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I hate that I will likely buy a larger car than my current Corolla just so I can feel slightly safer. I don't need it, I don't really want it, but given the adv

I hate that I will likely buy a larger car than my current Corolla just so I can feel slightly safer. I don't need it, I don't really want it, but given the adversarial nature of other drivers, I feel I would be putting myself unnecessarily at risk if I don't.

gnicholas 4y ago
Funny thing is you can do this by buying a new Corolla, which is probably much larger than your current one. Car models have gotten so much bigger over the last several decades; current Corollas are bigger than older Camrys, Civics are bigger than old Accords, etc.
- crooked-v 4y ago
  Even Mini Coopers are slightly larger every revision now.
  - nn3 4y ago
    One interesting question is how this trend will end. Possibilities: - Cars get larger and larger forever until cars get abolished for some other reason. - There's some natural limit on how large a car can get and all cars will eventually converge on that limit. - Something happens (what?) that changes the trend and suddenly they become smaller again.
    - throwaway0a5e 4y ago
      Another option is new smaller models get introduced and begin their own lifecycle of bloating. For example the Honda HRV is roughly the same size and price point as the CRV was originally.
      - biotinker 4y ago
        Exactly. It's the automobile equivalent of the Shepard Tone. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shepard_tone https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shepard_tone
    - koolba 4y ago
      > There's some natural limit on how large a car can get and all cars will eventually converge on that limit. When everyone is driving a Hummer H1, with a mounted .50 M60, we’ll finally solve road rage too.
      - tomschlick 4y ago
        First of all, dont threaten me with a good time. Second, the M60 fires a 7.62x51 round, not .50 BMG. You're thinking of the M2 or "Ma Duece".
        bombcar 4y ago
        I’ll mount a ma deuce on mah deuce (and a half) and the H1s can go the long way around.
        koolba 4y ago
        Ah you’re right! I was thinking of the M2. Though I’m sure the M60 could clear up dawdlers just as well.
    - runarberg 4y ago
      In Europe you need an advance license to drive a car that exceeds a certain tonnage (3,500 kg I believe; or at least that is my license). So for certain markets there is a hard limits. I don’t think a Corolla will ever exceed that as that would kind of ruin its whole marketing.
      - pxeboot 4y ago
        In the US, at least in many states, you can drive a semi truck with a normal drivers license as long as it's not for commercial use.
        bluGill 4y ago
        You need a special license to drive anything with an airbrake which most semi trucks have. Also a special license for more than some weight (18000lbs IIRC). Of your semi avoids both of those I guess you are okay, but that is tricky.
        paulryanrogers 4y ago
        Yeah this was terrifying for me when I had to move with a family. Smaller trucks were too small. Next move I'll pay people to drive those monsters or take two trips.
    - _carbyau_ 4y ago
      > Something happens I think that something is electrification and the limits on energy that comes with that. Aerodynamics makes for smaller is better. However the weight of the car is up significantly. Which definition of "bigger" are we concerned about?
- wlesieutre 4y ago
  For a recent example, the previous gen Honda HR-V was 171” long, the new one is 180”. That brings it to about 2” shorter than last year’s 182” Honda CR-V, but the new model of that grows to 185” long. Every time a car gets redesigned it gets bigger. Recently disappointed with the Chevy Equinox EV announcement, it takes the name of their small SUV but makes it 11” longer. Still at least impressed by the target price, but wish it were smaller. And you’d say “Oh well they have to put the batteries somewhere,” meanwhile on the same day Jeep announced their Avenger EV. It’s a proper subcompact with 250 mile range, but it won’t come to the US because apparently no one here wants small cars. Also waiting for more info on Mazda’s plug-in hybrid models. The CX-60 was announced for Europe, but we have to wait for a special fat version (CX-70) for the USA. Overall disappointed with the car manufacturers lately, and with the consumer spending habits that have pushed things this way. Would greatly increased taxes on large vehicles reduce it? Maybe, but then you’re basically saying “it’s OK to kill pedestrians as long as you’re rich.”
  - wlesieutre 4y ago
    Correction, Equinox EV is only 7" longer than the previous one, not 11". Not great, but not as bad as I thought. Interestingly, the Equinox has previously been an exception to the "Cars always get bigger" rule. First gen was 188.8", second gen shaved off an inch to 187.8", third gen moved it from midsize to compact at 183.1. EV version will put that back up around 190, back into the midsize segment and larger than the original gas version.
- denkmoon 4y ago
  Well I have a 2013 Hatch. 1.4t GVM. Up a few hundred kg from the 2003 Sedan I had prior at 1.1t GVM. The vehicles I'm regularly driving with/around/near SUVs that are almost an entire ton heavier at approx 2200kg. Driven by people that have the observational skills of an ex-parrot. Terrifying.
  - wlesieutre 4y ago
    Saw my first Hummer EV this week. 9000 lbs and 0-60 in 3 seconds. My best hope for not dying is that they drive carefully because they don’t want to dent their $100,000 mall crawler. Yikes.
    - gnicholas 4y ago
      It would be interesting to know how car insurance companies treat such vehicles. The likelihood that the occupant dies (or even sustains any injuries) is probably quite low. But the likelihood that it does damage to people, structures, or other vehicles would seem to be quite high (including the risk that there are issues with the enormous battery, which have yet to be discovered because it is a new, low-volume vehicle).
- metadat 4y ago
  The average American is also growing larger with each new revision. "Large" American people probably won't be comfortable crammed into a 90s Chevy Geo. 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- briHass 4y ago
  It's actually a problem for those of us that actually use their garage for parking, as opposed to storing more junk. Most 2-car garages are around 20x20 or usable parking space or less. Even newer houses skimp on garages, because it doesn't count for square footage, and you don't really notice when it's empty. 2 modern cars, especially a mid-sized SUV or minivan, aren't going to work well with 20' of width. Even the length is problematic for clearance and being able to open the back liftgate with the garage door(s) down. A large SUV or pickup, forget it.
- sliken 4y ago
  Heh, I bought a 2004 Subaru Forester XT. Nice size, easy to park, easy to travel with dog and kid, etc. Went to buy a newer one and it was MUCH larger, felt like a boat, much taller, much longer, etc. Turns out the crosstrek (their smallest crossover) is now nearly the exact size of my Forester XT. I'd have bought one, but it was depressingly slow. Sadly Subaru seems to have abandoned the practical small/sport SUV. The WRX wagon ... killed off. The crosstrek, nowhere close to sporty. The Forester nowhere close to small.
  - gnicholas 4y ago
    The CrossTrek is depressingly slow, and when we looked at it the interior cubic footage was no larger than the Impreza. The mileage was worse though. There is a hybrid version, but it has even less storage space. Wanted to like it, but we couldn’t do it.
    - tdehnel 4y ago
      That is because it is literally the same car as the Impreza, only lifted and with some body cladding.
      - gnicholas 4y ago
        And fine-looking cladding indeed! We ended up getting a used Impreza that had the older rounded body style.
  - cozzyd 4y ago
    Indeed, I used to drive a 2001 Forester, and the new ones look insanely large. (I haven't owned a car in the last 12 years, and whenever I rent a car I try to get an "economy"-sized car but usually end up with something much bigger).
  - Tokkemon 4y ago
    There's always the Nissan Rogue Sport, the smaller Rogue version.
- xur17 4y ago
  Hmm. This sounds oddly similar to how phones have progressed over the years.
  - Smoosh 4y ago
    And me, sadly.
derekp7 4y ago
There is also safety in a more maneuverable car. I went from a pickup truck to a Fusion (hybrid), and I've been able to steer clear of situations easier in it than the bigger truck. Also since I can't see past the SUV in front of me, I tend to back off and give more following space. If that causes other cars to try to cut in the open spot in front of me, then that causes me to back off further where I end up in a pocket behind the pack. Also there is the concept of "safe enough". If you are on an expressway, what are the chances of a head-on accident? And although getting t-boned at an intersection may often be the other driver's fault, being hyper-vigilant can help there too (although it gets exhausting constantly looking out for the other driver). What I'm really hoping for is that some minimal level of driver automation features become standard -- things like emergency braking, lane assist that yells at you when your driving deteriorates (so drivers realize they are getting to sleepy to drive), etc. The automatic braking alone would have prevented the last three accidents I witnessed in this past year (the most recent was a 5-car chain reaction that was most likely caused by a driver staring at a cell phone instead of the long line of stopped traffic in front of them).
stjohnswarts 4y ago
Yeah I'm thinking about getting rid of my Charger and getting a large pickup truck (probably EV hear in a few years, if it's even possible). I drove a corolla at one point as well and traded up to the Charger (power/feature wise)
MBCook 4y ago
My last car was a sedan. I loved it. But when the stock truck next to you at a light has a higher hood that your roof it makes an impression on you. A quick google shows a stock F150 at ~51” and it’s hardly the tallest. A RAM seems to be 58”. I know they’re adding pedestrian cams to the front of some trucks just so drivers can see if they’re about to hit someone at a light. Sedans seem to be in the 55-57” range. They feel flat out unsafe at times. Stupid trucks.
kurupt213 4y ago
Don’t feel bad. The most important person to you on the road should be you
asdff 4y ago
If its any consolation, you are chasing a marginal gain

gnicholas 4y ago

Funny thing is you can do this by buying a new Corolla, which is probably much larger than your current one. Car models have gotten so much bigger over the last several decades; current Corollas are bigger than older Camrys, Civics are bigger than old Accords, etc.

crooked-v 4y ago
Even Mini Coopers are slightly larger every revision now.
- nn3 4y ago
  One interesting question is how this trend will end. Possibilities: - Cars get larger and larger forever until cars get abolished for some other reason. - There's some natural limit on how large a car can get and all cars will eventually converge on that limit. - Something happens (what?) that changes the trend and suddenly they become smaller again.
  - throwaway0a5e 4y ago
    Another option is new smaller models get introduced and begin their own lifecycle of bloating. For example the Honda HRV is roughly the same size and price point as the CRV was originally.
    - biotinker 4y ago
      Exactly. It's the automobile equivalent of the Shepard Tone. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shepard_tone https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shepard_tone
  - koolba 4y ago
    > There's some natural limit on how large a car can get and all cars will eventually converge on that limit. When everyone is driving a Hummer H1, with a mounted .50 M60, we’ll finally solve road rage too.
    - tomschlick 4y ago
      First of all, dont threaten me with a good time. Second, the M60 fires a 7.62x51 round, not .50 BMG. You're thinking of the M2 or "Ma Duece".
      - bombcar 4y ago
        I’ll mount a ma deuce on mah deuce (and a half) and the H1s can go the long way around.
      - koolba 4y ago
        Ah you’re right! I was thinking of the M2. Though I’m sure the M60 could clear up dawdlers just as well.
  - runarberg 4y ago
    In Europe you need an advance license to drive a car that exceeds a certain tonnage (3,500 kg I believe; or at least that is my license). So for certain markets there is a hard limits. I don’t think a Corolla will ever exceed that as that would kind of ruin its whole marketing.
    - pxeboot 4y ago
      In the US, at least in many states, you can drive a semi truck with a normal drivers license as long as it's not for commercial use.
      - bluGill 4y ago
        You need a special license to drive anything with an airbrake which most semi trucks have. Also a special license for more than some weight (18000lbs IIRC). Of your semi avoids both of those I guess you are okay, but that is tricky.
      - paulryanrogers 4y ago
        Yeah this was terrifying for me when I had to move with a family. Smaller trucks were too small. Next move I'll pay people to drive those monsters or take two trips.
  - _carbyau_ 4y ago
    > Something happens I think that something is electrification and the limits on energy that comes with that. Aerodynamics makes for smaller is better. However the weight of the car is up significantly. Which definition of "bigger" are we concerned about?
wlesieutre 4y ago
For a recent example, the previous gen Honda HR-V was 171” long, the new one is 180”. That brings it to about 2” shorter than last year’s 182” Honda CR-V, but the new model of that grows to 185” long. Every time a car gets redesigned it gets bigger. Recently disappointed with the Chevy Equinox EV announcement, it takes the name of their small SUV but makes it 11” longer. Still at least impressed by the target price, but wish it were smaller. And you’d say “Oh well they have to put the batteries somewhere,” meanwhile on the same day Jeep announced their Avenger EV. It’s a proper subcompact with 250 mile range, but it won’t come to the US because apparently no one here wants small cars. Also waiting for more info on Mazda’s plug-in hybrid models. The CX-60 was announced for Europe, but we have to wait for a special fat version (CX-70) for the USA. Overall disappointed with the car manufacturers lately, and with the consumer spending habits that have pushed things this way. Would greatly increased taxes on large vehicles reduce it? Maybe, but then you’re basically saying “it’s OK to kill pedestrians as long as you’re rich.”
- wlesieutre 4y ago
  Correction, Equinox EV is only 7" longer than the previous one, not 11". Not great, but not as bad as I thought. Interestingly, the Equinox has previously been an exception to the "Cars always get bigger" rule. First gen was 188.8", second gen shaved off an inch to 187.8", third gen moved it from midsize to compact at 183.1. EV version will put that back up around 190, back into the midsize segment and larger than the original gas version.
denkmoon 4y ago
Well I have a 2013 Hatch. 1.4t GVM. Up a few hundred kg from the 2003 Sedan I had prior at 1.1t GVM. The vehicles I'm regularly driving with/around/near SUVs that are almost an entire ton heavier at approx 2200kg. Driven by people that have the observational skills of an ex-parrot. Terrifying.
- wlesieutre 4y ago
  Saw my first Hummer EV this week. 9000 lbs and 0-60 in 3 seconds. My best hope for not dying is that they drive carefully because they don’t want to dent their $100,000 mall crawler. Yikes.
  - gnicholas 4y ago
    It would be interesting to know how car insurance companies treat such vehicles. The likelihood that the occupant dies (or even sustains any injuries) is probably quite low. But the likelihood that it does damage to people, structures, or other vehicles would seem to be quite high (including the risk that there are issues with the enormous battery, which have yet to be discovered because it is a new, low-volume vehicle).
metadat 4y ago
The average American is also growing larger with each new revision. "Large" American people probably won't be comfortable crammed into a 90s Chevy Geo. I think such people deserve to be comfortable, is it not a basic human right / dignity? https://cdn.carbuzz.com/gallery-images/840x560/80000/200/80201.jpg https://cdn.carbuzz.com/gallery-images/840x560/80000/200/802... 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briHass 4y ago
It's actually a problem for those of us that actually use their garage for parking, as opposed to storing more junk. Most 2-car garages are around 20x20 or usable parking space or less. Even newer houses skimp on garages, because it doesn't count for square footage, and you don't really notice when it's empty. 2 modern cars, especially a mid-sized SUV or minivan, aren't going to work well with 20' of width. Even the length is problematic for clearance and being able to open the back liftgate with the garage door(s) down. A large SUV or pickup, forget it.
sliken 4y ago
Heh, I bought a 2004 Subaru Forester XT. Nice size, easy to park, easy to travel with dog and kid, etc. Went to buy a newer one and it was MUCH larger, felt like a boat, much taller, much longer, etc. Turns out the crosstrek (their smallest crossover) is now nearly the exact size of my Forester XT. I'd have bought one, but it was depressingly slow. Sadly Subaru seems to have abandoned the practical small/sport SUV. The WRX wagon ... killed off. The crosstrek, nowhere close to sporty. The Forester nowhere close to small.
- gnicholas 4y ago
  The CrossTrek is depressingly slow, and when we looked at it the interior cubic footage was no larger than the Impreza. The mileage was worse though. There is a hybrid version, but it has even less storage space. Wanted to like it, but we couldn’t do it.
  - tdehnel 4y ago
    That is because it is literally the same car as the Impreza, only lifted and with some body cladding.
    - gnicholas 4y ago
      And fine-looking cladding indeed! We ended up getting a used Impreza that had the older rounded body style.
- cozzyd 4y ago
  Indeed, I used to drive a 2001 Forester, and the new ones look insanely large. (I haven't owned a car in the last 12 years, and whenever I rent a car I try to get an "economy"-sized car but usually end up with something much bigger).
- Tokkemon 4y ago
  There's always the Nissan Rogue Sport, the smaller Rogue version.
xur17 4y ago
Hmm. This sounds oddly similar to how phones have progressed over the years.
- Smoosh 4y ago
  And me, sadly.

derekp7 4y ago

There is also safety in a more maneuverable car. I went from a pickup truck to a Fusion (hybrid), and I've been able to steer clear of situations easier in it than the bigger truck. Also since I can't see past the SUV in front of me, I tend to back off and give more following space. If that causes other cars to try to cut in the open spot in front of me, then that causes me to back off further where I end up in a pocket behind the pack. Also there is the concept of "safe enough". If you are on an expressway, what are the chances of a head-on accident? And although getting t-boned at an intersection may often be the other driver's fault, being hyper-vigilant can help there too (although it gets exhausting constantly looking out for the other driver). What I'm really hoping for is that some minimal level of driver automation features become standard -- things like emergency braking, lane assist that yells at you when your driving deteriorates (so drivers realize they are getting to sleepy to drive), etc. The automatic braking alone would have prevented the last three accidents I witnessed in this past year (the most recent was a 5-car chain reaction that was most likely caused by a driver staring at a cell phone instead of the long line of stopped traffic in front of them).

stjohnswarts 4y ago

Yeah I'm thinking about getting rid of my Charger and getting a large pickup truck (probably EV hear in a few years, if it's even possible). I drove a corolla at one point as well and traded up to the Charger (power/feature wise)

MBCook 4y ago

My last car was a sedan. I loved it. But when the stock truck next to you at a light has a higher hood that your roof it makes an impression on you. A quick google shows a stock F150 at ~51” and it’s hardly the tallest. A RAM seems to be 58”. I know they’re adding pedestrian cams to the front of some trucks just so drivers can see if they’re about to hit someone at a light. Sedans seem to be in the 55-57” range. They feel flat out unsafe at times. Stupid trucks.

kurupt213 4y ago

Don’t feel bad. The most important person to you on the road should be you

asdff 4y ago

If its any consolation, you are chasing a marginal gain