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Fyi communication is not needed to cheat. Modern chess engines capable of high level play and assistance can be extremely small and concealable.
by ninepoints 4y ago
Fyi communication is not needed to cheat. Modern chess engines capable of high level play and assistance can be extremely small and concealable.
- mabbo 4y agoYeah, we'll need them to don tight spandex clothing and walk through a sensitive metal detector on the way to their chairs.
- mikkergp 4y agoBend over and cough?
- anonu 4y agoNot to spread rumors or anything, but this has gone over the top: > A chess grandmaster has become the victim of an online rumor that he used a sex toy to defeat the world champion. https://www.insider.com/chess-feud-hans-niemann-magnus-carlsen-anal-beads-rumor-explained-2022-9 https://www.insider.com/chess-feud-hans-niemann-magnus-carls...
- ncmncm 4y agoSatire is dead.
- thatguy0900 4y agoIt was satire. It was originally suggested on a streamers chat as a joke that the streamer laughed at. Noone took it seriously
- onychomys 4y agoJust make them walk through a really big electromagnet and hope that neither has a pacemaker.
- hacym 4y agoThey use metal detectors on them already.
- checkyoursudo 4y agoSurely competitive nude chess is a thing?
- Victerius 4y agoThere still needs to be a way for the cheater to communicate input about the moves in the game to the Arduino. The players should be required to strip down to their underwear and wear elegant tournament-provided kimonos and slippers.
- googlryas 4y agoCommunication could be done entirely invisibly from an outsiders perspective. For example, embedded electrodes sensing when one clenched their jaw muscles. My brother and I did this magic trick and convinced our grade school we had ESP... the mark tells brother a secret number. I put my hands on brothers head and without communicating I tell what the secret number was. It was just the number of times he clenched his jaw.
- lairv 4y agoPut them in a room without window or any exterior interactions, 4 cameras in each corner, wifi/radio signal jammer, 10 minutes delay with livestream, I would honestly pay respect to Hans if he can still cheat in those conditions
- googlryas 4y agoIs wifi even necessary? Could one embed a chip which does chess inference somewhere in one's body?
- awb 4y agoAt GM levels the matches are typically broadcast live and/or have an audience, so it would only require an observer to input the moves.
- chongli 4y agoThis can be counteracted by broadcasting with a delay, something I believe they already do. It may be the case that the delay needs to be increased.
- perihelions 4y agoHow many milliwatts would you need to run Stockfish at ~2900 strength under classical time controls, and what's the smallest extant gadget in that power range? (I'm assuming the I/O power would be negligible compared to compute, since it'd run at very low duty cycle).
- sitkack 4y agoWe all know this is embedded in his glass eye. 500Gflops/watt gets you pretty far on battery power.
- irrational 4y agoWait, does he really have a glass eye?!
- grumple 4y agoI saw this recently, so not only is it possible, but it's fairly simple: https://incoherency.co.uk/blog/stories/sockfish.html https://incoherency.co.uk/blog/stories/sockfish.html
- zimpenfish 4y agoI'm pretty sure they'd notice the large box and powerbank in your pockets on the way in if you tried that.
- grumple 4y agoFitting both into your shoes would be easy... which I actually know from experience, having put batteries into shoes for other purposes.
- permo-w 4y agoit's absolutely doable, especially for someone with the commitment of a chess grandmaster, but the main here issue wouldn't be having the processing power to calculate the moves, it'd be the input bandwidth to update the computer with the moves. yes a cheater could have - for example - a subdermal implant that vibrates to update them with a killer mid-game line to go down, but, without the internet, it would be a huge uphill struggle to update the board with the moves. certainly not impossible, especially if you were very dedicated, but very, very hard to get right, especially without getting caught under such scrutinous circumstances
- mrguyorama 4y agoThe set up of the board at the start is static, so even a very naive approach of "piece at square (nibble, nibble) moves to square (nibble, nibble)" only requires two bytes per turn. I would expect there to be IMMENSELY better ways to encode this state update if I wasn't a dunce, and the people making cheating hardware are very good at that style of compression.
- squeaky-clean 4y ago> piece at square (nibble, nibble) moves to square (nibble, nibble) Chess notation is very compact, you don't even need to say where the starting piece was in most cases because it's implied by the move. If you have 2 rooks on A1 and H1, and the move says rh4, only one of your rooks can legally make that move. However if the move was rc1, both rooks could make that move so you do need to disambiguate.
- permo-w 4y agopresuming that the cheater communicates with the system through some form of physical pressure, they could probably use a modified Morse code re-optimised for the frequency of letters in chess notation. according to wikipedia[1] this already exists and was developed for telegraph and radio transmission of chess games, although I have no idea how well optimised it is [1] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chess_notation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chess_notation
- bluecalm 4y agoIn tournaments that have broadcast without delay you don't even need a computer. You can have a script reading the game and calculating at home. You just need to receive signals which is a way easier task. As you don't need to do input nor the actual computation.