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This is really a typical example of corporate justice: - We are jailing you - The jail term is forever - There's no defense - There's no appeal - We won't

This is really a typical example of corporate justice: - We are jailing you - The jail term is forever - There's no defense - There's no appeal - We won't tell you what we think you did

thematrixturtle 4y ago
That's pretty much the bullet point version of Kafka's The Trial, although Airbnb was kind enough to merely banish their protagonist instead of executing them.
- taffronaut 4y ago
  Often Kafakaesque is used as hyperbole, but this description is pretty apt: "What's Kafkaesque ... is when you enter a surreal world in which all your control patterns, all your plans, the whole way in which you have configured your own behavior, begins to fall to pieces, when you find yourself against a force that does not lend itself to the way you perceive the world." [1] The Trial is an awesome book. [1] https://www.nytimes.com/1991/12/29/nyregion/the-essence-of-kafkaesque.html https://www.nytimes.com/1991/12/29/nyregion/the-essence-of-k...
bezier-curve 4y ago
This is basically what Reddit did to me. They suspended all of my accounts (and new ones) because I got too loud about how moderators are treated. It's interesting how much "corporate justice" and autocracies have in common.
- koheripbal 4y ago
  This happened to me as well. They use a combination of browser fingerprinting and IP address for identification, but you can still create a new account and access it via VPN. It's just not really worth it except in a few rare cases when you want to ask a specific sub a narrow question. The main subs have lost all meaningful quality.... Even the larger tech subs like sysadmin are garbage now
  - bezier-curve 4y ago
    Reddit has been circling the drain for a while content-wise. It wasn't until I tried to create my own subreddit (for my city) that one of the admins came reigning in on its purpose and tried to narrow down what I'm allowed to discuss. It was really eye opening as someone who jumped from digg to reddit in 2011 when media viewed reddit as the "wild west". I'm still reeling from the new level of censorship huge platforms like these are undergoing. It's disturbing, and unprecedented in its lack of transparency, considering how much power these companies have over society and influence.
prox 4y ago
This sounds like a job for consumer protection. I still feel all companies should have by law the availability of human representation within a reasonable timeframe, and any government should give their consumer protection ways to intervene with one sided arbitration.
- SpicyLemonZest 4y ago
  I think there's a strong case for regulating automated decisions. But when there's a human in the loop, as there seems to have been here, I think you start to run up against the limits of what any reasonable regulation could do. Maybe you could write some kind of disclosure requirement, but we can't build a government Bureau of Were Your Tweets Really Bad Enough To Deserve A Ban.
  - prox 4y ago
    This is more about general service, compliance with contract and reasonable assumption and assessment of arbitration. This should be a process any individual can start when the case warrants it (like when a company basically goes “because we say so”)
  - stoppostingdumb 4y ago
- billpg 4y ago
  "This is Bob, our human customer representative. His job is to agree with the robot while technically being a human."

This is really a typical example of corporate justice: - We are jailing you - The jail term is forever - There's no defense - There's no appeal - We won't tell you what we think you did

thematrixturtle 4y ago

That's pretty much the bullet point version of Kafka's The Trial, although Airbnb was kind enough to merely banish their protagonist instead of executing them.

taffronaut 4y ago
Often Kafakaesque is used as hyperbole, but this description is pretty apt: "What's Kafkaesque ... is when you enter a surreal world in which all your control patterns, all your plans, the whole way in which you have configured your own behavior, begins to fall to pieces, when you find yourself against a force that does not lend itself to the way you perceive the world." [1] The Trial is an awesome book. [1] https://www.nytimes.com/1991/12/29/nyregion/the-essence-of-kafkaesque.html https://www.nytimes.com/1991/12/29/nyregion/the-essence-of-k...

bezier-curve 4y ago

This is basically what Reddit did to me. They suspended all of my accounts (and new ones) because I got too loud about how moderators are treated. It's interesting how much "corporate justice" and autocracies have in common.

koheripbal 4y ago
This happened to me as well. They use a combination of browser fingerprinting and IP address for identification, but you can still create a new account and access it via VPN. It's just not really worth it except in a few rare cases when you want to ask a specific sub a narrow question. The main subs have lost all meaningful quality.... Even the larger tech subs like sysadmin are garbage now
- bezier-curve 4y ago
  Reddit has been circling the drain for a while content-wise. It wasn't until I tried to create my own subreddit (for my city) that one of the admins came reigning in on its purpose and tried to narrow down what I'm allowed to discuss. It was really eye opening as someone who jumped from digg to reddit in 2011 when media viewed reddit as the "wild west". I'm still reeling from the new level of censorship huge platforms like these are undergoing. It's disturbing, and unprecedented in its lack of transparency, considering how much power these companies have over society and influence.

prox 4y ago

This sounds like a job for consumer protection. I still feel all companies should have by law the availability of human representation within a reasonable timeframe, and any government should give their consumer protection ways to intervene with one sided arbitration.

SpicyLemonZest 4y ago
I think there's a strong case for regulating automated decisions. But when there's a human in the loop, as there seems to have been here, I think you start to run up against the limits of what any reasonable regulation could do. Maybe you could write some kind of disclosure requirement, but we can't build a government Bureau of Were Your Tweets Really Bad Enough To Deserve A Ban.
- prox 4y ago
  This is more about general service, compliance with contract and reasonable assumption and assessment of arbitration. This should be a process any individual can start when the case warrants it (like when a company basically goes “because we say so”)
- stoppostingdumb 4y ago
billpg 4y ago
"This is Bob, our human customer representative. His job is to agree with the robot while technically being a human."