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I recognize that it could be a helpful and rigorous experience in sales, but most car people I've gone to across dealerships have tried to guilt trip and lie to

I recognize that it could be a helpful and rigorous experience in sales, but most car people I've gone to across dealerships have tried to guilt trip and lie to me to get me to spend more money than I have. As a student paying full in cash, I was pushed ruthlessly despite firmly saying no, and ultimately I got my car somewhere else. It reminds me how Best Buy used to have horrible customer experience, it was all commission-based, and you would be hounded when first walking in the store. Then Apple came along with the model of "don't force someone to do anything, and the right product for them might not be in the store, and that's fine". (Notably, Best Buy seems to have gotten better since.)

phpthrowaway99 4y ago
I was about top 1% in the country. So buying from me would be a different experience. Maybe you landed on someone in the bottom 50%, at a bad dealership too. The owner of our dealership was a Cal grad, the sales manager was a Jewish accounting major, I had an engineering degree, my favorite coworker completed medschool but couldn't pass the MCATS, and everyone else had a degree too. When I went to work for a Penske dealership (a public company), corporate was in town one day and had a meeting with me to ask how the owner at my previous dealership did things. So maybe it wasn't your typical car dealership.
- Khoth 4y ago
  Different experience how? > I've heard excuses, stalls, lies, promises and objections over 10,000 times. Sounds like you were also trying to guilt trip people who then struggled to find a socially acceptable way to disengage
- m-ee 4y ago
  The MCAT is for admission into med school. How did they complete it without passing?
  - PNWChris 4y ago
    Likely they mean one of the step exams. Med school and residency are a brutal game - the exams don’t stop till you pass the boards at or around the time you become an attending!
    - phpthrowaway99 4y ago
      I appreciate that you understood exactly what I meant, giving a medschool outsider some benefit of the doubt. Yes it was one of the board exams he couldn't pass. Others instantly assumed I was lying or exaggerating, as if I need some street cred on an anonymous 1 week old throwaway account.
      - fuckstick 4y ago
        This is getting more irrelevant to the thread, but it’s highly unlikely “inability” to pass a step exam was the reason for exiting medicine. The first pass rate for US MDs is 95-97%. American medical school is designed to make it highly unlikely you will not pass those tests. You could also retake it up to 5 times. The real issue is that failing a step exam or passing with a lower score (once passed you can never retake) nearly completely eliminates you from certain specialities - especially the more lucrative surgical subspecialties. Some people may simply decide to give up at that point. It’s much more likely burnout or an overall “fuck this” with the training, or other red flag, eg cheating or egregious behavioral problem then not passing a single exam. Because although there are a ton of exams after entering medical school none are as high stakes as the MCAT for continuing to be a doctor.
        caminante 4y ago
        >This is getting more irrelevant to the thread Maybe not the thread, but certainly relevant to the top commenter's story, which sounds really embellished. "Failing the MCAT" (?) -> "Failing boards as dropout reason" (?) ... And top commenter is all over the thread, trying to win people back after folks point out these oddities. Seems like a lot of effort. Either top commenter is the car sales messiah or embellishing (along with his "alleged" med school dropout colleague). Both are possible, but one is more likely.
  - Scoundreller 4y ago
    I think in another post they said they were premed, so maybe they completed that program but couldn’t get a high enough score on the standardized test that most schools require.
  - phpthrowaway99 4y ago
    I meant some type of board exam, not mcat. Got the words mixed up.
- batch12 4y ago
  > the sales manager was a Jewish accounting major One of these things seems out of place when listing qualifications
  - CAPSLOCKSSTUCK 4y ago
    I'm glad I'm not the only one who found it odd.
    - caminante 4y ago
      GGP is screaming #quityourbullshit. e.g., How do you fail an MCAT? You get a score. The rest sounds like partial truth + embellishment.
      - karthikk 4y ago
        He is a salesman, its part of the job.
      - phpthrowaway99 4y ago
        I mistook boards, for mcat. He obviously had a decent mcat since he got into a medical school.
    - copperx 4y ago
      Let's hope a moderator steps in.
      - phpthrowaway99 4y ago
        Do we really need to moderate the fact that while listing proof of how smart and good my team was, I used Jewish accountant as a descriptor? (That I only said because he constantly joked about this himself and it just stuck with me). It was included to accent a list of positives about the groups intelligence. If I had said we had a Polish mathematician, would that also need moderation? Or if describing how service oriented we were, I included an ex Catholic nun?
    - 4y ago

phpthrowaway99 4y ago

I was about top 1% in the country. So buying from me would be a different experience. Maybe you landed on someone in the bottom 50%, at a bad dealership too. The owner of our dealership was a Cal grad, the sales manager was a Jewish accounting major, I had an engineering degree, my favorite coworker completed medschool but couldn't pass the MCATS, and everyone else had a degree too. When I went to work for a Penske dealership (a public company), corporate was in town one day and had a meeting with me to ask how the owner at my previous dealership did things. So maybe it wasn't your typical car dealership.

Khoth 4y ago
Different experience how? > I've heard excuses, stalls, lies, promises and objections over 10,000 times. Sounds like you were also trying to guilt trip people who then struggled to find a socially acceptable way to disengage
m-ee 4y ago
The MCAT is for admission into med school. How did they complete it without passing?
- PNWChris 4y ago
  Likely they mean one of the step exams. Med school and residency are a brutal game - the exams don’t stop till you pass the boards at or around the time you become an attending!
  - phpthrowaway99 4y ago
    I appreciate that you understood exactly what I meant, giving a medschool outsider some benefit of the doubt. Yes it was one of the board exams he couldn't pass. Others instantly assumed I was lying or exaggerating, as if I need some street cred on an anonymous 1 week old throwaway account.
    - fuckstick 4y ago
      This is getting more irrelevant to the thread, but it’s highly unlikely “inability” to pass a step exam was the reason for exiting medicine. The first pass rate for US MDs is 95-97%. American medical school is designed to make it highly unlikely you will not pass those tests. You could also retake it up to 5 times. The real issue is that failing a step exam or passing with a lower score (once passed you can never retake) nearly completely eliminates you from certain specialities - especially the more lucrative surgical subspecialties. Some people may simply decide to give up at that point. It’s much more likely burnout or an overall “fuck this” with the training, or other red flag, eg cheating or egregious behavioral problem then not passing a single exam. Because although there are a ton of exams after entering medical school none are as high stakes as the MCAT for continuing to be a doctor.
      - caminante 4y ago
        >This is getting more irrelevant to the thread Maybe not the thread, but certainly relevant to the top commenter's story, which sounds really embellished. "Failing the MCAT" (?) -> "Failing boards as dropout reason" (?) ... And top commenter is all over the thread, trying to win people back after folks point out these oddities. Seems like a lot of effort. Either top commenter is the car sales messiah or embellishing (along with his "alleged" med school dropout colleague). Both are possible, but one is more likely.
- Scoundreller 4y ago
  I think in another post they said they were premed, so maybe they completed that program but couldn’t get a high enough score on the standardized test that most schools require.
- phpthrowaway99 4y ago
  I meant some type of board exam, not mcat. Got the words mixed up.
batch12 4y ago
> the sales manager was a Jewish accounting major One of these things seems out of place when listing qualifications
- CAPSLOCKSSTUCK 4y ago
  I'm glad I'm not the only one who found it odd.
  - caminante 4y ago
    GGP is screaming #quityourbullshit. e.g., How do you fail an MCAT? You get a score. The rest sounds like partial truth + embellishment.
    - karthikk 4y ago
      He is a salesman, its part of the job.
    - phpthrowaway99 4y ago
      I mistook boards, for mcat. He obviously had a decent mcat since he got into a medical school.
  - copperx 4y ago
    Let's hope a moderator steps in.
    - phpthrowaway99 4y ago
      Do we really need to moderate the fact that while listing proof of how smart and good my team was, I used Jewish accountant as a descriptor? (That I only said because he constantly joked about this himself and it just stuck with me). It was included to accent a list of positives about the groups intelligence. If I had said we had a Polish mathematician, would that also need moderation? Or if describing how service oriented we were, I included an ex Catholic nun?
  - 4y ago