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For as inclusive as that mission is, it seems weird to me how limited in certain areas unicode is. For instance, people use peach emoji since there isn't one fo

For as inclusive as that mission is, it seems weird to me how limited in certain areas unicode is. For instance, people use peach emoji since there isn't one for butt, eggplant since there's no penis, etc. This doesn't contradict the stated goal exactly, but it seems against the spirit of it at least.

yakireev 4y ago
One could argue that emoji should have never been added to Unicode in the first place. Peaches and butts are images, pictures, illustrations, whatever - but they are not characters. There's no writing system which has a colored drawing of a peach as a character.
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- eternityforest 4y ago
  But that doesn't change the fact that most people use them snd like them, and there is not much technical disruption. They just chose practicality over purity.
  - yakireev 4y ago
    Most people (me included) like funny cat videos and send funny cat videos. Shall we include some to Unicode? I mean, this ship has long sailed, but that was a mistake nevertheless. Not everything has to be a unicode character.
    - kadoban 4y ago
      If there were specific funny cat videos that were culturally relevent, maybe. For example I could see there being an emoji for keyboard cat.
    - eternityforest 4y ago
      That wouldn't be practical. It would make fonts too big, and videos aren't a thing that goes inline in text. However, I could totally see some kind of open source GIF library of a few hundred meme videos and pictures, to standardize the "Reply with a GIF" thing in some P2P chat ecosystem, and maybe it could have a new URL scheme for referring to OpenMemes images.
  - bawolff 4y ago
    Not only that - people use them in textual communication the way letters traditionally are used. There is probably a lot better argument for emoiji than a lot of other things in unicode (but it is a slippery slope)
- bzxcvbn 4y ago
  Yes there is. We're using it right now. Even linguists are studying the use of emoji today.
- PeterisP 4y ago
  Yes there is - a widely used character set (when Unicode talks about "writing systems" it explicitly includes all the computer character sets used in practice pre-unicode) used by japanese 'featurephones' had emoji characters, so in order to be able to include that character set in unicode, unicode had to add emoji.
- squeaky-clean 4y ago
  They're sort of neither. The peach emoji will render differently on iOS, Android, Windows. And I'm sure emoji-replacement packs are possible on Windows and Android (even though it's also guaranteed to be a virus). So a peach emoji is not the same thing as the iOS peach-emoji-image. Similar to how changing my font doesn't change the actual characters. I don't think including emojis was a great idea, but now that it's happened and people everywhere use them, emoji have become characters. I agree with your point, but it's already happened and so now there's not really any going back.
- hoseja 4y ago
  You can have entire sentences constructed out of emoji.
vcxy 4y ago
vcxy 4y ago
I tried to reply with just a unicode penis but that got flagged immediately, so I'll be more substantial and leave out the actual penis. It appears in Egyptian hieroglyphs, so actually there is a penis included in unicode.
- kadoban 4y ago
  That's true, good call. I feel like there should be one without the context of Egyptian hieroglphys though, though I'm not exactly sure how that kind of thing works in unicode.
pbhjpbhj 4y ago
I thought peach was a vulva. What's the emoji for a vulva then? Don't tell me Presidents of the United States' song "Peaches" was about butts!? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peaches_(The_Presidents_of_the_United_States_of_America_song) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peaches_(The_Presidents_of_the...
- kadoban 4y ago
  I'm not sure if there is one. Or maybe it's used for both, depending on context/community? The song was definitely a vaginal reference as far as I ever knew.
GekkePrutser 4y ago
> For instance, people use peach emoji since there isn't one for butt, eggplant since there's no penis, etc. Personally I think there should be, actually. There's all these other body parts but these are left out. Emoji is almost becoming a language and the good thing is that everyone can understand them, regardless of language. For example I could imagine these could be very useful in an international medical setting. Or for sexting, obviously, we can pretend that's not a thing but that's a bit too Victorian for me. Of course they're not appropriate in some settings but so are many words.
Akronymus 4y ago
I REALLY don't like that emojis are beholden to companies. For example, when the emoji for a gun was changed from a pistol to a squirtgun on many platforms, it changed the meaning of its use by a lot. You could argue that it is a good thing, but I see it as a pretty bad direction to go into.

yakireev 4y ago

One could argue that emoji should have never been added to Unicode in the first place. Peaches and butts are images, pictures, illustrations, whatever - but they are not characters. There's no writing system which has a colored drawing of a peach as a character.

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eternityforest 4y ago
But that doesn't change the fact that most people use them snd like them, and there is not much technical disruption. They just chose practicality over purity.
- yakireev 4y ago
  Most people (me included) like funny cat videos and send funny cat videos. Shall we include some to Unicode? I mean, this ship has long sailed, but that was a mistake nevertheless. Not everything has to be a unicode character.
  - kadoban 4y ago
    If there were specific funny cat videos that were culturally relevent, maybe. For example I could see there being an emoji for keyboard cat.
  - eternityforest 4y ago
    That wouldn't be practical. It would make fonts too big, and videos aren't a thing that goes inline in text. However, I could totally see some kind of open source GIF library of a few hundred meme videos and pictures, to standardize the "Reply with a GIF" thing in some P2P chat ecosystem, and maybe it could have a new URL scheme for referring to OpenMemes images.
- bawolff 4y ago
  Not only that - people use them in textual communication the way letters traditionally are used. There is probably a lot better argument for emoiji than a lot of other things in unicode (but it is a slippery slope)
bzxcvbn 4y ago
Yes there is. We're using it right now. Even linguists are studying the use of emoji today.
PeterisP 4y ago
Yes there is - a widely used character set (when Unicode talks about "writing systems" it explicitly includes all the computer character sets used in practice pre-unicode) used by japanese 'featurephones' had emoji characters, so in order to be able to include that character set in unicode, unicode had to add emoji.
squeaky-clean 4y ago
They're sort of neither. The peach emoji will render differently on iOS, Android, Windows. And I'm sure emoji-replacement packs are possible on Windows and Android (even though it's also guaranteed to be a virus). So a peach emoji is not the same thing as the iOS peach-emoji-image. Similar to how changing my font doesn't change the actual characters. I don't think including emojis was a great idea, but now that it's happened and people everywhere use them, emoji have become characters. I agree with your point, but it's already happened and so now there's not really any going back.
hoseja 4y ago
You can have entire sentences constructed out of emoji.

vcxy 4y ago

I tried to reply with just a unicode penis but that got flagged immediately, so I'll be more substantial and leave out the actual penis. It appears in Egyptian hieroglyphs, so actually there is a penis included in unicode.

kadoban 4y ago
That's true, good call. I feel like there should be one without the context of Egyptian hieroglphys though, though I'm not exactly sure how that kind of thing works in unicode.

pbhjpbhj 4y ago

I thought peach was a vulva. What's the emoji for a vulva then? Don't tell me Presidents of the United States' song "Peaches" was about butts!? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peaches_(The_Presidents_of_the_United_States_of_America_song) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peaches_(The_Presidents_of_the...

kadoban 4y ago
I'm not sure if there is one. Or maybe it's used for both, depending on context/community? The song was definitely a vaginal reference as far as I ever knew.

GekkePrutser 4y ago

> For instance, people use peach emoji since there isn't one for butt, eggplant since there's no penis, etc. Personally I think there should be, actually. There's all these other body parts but these are left out. Emoji is almost becoming a language and the good thing is that everyone can understand them, regardless of language. For example I could imagine these could be very useful in an international medical setting. Or for sexting, obviously, we can pretend that's not a thing but that's a bit too Victorian for me. Of course they're not appropriate in some settings but so are many words.

Akronymus 4y ago

I REALLY don't like that emojis are beholden to companies. For example, when the emoji for a gun was changed from a pistol to a squirtgun on many platforms, it changed the meaning of its use by a lot. You could argue that it is a good thing, but I see it as a pretty bad direction to go into.