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This may not sound bad, but it's the equivalent of 200 kWh per year and the set is only supposed to draw 0.5-1W from the specifications This would cost more th
by eisa01 4y ago
This may not sound bad, but it's the equivalent of 200 kWh per year and the set is only supposed to draw 0.5-1W from the specifications
This would cost more than 50 EUR per year at current prices, and is sizeable compared to the average German citizens consumption of 1500 kWh electricity
Let's just say this is not ideal given the current energy shortage in Europe...
- Someone 4y agoIt also is illegal in the EU for new devices. https://ec.europa.eu/info/energy-climate-change-environment/standards-tools-and-labels/products-labelling-rules-and-requirements/energy-label-and-ecodesign/energy-efficient-products/mode-standby-and-networked-standby_en https://ec.europa.eu/info/energy-climate-change-environment/...: “Network-connected standby devices Modern appliances are increasingly connected to the internet during standby mode, consuming higher amounts of energy. This includes networked televisions and decoders, printers, game consoles and modems. - Specific requirements for network-connected standby devices were introduced in 2013. - Since January 2017 networked standby devices must not consume more than 3 to 12 Watts depending on the product. This compares to 20 to 80 Watts previously. This decrease is expected to save an additional 36-38 TWh.” I think this TV is from 2014, so it would have to comply with the older regulations, which I think are https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?uri=celex%3A32013R0801 https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?uri=celex%3A..., but that doesn’t mention anything close to 80W. It does mention 6W and 12W limits, but only starting at January 2015. ⇒ it seems this device doesn’t break that regulation.
- rozab 4y agoCould there be some consequence for misrepresenting the standby consumption?
- sidewndr46 4y agoThere were devices that consumed 80 watts in standby. I have a cabinet full of equipment including my cable modem, a computer (server, no monitor) with 8 mechanical hard drives. The idle current is 76 watts or so. How could something be so high?
- yjftsjthsd-h 4y agoIt's easy to burn energy when nobody's paying it any attention. Mostly by not really idling, I suspect
- londons_explore 4y agoAudio amplifiers, especially old ones, can easily draw 100 watts when on 'standby' - ie. the amplifier is turned on but playing no sound.
- sidewndr46 4y agoIf it is a class A amplifier, I think that would make sense. But how many people have huge class A amplifiers for their home audio?
- londons_explore 4y agoOld ones... Everything from the 60's, 70's, 80's and 90's... Remember in europe we have a lot more old stuff - especially old houses that are family owned for 100+ years tend not to have things replaced often unless they're unrepairable. Even modern class D amps can be 30+ watts when not playing anything tho.
- eternityforest 4y agoThat's interesting, I've never thought of people with old houses correlating with old tech.
- thulle 4y ago> If it is a class A amplifier, I think that would make sense. The much more standard class AB still uses 25% with no output, 100 W idle would be a stereo 200 W amplifier. Or a 5x 80 W surround amplifier.
- type0 4y ago> 'standby' - ie. the amplifier is turned on but playing no sound. this isn't standby and is a good way for your vintage amp to become defective
- eisa01 4y agoThe TV came on market in 2015 AFAIK, the C denotes the 2015 model year
- Scoundreller 4y agoIf it’s like cars, they started production and sales 3/4 through 2014
- eisa01 4y agoDon’t think so, the thread started in April 2015 :)
- aequitas 4y agoI have a Sony android tv and with almost every setting (eg. brightness, motion blurr processing, etc) I change I get a warning it might “increase power consumption”. So it might just be it is testen under the bare minimum functionality. But as soon as you enable any of the advertised features it exceeds that. For the record mine mostly has 1-2W standby consumption. With some spikes to 10 or 20W for a few seconds sometimes. And once in a while it never enters deep sleep and gets stuck on 20W. Enabling HomeKit (Apple TV) on standby is a sure-fire way to have it standby on 20W permanently. I can’t disable it after unless with a factory reset. I’ve not touched Chromecast settings at all so can’t say if it has the same effect.
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- MandieD 4y agoMore than 50 EUR per year at the prices a lot of us contracted for before the war for 2022, to make things clearer.
- maccard 4y agoRight. I'm in Scotland and its closer to £175/year than €50
- MandieD 4y agoWow, that’s worse than anything I’ve heard about around here (northern Bavaria). Power strips with switches are a sound economy move, in either situation.
- maccard 4y agoYeah, energy costs are just shy of 4x what they were for us last summer. All the sockets in our house have switches on the wall to isolate them. The real trick is just knowing which ones are worth turning off!
- czottmann 4y agoNot at the current prices for new customers. I'm currently paying 50,07€ct/kWh here in northern Germany. 25W * 8760h * 0,5€ = ~109€ per year. The price hurts, yes, but the waste of power is _criminal_.
- Semaphor 4y agoHah, wanted to say, nice current prices, can I have those? But you beat me, 0.41€, also Northern Germany.
- yourusername 4y agoI hope you realize both of your prices are incredibly cheap. New contracts in the Netherlands are up to €0.88 per kWh (edit: seems i underestimated, 0.88 is the average, the most expensive is €1.14 per kWh now.)
- benhurmarcel 4y agoI wouldn't count the hours during winter though. It's heating, which you'd pay anyway.
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- iggldiggl 4y agoAt least with the electricity prices in Germany (not referring to the current price level, but with reference to the last decades), a dedicated source of heat (oil, gas, pellets, heat pump, district heating, …) is normally more cost-efficient than simple resistive heating. So while it's true that that standby consumption is at least good for something in winter, a lower standby consumption and in turn turning up the central heating a little more would normally still be the better choice.
- phpthrowaway99 4y agoVery few people heat their homes with electricity. It's the most expensive energy source. So while the heat is atleast useful in the winter, most people would prefer to take the TV idle spend and apply that to a much cheaper heat source.
- explaingarlic 4y agoThis would cost more than 50 EUR per year Try: €200 at current forecasts :/
- iso1631 4y agoDoesn't matter in the UK, there's no incentive to turn off the set to save yourself £20 a month, because the taxpayer will subsidise your excess electric use thanks to the latest idiotic socialist idea to simply get future generations to pay for today's excess use.
- explaingarlic 4y agoBailouts are only socialist when they benefit the average person, seemingly :P
- iso1631 4y agoThese bailouts give money directly to energy producers, taken from future workers. A far better solution is to give the money directly to the average person and let them choose what to spend it on.
- explaingarlic 4y agoWhat? Do you think these price increases are strictly on the retail side?
- iso1631 4y agoProviding help to commercial consumers is essential, look at the energy usage last year and base it on that. However just paying the suppliers directly gives no incentive to invest in increasing energy efficiency - if I'm paying 70p a unit and can spend £1000 to save 3000 units it makes sense. If the government is capping it at 20p a unit then why would I bother paying to increase the efficiency? That means more needless energy use
- Saris 4y agoEspecially since an android phone can idle for days on about 10Wh of battery, or something like 0.2W.
- xeromal 4y ago200 kWh can run my tesla for about 1000KM just to give people a picture of the waste.
- Markoff 4y ago> This may not sound bad, but it's the equivalent of 200 kWh per year and the set is only supposed to draw 0.5-1W from the specifications Assumming you never use TV (if I calculated correctly it's 219kWh for 24/7/365 standby 25W waste). Many people have switched on TV for 3-10 hours per day, heck I don't watch that much TV and I have it switched from 8-11 PM plus my kids around one hour a day. I'm sure my retired mother would easily do 8-10 hours per day. Also I mean if you are bothered with it just unplug TV or switch off the socket. My whole household yearly consumption including AC (26C) is ~1200 kWh.