers through this product development that let us come up with ways to improve the behavior on the regular 12th Gen Framework Laptops. We are currently developing a firmware update for that that will improve both active and standby battery life.
- hyperdimension 4y ago> We actually did learn some things about the Intel re-timers through this product development that let us come up with ways to improve the behavior on the regular 12th Gen Framework Laptops. We are currently developing a firmware update for that that will improve both active and standby battery life. Is this specific to Intel's 12th gen or can it also be ported to the 11th gen? I have an 11th gen Framework and am delighted with everything about the laptop except for battery life. If that could be improved, I would have absolutely no complaints whatsoever about the laptop.
- PascLeRasc 4y agoThank you so much for making a keyboard without a Windows key and for selling it separately as well. The product page says it’s only compatible with the Chromebook edition though, does this just mean the function keys won’t be mapped or that it won’t work at all?
- nrp 4y agoThe Chromebook Edition keyboard will work on a regular Framework Laptop. It is just physically missing the fn and Win/super keys and has fn row artwork that won't match.
- dkarl 4y agoDoes it have another key in its place? The Windows key is one of my favorite things about Linux in a desktop/laptop machine: a key that isn't used by any applications, which I can dedicate entirely towards window management, without worrying that it will conflict with any application key bindings.
- emptyparadise 4y agoIs it possible to get the Chrome OS version one of these with a super/win key like on the standard version?
- alexvoda 4y agoOr at the very least, can the normal keyboard part be installed afterwards?
- alexvoda 4y ago1. Does this come with CoreBoot and the jumper/screw to unlock CoreBoot like other Chromebooks? 2. Does this come with the silly Chromebook keyboard that is missing two keys on the left side? If it does, is it compatible with the normal keyboard part? 3. When will you bring a motherboard with an AMD APU?
- alexvoda 4y agoCan the motherboard be purchased separately in order to transform an existing Framework laptop into a Framework Chromebook?
- nrp 4y agoTechnically, yes! You may also need the Chromebook-specific Input Cover and Webcam though for full functionality.
- qzw 4y agoAre those the only hardware differences from a regular Framework?
- qzw 4y agoDidn’t google make a version of ChromeOS that can be installed on a lot of regular laptops? Seems to me it’s possible there may not be any hardware difference between the Chromebook edition and other Framework laptops.
- myelin 4y agoThe Chromebook edition is based on the "brya" motherboard design shared by other Chromebooks with 12th gen Intel processors, so it won't be the same as the usual 12th gen Framework board. You can install Chrome OS Flex on the standard Framework mainboard, though; I think earlier commenters have provided more detail.
- nsm 4y agoThis is potentially a very attractive replacement for my Pixelbook. What is the battery life when running Chrome OS? If I wanted to, could I later put a full Linux or Windows in some sort of dual boot?
- nightpool 4y agoThey answered battery life questions here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32927094 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32927094, and bootloader questions here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32926689 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32926689 (it's possible to install other OSs, but depends on community support, it's not official)
- dzikimarian 4y agoFirst of all I'm very much on board with ideas behind framework laptop. Thanks for your work :-) Is there any roadmap for wider distribution in Europe? Especially eastern part.
- nnm 4y agoWhat is the size of the screen? Can't find it on the page.
- treffer 4y agoI have a 11th gen frame.work. 1. Could I swap mainboards to upgrade the 11th gen framework to the chromebook version? 2. Is the coreboot chip flashable with custom firmware? / Is the boot process locked? This might well be the mainboard I've been waiting for. Congratulations on shipping this!
- ryukafalz 4y agoAlso curious about this. If the mainboards are compatible (especially if they’re usable outside the laptop like the current ones are) this is very interesting.
- IE6 4y agoThis is what I want.
- nrp 4y agoI noted this in another comment, but that mainboard swap should work. You'll likely need a Chromebook-specific Input Cover and Webcam for full functionality though, and this is an upgrade path we have done limited validation effort on thus far. When switched into developer mode, it should be possible to update and customize firmware. There is a pretty active community for Chromebook firmware customization out there.
- mohaine 4y agoI'm in the same place. I would love to upgrade mine to chrome os just for the battery life.
- pa7ch 4y agoCan you set a battery charge limit on the chromeOS firmware?
- binkHN 4y agoThere is some effort here—see chrome://flags#adaptive-charging at https://www.aboutchromebooks.com/news/chromeos-105-release-arrives-what-you-need-to-know/ https://www.aboutchromebooks.com/news/chromeos-105-release-a....
- pbronez 4y agoWill this support Linux on ChromeOS (Crostini)? The ChromeOS doc page "Set Up Linux on your Chromebook" [0] links to a supported models list [1] which does NOT include Framework. [0] https://support.google.com/chromebook/answer/9145439?hl=en https://support.google.com/chromebook/answer/9145439?hl=en [1] https://sites.google.com/a/chromium.org/dev/chromium-os/chrome-os-systems-supporting-linux https://sites.google.com/a/chromium.org/dev/chromium-os/chro...
- rasengan0 4y agoLooks like a yes: "...you can multitask with ease on top of running heavy Chrome workloads. ChromeOS supports downloading Android™ apps from the Google Play Store, developing on Linux with Crostini, playing PC games with Steam on ChromeOS Alpha, and more." source: https://community.frame.work/t/introducing-the-framework-laptop-chromebook-edition/22864 https://community.frame.work/t/introducing-the-framework-lap... Maybe the support sites will get updated to include Frame.Work
- pbronez 4y agoCan you provide more information about why the fingerprint module was excluded [0]? I've grown to rely on Windows Hello / Mac FaceID. It's disappointing not to have a bio metric option. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32926574 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32926574
- MrStonedOne 4y ago
- odensc 4y agoI would suggest adding information about the display panel on your website. I could not find anywhere whether it's IPS or not.
- cbsmith 4y agoI'm comparing this with the 12-gen DIY offerings, and it seems like it's mostly the low-end configuration of the DIY with ChromeOS installed. The FAQ says there are some subtle differences like louder speakers and a "more power optimized battery". Can you clarify what "more power optimized" means (a rather vague statement as the specs page suggests the same capacity and durability)? I noticed the 256GB of storage is different from the DIY options. I'm guessing this is driven by hardware support limitations for ChromeOS. I'm wondering if the same is true with the RAM. The FAQ also says you can add memory and storage later, but I noticed the FAQ mentions "We recommend using modules from Google’s Chromebook compatibility lists, which can be viewed in our Knowledge Base, and are available for purchase on the Framework Marketplace." I didn't find that compatibility list anywhere in the Knowledge Base, but I did find this post (https://community.frame.work/t/introducing-the-framework-laptop-chromebook-edition/22864 https://community.frame.work/t/introducing-the-framework-lap...) which seems to suggest you can upgrade to 64GB of RAM and 1TB of NVMe storage, though it's not clear if that's using parts that are on Google's compatibility list or not. Can you provide any clarity on this?
- nrp 4y agoThe power optimizations are in the Mainboard electrical design, firmware, and OS, and improve both standby and in-use efficiency. The battery itself is identical to the one in other Framework Laptops. On the storage, we use Western Digital SN730 and SN740 drives, which are also what we put in the pre-built Framework Laptops. These are roughly equivalent to the SN750 and SN770 retail drives, respectively. On the memory and storage, ChromeOS technically has an allow-list for memory and storage, though in practice we have seen modules not on the list work fine. We'll be adding that list onto the Knowledge Base. We will be making parts that are on the list available in the Framework Marketplace for guaranteed compatibility (the memory we already have, and we'll be introducing SN730/SN740 storage up to 1TB).
- cbsmith 4y ago> The power optimizations are in the Mainboard electrical design, firmware, and OS, and improve both standby and in-use efficiency. It'd be nice to see improvements in the mainboard of the standard laptops as well. I imagine, in theory, much of the firmware and OS improvements could be installed on one of them already. > On the storage, we use Western Digital SN730 and SN740 drives, which are also what we put in the pre-built Framework Laptops. Ah, now I see it. The pre-built one has 256GB & 512GB options that the DIY ones don't have. I'm always amused by how specs differ between OEM and non-OEM parts. > On the memory and storage, ChromeOS technically has an allow-list for memory and storage, though in practice we have seen modules not on the list work fine. We'll be adding that list onto the Knowledge Base. We will be making parts that are on the list available in the Framework Marketplace for guaranteed compatibility (the memory we already have, and we'll be introducing SN730/SN740 storage up to 1TB). Awesome. Thanks. These were really helpful answers. As feedback, I'd say it would be nice to be able to select different starting memory options in particular, but this is a really great offering.
- kelvie 4y agoAre there plans to develop a touchscreen and a tablet mode for the the framework? And if so, can we at least re-use some of the existing parts, other than the mainboard? I understand if you can't make promises here, I'm also on a product team :)
- cutierust 4y agoI wish you success and I hope the collaboration with google was financially rewarding but end of the day everything that doesn't work out would mentally hurt and thereby reduce chances of future successes. I would request you to kindly focus!
- fulafel 4y agoAre other language kb variants planned?
- nrp 4y agoWe have "Register your interest" set up for other countries currently. Depending on how much interest there is, this is something we will consider as we go forward.
- moondev 4y agoWill this support Android apps from Google play? If so, could this ChromeOS build be installed on a normal framework? Reason I ask is that ChromeOS flex doesn't support Android apps.
- dimitar 4y agoAny chance of it getting sold in the EU?
- pa7ch 4y agoWould love to see https://bugs.chromium.org/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=980456 https://bugs.chromium.org/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=980456 get fixed on ChromeOS. Then I could use my e-reader and Calibre via crostini.
- harry8 4y agoWhat was your process in deciding to pursue this and bring the product to market? How did you see the niche and do you still see it the same way now it is here? What do you consider to be the value proposition for potential customers of this product? What is your assessment of the TAM? Do you have limits on how many differentiated products you are willing to pursue simultaneously in the market?
- hericium 4y agoThis and other products: are AMD or ARM CPUs planned? I'm hesitant to obtain a Framework Laptop due to intel CPUs.
- TheSpiceIsLife 4y agoBit late to the party, I'm in Tasmania and was up a mountain doing various things. I work in metal fabrication (tradesperson) and run a laser cutter as my full time job, and have an interest in most things metallurgical. Are you able to talk about the 50% post-consumer recycled aluminium. What were the pros / cons of 50% rather than higher or lower percentages.
- grey_earthling 4y ago> Framework began with the goal to remake consumer electronics to respect people Do you honestly believe Google respects people? What measures have you put in place to mitigate Google's surveillance of its users?