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The trick to improving YouTube recommendations is to regularly prune uninteresting videos and channels. Eventually this should start surfacing videos you're mor
by TheAceOfHearts 4y ago
The trick to improving YouTube recommendations is to regularly prune uninteresting videos and channels. Eventually this should start surfacing videos you're more likely to find interesting.
I've actually hit the end of my recommendation stream on the mobile app after marking dozens of videos with Not Interested. Once this happens it starts recommending videos you've already watched or older videos from creators you've been watching lately.
Personally, I'd love it if you could curate the recommendation system a bit more. I'm never interested in rewatching stuff I've already seen. And the recency bias for recommendations means you're always getting more if what you've recently consumed. I'd like it if more older interests were mixed in. Finally, I'd love to be able to blacklist certain topics and games entirely.
There's so much missed potential with YouTube recommendations.
Some might say that you can still use search, but that has been crippled to include unrelated recommendations after one page of results. Not only that, I want YouTube to help me discover new content. When the recommendation system works and it shows me new kinds of interesting stuff, it's superb. TikTok is eating YouTube's lunch in this regard.
Edit: forgot to mention this. On mobile if you do a recommendation refresh it'll show a New to You filter which you can use to explore more diverse recommendations. I don't know why it's hidden in this manner.
- zoltar 4y agoI've done this aggressively in the past. The effect is so poor it's absolutely not worth the effort. I honestly couldn't imagine writing a system worse than their current recommendations. Straight up random would be a better system in some situations.
- svnpenn 4y ago> I'm never interested in rewatching stuff I've already seen. thats a weird position. The whole point of YouTube (used to be anyway) was long form content. YouTube is not new anymore. You really have no interest in watching some good 10 minute video you saw 9 years ago?
- SllX 4y agoYou’ve nailed most of the curation, but the way I get new recommendations is that I search out new stuff on YouTube. At this point if there’s any subject matter I’m interested in that’s not political or social issues, I’ll do a search on YouTube in addition to my other searches (Google, Brave Search, Reddit, etc.) to see what I can turn up. This often nets me additional recommendations down the line, often when there’s a new video on that subject posted when I’m not expecting it. Low quality videos also get nuked with prejudice from my history.
- throw_m239339 4y ago> Some might say that you can still use search, but that has been crippled to include unrelated recommendations after one page of results. Not only that, I want YouTube to help me discover new content. When the recommendation system works and it shows me new kinds of interesting stuff, it's superb. TikTok is eating YouTube's lunch in this regard. this and it's going too far, since Youtube is now polluting people's search with very questionable recommendations. For instance, I'm into CGI and Youtube search kept recommending me some random footage about a female streamer which behaved and dressed very suggestively, that already had millions of view, what does it have to do with Shaders and Raytracing? Why the hell does Youtube want me to look at that?
- xattt 4y ago> Why the hell does Youtube want me to look at that? One answer is that some assumptions that YouTube makes about the viewers is based on very broad stereotypes; the geek who’s into CGI also has a sexual side that they are about to discover through YouTube.
- harry8 4y agoGoogle have a ton of other ML features about you that they fit to the model and so you have been profiled to be a bit lecherous.[1] Do you feel good about that? Think how it must feel to be profiled to be a crook or a bad credit risk or something else that actually impacts your life and is false. It's a little worrying. [1] Other people like you like this so it is assumed you do also. Without "lecherous" ever being mentioned or even anything like suggestively dressed appearing as a model feature. It is really, really easy to accidentally train a statistical model to be wildly prejudiced. It seems significantly harder for us to categorize it when it happens as "other similar decisions are made by shockingly violent racist and evil humans and this model and those using it should be treated with the same or more derision as they claim not be so and ought to know better." Significantly harder for many good reasons as well as bad ones.
- JohnFen 4y agoThe one nice thing about Google's ML features is that they're so absolutely terrible that what they think means nothing about you at all.
- darth_avocado 4y agoThe biggest problem with this approach is that it takes a lot of curation to get your recommendation in a decent shape and it takes you one accidental video view to have your feed be full of uninteresting content related to that video. This asymmetry is the root of all the recommendation system problems.
- epivosism 4y agoFor me as soon as I say "not interested" it completely nukes that keyword. I don't have to keep doing it.
- XorNot 4y agoThis right here is exactly it: my number one use of incognito mode these days is when clicking on YouTube videos that have been linked from somewhere else where I'm trying to keep their content out of my recommendations.
- rtsil 4y agoRemove the unwanted video from your history and it will no longer affect your recommendations.
- arcatech 4y agoThe article is claiming that that doesn't actually do very much.
- infogulch 4y agoIt works for me and other people I know. Especially useful when I'm baited or my finger slips. Paired with flagging recommendations as "Not interested" or "Don't recommend channel" it's very effective.
- oyashirochama 4y agoYT has hidden tags that tie it to your account after viewing a video, removing the video from played/history does not affect this and has been an issue with YT for nearly 6-7 years at this point.
- everdrive 4y ago>Some might say that you can still use search At some point Youtube search was neutered. I get 5-10 results for any given query before Youtube gives up and just offers me recommendations rather than search results. Interestingly, if I search google for [search term] site:youtube.com, I actually get pages of results which are never present in the Youtube search. Sadly, it seems that Google has intentionally diminished Youtube's own search function in order to prioritize use of the recommendation system.
- wussboy 4y agoYup. Search reveals two or three relevant videos but from that point on the search results are indistinguishable from the regular feed. And I get the same video recommended to me all the time. Sometimes back to back!
- laweijfmvo 4y agoIf you’re not watching ads, you’re worthless to Youtube. Scrolling through search results wouldn’t increase revenue.
- astrange 4y agoYouTube doesn't show you ads if you buy Premium.
- gammarator 4y agoYou need the YouTube Pro Max+ Platinum bundle to get functional search.
- astrange 4y agoYeah, search doesn't work at all. It does seem like it pulls up specific channels if you put "ch" in the search text, so I tend to go from there.
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- poglet 4y agoOccasionally I have to clear my search history and 'start again'. Once YouTube think's it knows what I like, I get 1 or 2 categories of videos I might watch and barley anything else related to my subscriptions.
- bushbaba 4y agoYou could just use incognito mode to view Youtube and see the suggestions
- treeman79 4y agoMine will not give up on family guy. Hundreds of dis likes. Don’t recommend.
- Consultant32452 4y agoAI: Oh, showing /u/treeman79 some Family Guy videos increases their engagement, MOAR FAMILY GUY!!!111oneoneone
- pbhjpbhj 4y agoI assume that's exactly it, why else would companies do this sort of thing, or are all media companies inept.
- Consultant32452 4y agoThe AI found me and downvoted. If I never post again you know what happened!
- joseda-hg 4y agoI've had this, I take a couple extra seconds to specifically say don't recommend me anything from this channel, and then my suggestions get bombarded with that style from videos from different channels The most blatant was a specific "Get robux" video that appeared constantly on my feed from dozens of different channels but that triggered this extra engagement in the form of blocking, reporting and disliing
- towaway15463 4y agoI’m pretty sure it’s exactly this, just time spent on page no matter what you’re doing even if it is scrolling past dozens of recommended videos trying to find something half decent.
- xani_ 4y ago"he just keeps watching and engaging with content, let's give him more!" Click triple dot thingy on recommendations and select "not interested"
- diogenescynic 4y agoI'm regularly recommended videos from Richard Wolff that I've downvoted and flagged as not-interested. It's so annoying that I've often thought about making an entirely new account but the amount of work to re-subscribe to all the channels isn't worth it. I really wonder why YouTube recommends you things repeatedly that you dislike and switch away from. Something is broken in the algorithm or it's doing as intended. Either way, it's a frustrating user experience.
- p1necone 4y agoYeah the recency bias is really annoying to me. I'll get really interested in some new topic for a bit and watch a bunch of videos about it and it seems like YouTube takes that as a signal to bump other topics out of my recommendations, even if they're things that I've consistently been interested in for a long time. I wish I could somehow "save" the state of my recommendations profile so I can revert it if it goes off the rails.
- sofixa 4y agoYouTube Incognito mode if you know you're going to stray in a weird topic could help with that.
- tstrimple 4y agoRecommendations for old videos drives me crazy. There is a magic the gathering YouTuber who releases daily content that I watch (at least in the background) daily. I want to see the current state of the game and the meta being played. Videos of his from two years ago do nothing at all for me. He has years of content, and I don’t want to actually block his channel from recommendations so I guess I just put up with it. Similar story with a guy who reviews indie games daily. I want to see the future (potential) indie hits not the games from years ago.
- Underphil 4y agoNone of this works for me. I get constant recommendations for (what I consider to be) asinine lifestyle videos, and music videos completely unrelated to my interests. It doesn't matter how many times I say I'm not interested in K-pop, it doesn't help.
- Euphorbium 4y agoDont recommend channel works real well.
- Underphil 4y agoNot for me. Just gives me more of the same.
- jliptzin 4y agoI just wish youtube would stop constantly recommending annoying Jordan Peterson videos
- lemon_bottle 4y ago>> The trick to improving YouTube recommendations is to regularly prune uninteresting videos and channels. Eventually this should start surfacing videos you're more likely to find interesting. Unfortunately, Capitalism doesn't work like that :-(. Back in the old days, Google searches used to be organic searches in the genuine sense, and that was the best Google we ever had. But today's Google is the Big Tech Capitalist and so will be their algorithms. The organic logic should follow your prunes and show you what you want but the capitalist logic will only show what they're paid to show to you! (i.e. propaganda, politically motivated content, inciting content, etc. etc.).
- towaway15463 4y agoThey have to be capitalist in order to be a profitable company. The problem has more to do with their size and monopoly status. They have the whole market and no credible pressure from consumers threatening to leave for other businesses and so they just do whatever they want which is chasing internal trends and politics.
- robertlagrant 4y agoGoogle was always capitalist. No one was forced to work on it or invest in it. On your other point: I've not read anything that suggests Google is paid things to promote content. Where do you get that from?
- zimpenfish 4y agoAppreciate it can never happen but I'd love filtering rules for YouTube's home page. "Nothing I've watched in the last N months, nothing older than N months, nothing from the blocklist, nothing from X about Z, nothing from Y after YMD", etc.
- vodkapump 4y agoI have done this for recommendations, and it now only shows videos I have recently watched, usually the 3-4 previous videos I watched. If I click on anything I wouldn't usually watch, it is then the only thing that goes in my recommendation for a good 2-3 weeks. I watched one dashcam video the other day that someone linked me, which had the tags Tesla and Elon Musk.... Now the only thing I get in my recommended is incredibly strange videos about Elon Musk and Teslas.
- Clampower 4y agoI watch a fair amount of tech stuff on YouTube. Lately, it’ll recommend me product release videos (Samsung Galaxy S2) from 10 years or so ago. YouTube is hilariously bad.
- cerved 4y agoTikTok also makes imperfect recommendations, the difference is that's it's trivial to skip a recommendation
- alpaca128 4y agoI never do this because I have no idea what it'll do. If I tell YT I'm not interested in a video will it hide the whole channel from me? Even secretly unsubscribe me as it randomly did multiple times? If I had to describe YouTube's recommendation algorithm I'd say "undefined behaviour". It might recommend the same uninteresting video every day, but also hide an interesting, subscribed channel's videos for months even though I liked almost every one of their videos. It might mix videos I already watched once with completely unrelated search results. At this point Google could probably improve their algorithm just by flipping a coin.
- towaway15463 4y agoYouTube already knows how to fix it. All they have to do is revert to their pre-2016 recommendation engine. They panicked when they along with the other socials thought they somehow got Trump elected and they kludged their algorithm to death. After that it’s just been one ham fisted patch after another. Personally I think all of the people who knew how the previous system worked are gone by now, pushed out by demands use the algorithm to shape user behaviour. Now it’s just whoever doesn’t have a moral problem with such scummy practices which is likely a basket of juniors and ideologues that barely know how to glue code together.
- whywhywhywhy 4y agoSecond you notice it surfacing things you don’t want to see because you accidentally clicked a rec you have to go into history and delete the video that brought forth the infestation. So far I’ve found it does stop showing you if you remove what caused it from history.
- spaniard89277 4y agoIt's not only recommendations that is broken. YT has a very sluggish frontend (I have to suffer it particularly in my x260 laptop), and for us multi-lingual people they translate stuff and you can't know in the search results which video is in which language. I don't like YT quite honestly, and it's been a while. I understand it's a business but you don't have to provide such bad experience to make money. For searching videos I'm more and more relying external search because with YT I just get suggested crap, like with google. I'm beyond tired with this.
- cruano 4y ago> they translate stuff and you can't know in the search results which video is in which language. I think offering alternative titles for each language is on the creators, not youtube themselves
- spaniard89277 4y agoCool, I'd like to disable that, but I can't. It makes particularly difficult to find local stuff. This was the last drop for me, when I started to use external search.
- guywithahat 4y agoAnother good option is to switch to Odysee and be done with youtube
- FunnyBadger 4y agoWho decides what is uninteresting?