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India is almost 80% IPv6
- fulafel 4y agoNice. Can anyone from India comment? I imagine a lot of this is mobile, what is the v6 like on fixed broadband?
- maven29 4y agoEven the state-run broadband ISP goes as far as to offer DHCP prefix delegation: You can get a globally routable address for all your devices.
- DaiPlusPlus 4y agoMeanwhile, here in an exurb in the same country that the Internet was created in, my only real broadband option is DOCSIS3.1 gigabit with Wave/Astound... which sounds nice, except it's still very-much IPv4-only with zero signs of IPv6 rollout - including confirmation from a customer service rep from about 2-3 weeks ago that there's still no plans to deploy IPv6.
- pantalaimon 4y agoSeems to be common with German DSL providers too. It’s just on mobile that you only get a /64 But maybe variable SLAAC will be the solution here https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-mishra-6man-variable-slaac/ https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-mishra-6man-variable-...
- programmer_dude 4y agoAll fiber to the home service providers here (Jio, Tataplay fiber, Airtel etc) support IPv6 "out of the box".
- miohtama 4y agoWhat's the historical reason for good IPv6 support in India? They never managed to participate IPv4 address land grab?
- jiggawatts 4y agoIn a word: yes. They have less than one address per one hundred people: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_IPv4_address_allocation https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_IPv4_ad...
- akshayt 4y agoMy mobile service provider Jio does have IPv6 but my brodband service provider Hathway does not have IPv6.
- SanjayMehta 4y agoSeamless. I have multiple fibre and mobile connections. https://whatismyipaddress.com/ https://whatismyipaddress.com/ reports an ipv6 and ipv4 address for each connection. I had to do nothing on my routers, it just started working a few months ago. Edit:fixed bad URL
- noisy_boy 4y agoedit: already fixed by parent
- SanjayMehta 4y agoThanks for pointing out the lazy typo. Have edited my post.
- rraghur 4y agoMy ISP hands out ipv6, but with no real support. Prefix delegation does not work and tech support is clueless...
- sekh60 4y agoMy ISP in Ontario, Canada, has full ipv6 sorry for their cable customers, but tech support is clueless about it still. I had issues with ipv4 connectivity once and they struggled to understand that ipv6 was working perfectly and it was strictly v4 not working at all
- xfer 4y agoThe ipv6 routing on major ISP(Jio) that started popularizing it is pretty bad, half of the packets go to singapore and back to india. You often need to explicitly use v4 to get better latency.
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- miyuru 4y agoBetter direct link: https://stats.labs.apnic.net/ipv6/IN https://stats.labs.apnic.net/ipv6/IN World ranking: https://stats.labs.apnic.net/ipv6/ https://stats.labs.apnic.net/ipv6/
- ghoul2 4y agoThis is required by law. [0][1] Every ISP is required to be fully ipv6-enabled by the end of this year. The deadline has been pushed back multiple times , most recently due to covid. But this time it seems its going to stick. All lagging ISPs seem to have deployed v6 at this time. There has been a "National IPV6 Plan" in place since 2010, and full coverage has been pushed under that plan in stages. Anyone interested can read all about it in (extensive) detail[2]. 0. https://dot.gov.in/ipv6-transition https://dot.gov.in/ipv6-transition 1. https://dot.gov.in/sites/default/files/Revision%20in%20IPV6%20Transition%20timelines.pdf https://dot.gov.in/sites/default/files/Revision%20in%20IPV6%... 2. https://dot.gov.in/sites/default/files/2016_11_18%20IPv6%20NT.pdf https://dot.gov.in/sites/default/files/2016_11_18%20IPv6%20N...
- 9dev 4y agoWhy is it so hard to pull off the same regulation in other parts of the world? It isn’t like supporting IPv6 is black magic…
- yellow_lead 4y agoFor the US, if I had to guess, ISPs have huge lobbying presence in Washington. Of course they won't want to make more work for themselves.
- qalmakka 4y agoCGNAT is pretty expensive compared to rolling out IPv6 and tunneling IPv4 on it using stuff like MAP-E. I guess they still have no need to NAT everyone ATM because they have plenty of IPv4s to distribute to their subscribers.
- api 4y agoThat is correct. My ISP in Ohio gives me both IPv6 and global V4.
- Scoundreller 4y agoCGNAT is pretty much the only setup on mobile though. Dunno if any equipment vendor doesn’t do that. Would worry about most average cell phones sitting directly on the public internet. I think there’s a reason we haven’t heard about mass-owns of mobile phones and it’s because they’re always effectively behind firewalls, not because of their superior security.
- tmikaeld 4y agoI'm ashamed at our countrys paltry 14% (Sweden). ISPs don't want to spend money exchanging routers. There's a per-country map here: https://www.google.com/intl/en/ipv6/statistics.html#tab=per-country-ipv6-adoption https://www.google.com/intl/en/ipv6/statistics.html#tab=per-...
- bouncingbunny 4y agoI work at a decent-sized ISP in Sweden, and we've been trying to get IPv6 to customers for over 10 years. It's hard. The way the Internet is built (many municipal broadband networks[0]) means there's middle networks that might not support IPv6 (the reason used to be "no interest" and "it's not a priority"). PTS is starting to show some interest[1], we'll see what leads to. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Municipal_broadband https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Municipal_broadband [1] https://www.pts.se/sv/dokument/rapporter/internet/2022/ipv6-i-sverige---inte-langre-tillrackligt-med-enbart-framjandeatgarder/ https://www.pts.se/sv/dokument/rapporter/internet/2022/ipv6-...
- tmikaeld 4y agoThat's kind of what I'm hinting at, the municipal entities assigned to handle the installation of fiber started this 20 years ago, which means that even 1Gbit is not the norm, the old 100Mbit connections are. I know a person that works at such a place and they have zero interest in upgrading their routers, because it would only cost money for the labour and equipment.
- ftth_finland 4y agoThe flip side is that retail customers aren’t exactly clamoring to pay more for IPv6.
- dvfjsdhgfv 4y ago> I'm ashamed Slightly off-topic, but what should you be ashamed by something that is totally independent from you, that you can't control in any way? Personally I'm ashamed only if I do something wrong myself.
- candl 4y agoQuestion to those familiar with IPv6. My company has /24 IPv4 PI blocks. We are not a LIR. Can I request a /48 or larger IPv6 prefix from my sponsor LIR (what is the largest IPv6 prefix that can be obtained this way?) Can such IPv6 prefix (not being a LIR) be further distributed to customers? (e.g. we offer some internet access) - afaik there were some restrictions when not being a LIR. I am not sure what the current state of IPv6 policy is.
- bouncingbunny 4y agoIf you're talking about the RIPE region, then; - Can I request a /48 or larger IPv6 prefix from my sponsor LIR -> Yes. Something bigger than a /48 might be hard, but /48 shouldn't be any problems. - Can such IPv6 prefix be further distributed to customers? -> No. A IPv6 PI assignment can only be used by yourself and your own infrastructure and not assigned to customers[0]. Other RIRs will have the information on their website, or your sponsoring LIR will be able to answer any questions :) [0] https://www.ripe.net/publications/docs/ripe-738 https://www.ripe.net/publications/docs/ripe-738 section 7
- candl 4y agoThank you. Just to make things clear, customer from section 7 also equals end user? That is, if I were given for example a /48 from a sponsor LIR then I am forbidden to divide that and delegate resulting prefixes via DHCP/PPPOE to end user CPEs to whom I want to simply provide dual stack internet access?
- bauruine 4y agoYes that's exactly whats not allowed for PI space. But you can get a PA subnet from your sponsoring LIR and use that for your end users.
- KolmogorovComp 4y agoCan someone enlighten me on the LIR acronym? Google is no help
- qalmakka 4y agoMeanwhile in Italy basically nobody (except Sky and Iliad) offers any support for IPv6. TIM had a very poorly functioning technical trial of native IPv6 12 years ago, and while it still exists (and sucks) it only works on ADSL (not VDSL, 20Mbps ADSL). I guess that carriers have just too many IPv4 to throw around, mobile connections are all NATted with no sign of any future roll-out of IPv6 in sight.
- sharikous 4y agoIt goes up fast when it starts. In Israel it was like that 4 years ago and now it's green on the map.
- qalmakka 4y agoI kinda doubt it. Only new ISPs are rolling out IPv6 ATM, because they know they will not be able in the future to get enough IPv4 to satisfy demand. Everyone else is sitting on a crapload of IPv4 and will never bother to implement IPv6 until it is mandated by either the Italian government or the EU, whichever comes first.
- jeroenhd 4y agoIf your ISP doesn't disable ICMP you can get yourself an IPv6 network for free using something like HE's tunnelbroker. This has the tendency to break Netflix/Disney Plus/whatever, though, because they see it as an attempt to change your location. I use Tunnelbroker to provision IPv6 to some services I run on a VPS provider that hands out a /128 for some obscure reason. It works great if you can configure the tunnel in your router. The biggest difficulty for home use is to set up DNS in such a way that streaming services don't resolve over IPv6 so you don't get blocked (or, as I did for a while, to just pirate content when they refuse access to the services I pay for; my Jellyfin + *arr setup is often easier to manage than finding the right service to watch my shows on).
- GekkePrutser 4y agoFunny, here in Spain I don't even get an IPv6 address from my fibre provider (which is a sub-brand of Orange). I don't really miss it anyway. There is nothing I can't do without it. Edit: According to the link Spain is at 3% which seems about accurate :)
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- perryizgr8 4y agoWhat is a white IP address?
- nokeya 4y agoPrivate, static - an address that is visible from outer network
- wtmt 4y agoFWIW, airtel broadband, one of the largest (or the largest?) fixed line broadband providers, doesn’t offer IPv6 for all customers. It seems like mobile broadband from even a lower ranking provider (like Vi) does offer it. I doubt if all ISPs will meet this goal by the end of this year. Source: My current Internet connections.
- boruto 4y agoI saw ACT too didn't assign ipv6. Was even planning to put us behind nat. Took fair bit of pleading to keep the vpn running
- blackoil 4y agoHow old is your router. At least for new connections, I have seen the IPv6 assigned.
- wtmt 4y agoThe modem is less than a year old. But airtel doesn’t give an IPv6 address. This is in one of the major cities where one would expect technology to be advanced.
- agsamek 4y agoMy story about ipv6 is from a travel. I connected to a friend's wifi. It worked for some time and then a strange thing happened. I was able to google but I was not able to connect to my company's services. I debugged the cause and it looked like the router received ipv6 address but not an ipv4. There was some tornado going around that might something to it. This was the first time I felt like being on the ipv6 network. I also wonder why I was not able to access to ipv4 servers, I assume that in India people have no problem accessing ipv4 only networks. Anyway - this was the first time I had to deal with ipv6 :) On the business side. One ipv4 costs us $3/mo. We never had any problem with this, didn't feel any business reason to upgrade and in particular we (as most of the companies) do not have any permanent test of ipv6 connectivity going on. So even if this had been setup at some point, we would never notice a regression here. So - unless our customers started asking for ipv6, government pushed some regulation or the address' prise would go up - I do not think we will do anything about ipv6, like most other companies.
- mike_hock 4y agoThe prices will go up due to scarcity. The $3 are an early warning signal. You can start upgrading slowly on the cheap when you have all the time in the world, or you can do it for much more money and higher risks come crunch time, when you "see a business reason." I don't have an axe to grind with IPv6 in particular, but I wish managers who consistently make short-sighted management decisions when the writing is so obviously on the wall, would face unemployment.
- jeroenhd 4y agoGenerally, IPv6-first networks use shared IPv4 addresses for connectivity to legacy servers. Think CG-NAT but slightly more optimised. I don't know why a tornado would only knock out IPv4, seems to me that the prefix administration for IPv6 should run on the same location as the DHCP administration for IPv4. I would've switched most of my systems over to IPv6 by now if it wasn't for my workplace using Ubiquity hardware that still lacks IPv6 hardware acceleration, forcing the admins to disable it or face unnecessary network slowdowns. I like to be able to use my password manager and such on their WiFi just in case. Indian regulation forcing IPv6 availability may lead to limited IPv4 availability in one of the biggest developing economies in the world, which may lead to business reasons for switching over. I can only hope, we've been stuck with IPv4 for way too long.
- api 4y agoMeanwhile in the US I recently bought a brand new Netgear Nighthawk router and V6 was disabled. To enable it you have to go into “advanced.” Apparently this is now common. It’ll hold back adoption even more since most people do not change defaults.
- pantalaimon 4y agoThere are new TP-Link access points that don’t even have the option to enable IPv6
- api 4y agoPeople should return those as defective.
- ornornor 4y agoI personally can’t find a reason to switch over on my home network. I understand why v6 is necessary for the internet but I can’t reconcile it with my home network. I tried a few times migrating over and it’s just an insane amount of work for essentially nothing… all the firewall rules, containers to subdomain mappings, all the wifi clients would get a completely new numbering scheme. And it changes when you change ISP if I understand correctly because your prefix changes. It just seems insanely complex to me for no benefit. I have nginx as a proxy on ports 80 and 443 which dispatches the request to the right application based on the subdomain, and that’s it. I don’t understand what ipv6 would do for me in that context. And most (all?) games or VoIP or other network applications all know how to deal with NAT by now. With v4, I can have subnets and firewall rules so that my printer can only talk to local computers, or my tv only to my home assistant instance. Now idea how I’d move this all over to v6.
- MaKey 4y agoThere is no need to move your whole private network over to IPv6, although it might provide a good learning opportunity. You could start with enabling IPv6 for your nginx reverse proxy and make it listen on its IPv6 address. IPv6 has subnets too and firewalling is still possible, only NAT isn't needed anymore (which is good). Edit: Reading your post again it sounds like you have mental model of either IPv4 or IPv6, when in practice it is often mixed. Each client can have an IPv4 and IPv6 address - even multiple ones! When you enable IPv6 on your router it gets a subnet from your provider and announces the prefix on your network. The clients then generate their public IPv6 address based on this announcement. Note: Even though they now have a public IPv6 address, the router's firewall should block incoming connections to it by default. That's the case for my router, but to be sure you should check it yourself for yours.
- lvass 4y ago>Even though they now have a public IPv6 address, the router's firewall should block incoming connections to it by default. That's the case for my router, but to be sure you should check it yourself for yours This is why I won't enable IPv6 unless ISPs dramatically change how their hardware works. My ISP-issued modem+router doesn't even have a way to disable routing or automatic updates. I can test the firewall today, but what guarantee is there it'll just keep working?
- cutierust 4y agoWhile everyone should migrate asap, i hope the powers that be learn lessons and next time create standards that consider himan factors as well (personally recollection is important to me too, not that that's a major factor in stalling migration)
- exabrial 4y agoUnpopular opinion: ipv6 offers no benefit, only potentisl downsides to the end user.
- PhantomBKB 4y agoBSNL still on ipv4
- kushan2020 4y agoThis is mostly mobile users driving the numbers, majority of the fixed line ISPs still only offer IPv4. Source - https://stats.labs.apnic.net/ipv6/IN https://stats.labs.apnic.net/ipv6/IN