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What region, if you don’t mind saying?
by jimbob45 4y ago
What region, if you don’t mind saying?
- shoghicp 4y agoSeeing the same in Sweden
- roywiggins 4y agoA lot of American local news sites started blocking all of Europe after GDPR went into effect, it's probably that.
- Scoundreller 4y agoWhat I still don’t get is: wouldn’t it still be worth enough money to segment the traffic onto something that doesn’t do any tracking and at least throw Adsense on it? it seems to be for sites like archive.to anyway These are entire networks doing this probably running a core CMS.
- azinman2 4y agoIt’s a local media outfit. Their international traffic is probably just this single article.
- guitarbill 4y agoIf that were true, they wouldn't even have to worry about the GDPR. But it's almost never a "local media outfit" in the traditional sense; they're owned by a huge media company worth billions. And they might have to care about GDPR.
- Scoundreller 4y agoNe star is the largest tv station owner in USA. I’m guessing the business model is consolidating everything onto as few back end setups as possible: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nexstar_Media_Group https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nexstar_Media_Group
- Dylan16807 4y agoIn which case it would cost nothing to turn off tracking instead of turning off the entire article. But it would be embarrassing to admit they can make such a thing.
- grogenaut 4y agoactually it would cost engineering time/money. those engineers are likely contractors or some of the highest paid folks at the paper who are likely barely staffed and dealing with the page load of a big article.
- Dylan16807 4y agoThey already showed their willingness to spend money on a cutoff. They could have done a different cutoff instead.
- kube-system 4y agoWhy would they do that? The problem they were intending to solve is their legal liability. The problem that Europeans can’t read their news without ads is not a problem they want to solve. They don’t want people reading their news without ads.
- Dylan16807 4y agoThe premise of this line of comments is that the international traffic is so small it's not even worth making an adsense account. Given that premise, there's no reason to want Europeans blocked other than spite or embarrassment. Simply not caring enough to put in extra effort wouldn't look so bad, but that's why I'm pointing out there's no real difference in effort.
- kube-system 4y ago> Given that premise, there's no reason to want Europeans blocked other than spite or embarrassment. Yes, there is another reason: legal liability under GDPR. if(maxmind.lookup(request.ip).isInEU()) { return 451 } …is the cheapest and easiest way to meet their legal obligation. It is way easier than setting up some alternative revenue stream and ensuring that it is compliant.
- tgsovlerkhgsel 4y agoNo, because there are likely so many trackers embedded, with nobody really knowing where they are, that they'd basically have to engineer an entirely new site. The fixed engineering cost is the problem here.
- capableweb 4y agoYou can hack your way around that stuff. Just add a CSP policy telling the browsers that any connection except to wjtv.com should be blocked, problem solved. Granted, your trackers can actually handle having their connection broken without breaking the entire rest of the site. This obviously won't help if you for example sell your backend access.log to the highest bidder, or do backend tracking somehow.
- tgsovlerkhgsel 4y agoThat would likely break way too much content.
- gojomo 4y agoWhat I still don't get is: Wouldn't it be worth it for the EU to fix the silly GDPR cookie requirements? They burden sites & users with billions of extra meaningless interactions every month for no net gain in privacy – and possibly a net loss, by training users to habitually dismiss such popups without thought.
- acchow 4y agoThe cookie warnings feels a lot like the Prop 65 warning of the internet
- kevin_thibedeau 4y agoThey impose no burden if you make everything opt in at the point it's required rather than on first page load. Every cookie notice is there by choice because the site operator doesn't care about smooth UX.
- gojomo 4y agoSo, in a theoretical world that doesn't exist, where every website does extra engineering to defer a disclosure until later, it's less of a burden. (But still a burden at that later point.) Can you point out a few prominent sites using your preferred approach, so I'm sure what you mean? In our actual world, the disclosure/opt-in requirement is a major burden, because essentially all of the practicioner/implementers, and the specialist firms now powering disclosure popups, have decided their best way to comply is the first-load pop-up mess we've got now. (That's likely because: there's immense value in being able to track sessions-of-use, for adjusting design, even before any commerce or specific-identity info is disclosed. And that value flows not just to the websites: it helps adjust content/UI for the users, as well.) Given the actual, observed state-of-the-world, for years now, it would make more sense for the singlular governing entity that created the problem – the EU – to fix this, rather than the millions of diverse websites worldwide. At the very least, the EU could waive the opt-in requirements for any browser which offers some baseline of user-controlled cookie-blocking – which the ~half-dozen relevant browser engines could easily add. That'd be a far more rational, low total compliance cost, high user-agency solution. Competition & user self-help had practically wiped annoying modal popups from the web. Then the EU's clumsy, oblivious regulators brought them back.
- kube-system 4y agoBecause their intended audience is American, their monetization partners are likely just compliant with American law.
- wyager 4y agoNo. Europeans are pretty poor compared to Americans, so it's not worth going out of your way to scrounge for a few relatively low-return clicks, especially given the legal risk.
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- WirelessGigabit 4y agoLet’s say I have a site that tracks the shit out of people. And my target is USA. Someone from Europe visits my page. How am I responsible for something they do?