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> discovered it had gone subscription-only as well, meaning my entire photo library would now be trapped on my old laptop unless I paid a monthly fee forever.

by patcon 4y ago

> discovered it had gone subscription-only as well, meaning my entire photo library would now be trapped on my old laptop unless I paid a monthly fee forever. I empathize, but isn't all this the reason they would fork out so much for figma? I mean, people hated them for going subscription with the tools that used to be desktop, but they absolutely adore figma that has never been anything but subscription. It's confusing psychology at play here...

c0mptonFP 4y ago
> but they absolutely adore figma that has never been anything but subscription. Doesn't Figma have a free tier? That changes everything.
- ifaxmycodetok8s 4y ago
  I use figma for personal projects and I've never forked out a dime.
- killerdhmo 4y ago
  So do many adobe products, including XD; their Figma competitor
  - supertofu 4y ago
    XD was actually their Sketch competitor. What makes Figma remarkable is the ability to use it on the web. I wonder if Adobe will keep this aspect.
    - killerdhmo 4y ago
      Sketch... competes with Figma. They're UI/UX tools. What makes Figma great was their collaboration first element, which they will be keeping. Adobe was going down the web path as well https://blog.adobe.com/en/publish/2021/10/26/creative-cloud-canvas-spaces-ps-ai-in-browser https://blog.adobe.com/en/publish/2021/10/26/creative-cloud-...
- ethbr0 4y ago
  > free tier? That changes everything. Does it? To me, that just says "Locking my data in a platform that can suddenly decide to charge me for functionality."
  - c0mptonFP 4y ago
    Yup, better get rid of your GitHub account then as well
    - bsder 4y ago
      You said this sarcastically, but it is really good advice. Note that Microsoft now has two controls on your digital identity. Login with Office365 and Login with Github. If they pull a Google and disconnect you, you're in a world of hurt if you don't have otherwise. Tech folks should have never allowed GitHub to become the monopoly it did.
anigbrowl 4y ago
has never been anything but subscription Because that's not the same as a bait-and-switch, and because they provided value to subscribers in the form of continuous innovation.
- deleted 4y ago
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mortenjorck 4y ago
> people hated them for going subscription with the tools that used to be desktop, but they absolutely adore figma that has never been anything but subscription I think a big part of it is exactly that, that Figma's value proposition as a subscription was always clear from the beginning, that it's not just a design tool but a real-time, collaborative design environment. Sketch was always the better choice for solo, side-project work, because it was a one-off purchase with no need for a cloud component (its more recent direction to try to become a cloud-first service has unfortunately only served to highlight its shortcomings versus Figma). Creative Suite never had a value proposition as a subscription apart from becoming a predictable cost center for businesses. Tacking on an inferior version of Dropbox, making the whole suite subscription-only, and calling it Creative Cloud did a pretty decent job of alienating those who didn't fall into that "predictable cost center" market.
altacc 4y ago
A lot of amateur photographers used Lightroom and were willing to pay a one off purchase price whereas a monthly cost for something you might hardly use in a month is too expensive. Figma has a high percentage of users who use it regularly as part of their paying jobs. It also has online features, which you expect to pay continuously for. Lightroom Classic had no online features. I still use Lightroom 6, the last standalone version, so I haven’t found anything else with such good combination of library organisation & editing. But no way I’ll ever pay a monthly subscription for the current, slightly better version or the less capable cloud version.
- chillfox 4y ago
  I really regret updating. Now my photos are locked in Adobe’s cloud and I have to pay monthly to not lose them. I mostly did photography while travelling and Covid killed that the last two years, but I still had to pay Adobe.
  - matwood 4y ago
    You can export them and upload them to another cloud...
- matwood 4y ago
  I've yet to find anything that matches LR DAM. And the cloud version of LR does offer cool features if you use them. I just need my iPad now when traveling. Can proof and start edits right there, then continue on the computer. I pull my images onto the iPad and let the cloud sync and back them up. The only system that might be able to replace the workflow I currently use is Apple Photos, but it doesn't deal that well with RAWs and editing outside of the Photos.app.

by patcon 4y ago

c0mptonFP 4y ago

> but they absolutely adore figma that has never been anything but subscription. Doesn't Figma have a free tier? That changes everything.

ifaxmycodetok8s 4y ago
I use figma for personal projects and I've never forked out a dime.
killerdhmo 4y ago
So do many adobe products, including XD; their Figma competitor
- supertofu 4y ago
  XD was actually their Sketch competitor. What makes Figma remarkable is the ability to use it on the web. I wonder if Adobe will keep this aspect.
  - killerdhmo 4y ago
    Sketch... competes with Figma. They're UI/UX tools. What makes Figma great was their collaboration first element, which they will be keeping. Adobe was going down the web path as well https://blog.adobe.com/en/publish/2021/10/26/creative-cloud-canvas-spaces-ps-ai-in-browser https://blog.adobe.com/en/publish/2021/10/26/creative-cloud-...
ethbr0 4y ago
> free tier? That changes everything. Does it? To me, that just says "Locking my data in a platform that can suddenly decide to charge me for functionality."
- c0mptonFP 4y ago
  Yup, better get rid of your GitHub account then as well
  - bsder 4y ago
    You said this sarcastically, but it is really good advice. Note that Microsoft now has two controls on your digital identity. Login with Office365 and Login with Github. If they pull a Google and disconnect you, you're in a world of hurt if you don't have otherwise. Tech folks should have never allowed GitHub to become the monopoly it did.

anigbrowl 4y ago

has never been anything but subscription Because that's not the same as a bait-and-switch, and because they provided value to subscribers in the form of continuous innovation.

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mortenjorck 4y ago

> people hated them for going subscription with the tools that used to be desktop, but they absolutely adore figma that has never been anything but subscription I think a big part of it is exactly that, that Figma's value proposition as a subscription was always clear from the beginning, that it's not just a design tool but a real-time, collaborative design environment. Sketch was always the better choice for solo, side-project work, because it was a one-off purchase with no need for a cloud component (its more recent direction to try to become a cloud-first service has unfortunately only served to highlight its shortcomings versus Figma). Creative Suite never had a value proposition as a subscription apart from becoming a predictable cost center for businesses. Tacking on an inferior version of Dropbox, making the whole suite subscription-only, and calling it Creative Cloud did a pretty decent job of alienating those who didn't fall into that "predictable cost center" market.

altacc 4y ago

A lot of amateur photographers used Lightroom and were willing to pay a one off purchase price whereas a monthly cost for something you might hardly use in a month is too expensive. Figma has a high percentage of users who use it regularly as part of their paying jobs. It also has online features, which you expect to pay continuously for. Lightroom Classic had no online features. I still use Lightroom 6, the last standalone version, so I haven’t found anything else with such good combination of library organisation & editing. But no way I’ll ever pay a monthly subscription for the current, slightly better version or the less capable cloud version.

chillfox 4y ago
I really regret updating. Now my photos are locked in Adobe’s cloud and I have to pay monthly to not lose them. I mostly did photography while travelling and Covid killed that the last two years, but I still had to pay Adobe.
- matwood 4y ago
  You can export them and upload them to another cloud...
matwood 4y ago
I've yet to find anything that matches LR DAM. And the cloud version of LR does offer cool features if you use them. I just need my iPad now when traveling. Can proof and start edits right there, then continue on the computer. I pull my images onto the iPad and let the cloud sync and back them up. The only system that might be able to replace the workflow I currently use is Apple Photos, but it doesn't deal that well with RAWs and editing outside of the Photos.app.