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Is this due to global warming?
by hammock 4y ago
Is this due to global warming?
- labster 4y agoPossibly, but in isolation it’s impossible to tell. Weather is a series of events; climate is a statistical phenomenon. But basically yes, all bad and exceptional weather is caused by climate change, at least in terms of moral equivalence. Many people somewhere is suffering from climate change, and you should pretend that it’s you, because you want to have the mindset that it has hurt people most everywhere.
- bequanna 4y agoSetting aside how silly it is to think about weather in this way, you’re also just plain wrong. Despite the doom and gloom marketing from those seeking to put their hand in your wallet, most people will definitely NOT be negatively impacted by climate change.
- irrational 4y agoMost people won’t be negatively affected? How do you justify that? How many people in the USA southwest are affected by the mega drought? How many people in China are affected by their mega drought? How many people in Europe are affected by the heat waves? How many people on islands and coastal areas are affected by sea levels rising? How many peoples are affected by glaciers melting and less snowpacks (such as villages in the Himalayas)?
- bequanna 4y agoPlenty of questions there. Do you have any of the answers? Ah, right. This problem is so terrible and sneaky that we (quite conveniently) can't even measure its effect! Just to be safe, we should just assume everything bad is caused by this spectre. Luckily, some very smart people who are not at all self-interested have told us that if we make great sacrifices and spend enough money that will help us avoid this impossible to measure problem.
- russelg 4y agoHow is anything the poster stated not measurable? We can measure the rise of ocean levels, the rise of global temperature, the number of people on said coasts etc... Take off your tinfoil hat for a quick second.
- junofan 4y agoIt makes for great agitprop: play as cardboard characters of perfect virtue or absolute evil.
- kortilla 4y ago> How many people in the USA southwest are affected by the mega drought? This is a bad example because the area has gone through similar mega droughts over the last 5000+ years. The Colorado river compact was setup after an unusually wet period and now that the flow has returned to normal they are paying the price.
- mokus 4y agoI’ve been in car crashes before but that doesn’t mean I’m ok with increasing their frequency and severity.
- labster 4y ago
- blowski 4y agoI get the strong passions in this conversation, but I don't think name-calling helps anyone.
- labster 4y agoIt’s not going to convince anyone, I know. It’s just I get tired of dealing with small brain nonsense like this. Wind and solar are cheaper power, and from friends looking for tenure I know that any “doing it for funding” is imaginary. If they haven’t been convinced by now, no logical argument could ever possibly convince them. I could use an argument in pure mathematics, and they would say there is no evidence for any of my axioms. They keep asking for evidence and debate, but they are simply lying. I’m just returning the same level of respect.
- wumpus 4y agoYou have a choice: 1) Say "you're so dumb" and everyone flags you, so you have little impact on the conversation 2) Don't say "you're so dumb", and enough people will vouch for you that your comments are visible
- bequanna 4y agoIf strong emotions were facts, I suppose you'd win this argument. Let's see what you think in ~10 years when the newest, focus-group tested climate crisis de jour is being pushed after "climate change" is quietly disproven and stops being sexy.
- labster 4y agoI studied meteorology in university, and I’ve read a lot of papers in climatology and adjacent fields. Please come back and talk to me once you understand atmospheric radiation, the Madden-Julian Oscillation, ENSO, the Paleocene-Eocene Thermal Maximum, how isotopes can serve as proxy data, general circulation models and how they are modified for climate, economic models of ecosystem services, and how tropical storms cause economic damage. I’ll wait.
- otikik 4y agoWhen Newton saw that apple fall from the tree, his first thought was: - I just found a way put my hand in bequanna’s wallet!
- marcosdumay 4y agoYou mean things happening on the same frequency that they always happened?
- johnchristopher 4y agos/y\ always/last\ three\ times\ it\
- blowski 4y agoMight be clearer if you just write in English.
- lucb1e 4y agoI mean it's quite clear, but yeah a direct question would be easier for everyone to understand at a glance
- thrown_22 4y agos/\/\/\//\\\\\\g
- quickthrower2 4y agoAnd to keep it snarky there is “ftfy”
- marcosdumay 4y agoEver since we started keeping track of it.
- renewiltord 4y agoDon't have to escape the slashes, non?
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- colechristensen 4y agoThese la nina/el nino cycles seem to be long period climate patterns which already existed, because they’re measured in decades and we don’t have records for all that long n is very small and quite hard to determine if there are anthropogenic effects to them. Things people forget with climate is that there are indeed long cyclical patterns not all of which are well understood which have significant weather effects. You can’t just yell global warming every time there is an apparent change or bad weather. If you are interested in truth and not just a political narrative you have to be curious, open, and ready to acknowledge not everything is going to fit the popular doom stories.
- jliptzin 4y agoI agree with you but in a situation like this it’s a lot better to overreact than to underreact. If we do more than we need to, we get cheap solar panels, long lasting batteries, and maybe a lot of time and money wasted on ideas that didn’t work out. If we do less than we have to, we get a possibly irreversible feedback loop of global warming that leads to the collapse of most habitats (including ours) on this planet.
- colechristensen 4y agoIt’s not though. There are a large volume of people who question the validity of climate change at all, exaggerating only causes more doubt and recruits for the opposition. The doom scenario of “irreversible collapse” is also quite unlikely but some people really like scary stories. And to be blunt any practical imaginable progress is not going to be a very big change, if it’s going to happen the damage is already likely done.
- jliptzin 4y agoYou said yourself it’s not well understood, don’t you think it’s wise to err on the side of caution? What’s the downside of getting off fossil fuels anyway, besides some people needing to switch careers from coal mining to solar panel installation, for example?
- kortilla 4y agoYes, everything that happens now is because of it.
- scaramanga 4y agoNot likely, but it does lead to cooler global temperatures which provides a temporary respite from global warming. The last couple of years would have been way hotter if we were not experiencing la niña conditions.
- kergonath 4y ago> Not likely, but it does lead to cooler global temperatures which provides a temporary respite from global warming. Indeed. The Niña episodes after 1998 were a big part of the denialists’ talking points about the end of global warming for the next decade. > The last couple of years would have been way hotter if we were not experiencing la niña conditions. Considering how 2022 is going, this is actually frightening because it means that the next couple of years are likely to be way worse.
- Earendil137 4y ago> Is this due to global warming? Global warming was the old narrative... You mean "climate change".