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Rsync.net
- threatofrain 4y agoI'm not sure why link to the front page of rsync.net when there's no new update, but for anyone considering rsync, one thing to note is that they have other products for incredible prices.
- mousetree 4y agoTo start a discussion about it
- schappim 4y agoI'm amazed that rsync is not a registred trademark, internationally [1] or in Australia [2]. [1] https://www3.wipo.int/madrid/monitor/en/ https://www3.wipo.int/madrid/monitor/en/ [2] https://search.ipaustralia.gov.au/trademarks/search/quick/result?q=rsync https://search.ipaustralia.gov.au/trademarks/search/quick/re...
- killingtime74 4y agoPerhaps authors meant it this way? It’s consistent with the open source ethos
- schappim 4y agoUnfortunately from personal experience, this is becoming rarer, and I would no longer equate open source with open trademarks. The most egregious I’ve seen is an “open source” hardware company also trademark a term within an education trademark class that technically prevented others from advertising their own seminars or workshops.
- AnonC 4y agoI’ve been with SpiderOak for a while and am considering dropping it (the client is buggy and the company seems to have moved on to other services, letting this die). I’ve seen rsync.net posted here before, and I’ve also seen rsync (rsync.net’s founder’s HN account) comment here often. One thing I would like to see on rsync.net is a single page that shows the different prices for a specific chosen storage capacity, including the (special) borg account pricing. Perhaps a separate page for the “HN Readers discount” (at rsync.net/hn, maybe?) too? Trawling through older order links with specific codes posted on HN seems a bit tedious (and likely not reliable since those could be outdated).
- tanana 4y agoSame boat here, SpiderOak on Ubuntu (not much issues fortunately) but it does seem abandoned and not sure about its future. As a general noob I also don't understand how I should use rsync.net appropriately. Do I encrypt all my data files before or is that done by Borg/Restic for example?
- AnonC 4y agoGP here. You’d have to encrypt the data before sending it to rsync.net. Borg and Restic can do that for you, but you’d have to manage the encryption keys safely). Doing it by yourself before borg or Restic do the backup is unnecessarily complex. There’s a special “borg account” at a lower price (compared to the standard one) on rsync.net. That one assumes that you setup the retention policies for older versions in borg since rsync.net doesn’t do any (additional) snapshots/retentions (like it does for the standard, but slightly costlier, accounts). The bigger issue is making sure others (in one’s circles) who may need the data are able to use the tool for backups and restores. That’s where I prefer GUI tools that are easy to use and easy to demonstrate, rather than CLI tools and scripts.
- PyWoody 4y agoSpiderOak's CLI has been pretty stable for me across Windows, Linux, and now Mac (M1). The GUI is definitely buggy and tends to freeze for long periods of time, though. Does anyone have an inside knowledge of the company wrt their plan for SpiderOak One? I'm grandfathered into the old unlimited plan and I'd rather not have to migrate any time soon.
- freosam 4y agoI'm also interested in this. I've been using SpiderOak for years, but am currently trying to migrate away (to rsync.net, coincidentally). It's not that I've ever had any issues with SpiderOak, but nor do they seem to be a very engaged company (e.g. I've never heard of a SpiderOak person posting here on HN, but @rsync is never far away and is always friendly). It does sound like their efforts are in other directions.
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- tunnuz 4y agoLooks offline to me
- luoc 4y agoWhat's the advantage of this over Hetzner Storage Box[0]? Seems to be the better option if I don't go into petabyte scale... [0] https://www.hetzner.com/de/storage/storage-box https://www.hetzner.com/de/storage/storage-box
- tmikaeld 4y agoThe ZFS integrity checks?
- dividuum 4y agoA quick look at Hetzners page also seems to indicate they use zfs: they also have integrity checks and their snapshot directory is .zfs/snapshots. Seems pretty similar.
- Mashimo 4y agoI always thought rsync.net would support ZFS send and receive. Now reading the site I'm not so sure.
- tionis 4y agoYes, rsync.net does support zfs send and receive, they have a special discount for that
- rcxdude 4y agoHere's the page: https://www.rsync.net/products/zfsintro.html https://www.rsync.net/products/zfsintro.html , but it doesn't seem like there's a discount any more (probably because the regular price has dropped)
- mekster 4y agoIt's not a discount. It's a special account that forces you to have 4TB minimum which used to be 1TB, so it's not cheap just to have a small amount of data. In that case, better to just spin up your $5 instance and put zfs on it.
- crypt1d 4y agoA big fan and a regular user of rsync.net here. I've used their borg offering on a number of occasions for myself and companies I worked with. I highly recommend them for their pricing and excellent support. https://www.rsync.net/products/borg.html https://www.rsync.net/products/borg.html
- egorfine 4y agoLooks offline from Ukraine
- KingOfCoders 4y agoHuge fan of Rsync, excellent support, great product.
- mekster 4y agoI don't consider it excellent support. I once had a slow performance on their zfs instance and asked the support what happened and all they said was, "It should be better now, please check" and it still had mixed performance for a while and I asked what was the problem and they ignored my request for comment. Also, I don't care much but their email formatting is like a random chat without any salutation and signatures in the end but just body message which kind of looks a bit amateurish. And they don't seem to respond when they ask me whether they should proceed with a change and I respond "Please proceed" and I get no acknowledgement, so not sure when the change took place or they've read it because one time, they just missed my email and once I asked why I'm getting no response they said they have somehow missed the mail... Really all pretty basic stuff...
- KingOfCoders 4y agoSad to hear, I always got replies and a solution to my problems, but it was some years back.
- platelminto 4y ago(0 experience in offsite backups so apologies if this question seems a bit dumb) I'm confused - can this be used as a simple cloud storage platform, or are there limits on how often you can upload/download data? If I can SSH into it at any time, why not use this over other storage providers?
- kqr 4y agoNo limits. The main reason you'd not use this over other storage providers is probably the price. For the money you pay, you'd really only use this for data you can't afford to lose, and won't constantly monitor for corruption yourself – i.e. backups.
- retube 4y agois it really that expensive? I pay like $100 per year for 400GB, which includes geo redundency. Access speeds up and down are fast, I can up or download whenever and how often I like, and with winscp it's basically just a mounted fs I can use. Oh and support is great, the few times I've had questions they have responded in detail within a few hours.
- mharoune 4y agoDo they really provide a Unix engineer to help you with your setup / write scripts ... ?
- AnonC 4y agoNot GP. “rsync”, the HN user who’s the founder of rsync.net, has commented here that everybody who works for them is a Unix engineer and knows the technology quite well. Based on past comments (you can look for comments by rsync on hn.algolia.com), I’m sure they’d help with setup. But custom scripts…I’m not sure. Maybe that depends on the complexity.
- ac29 4y agoAccording to their pricing page there is a 680GB minimum, which is ~$120/year.
- lloydatkinson 4y agoLooks interesting but the pricing is confusing. 0.99 cents requires 680GB minimum but the 0.1 cents does not have a minimum.
- sph 4y agoI'm a happy user. I don't have a very complicated setup: a daily rsync cron job from my workstation to my Synology NAS, and a daily cron job from my NAS to rsync.net. I told rsync.net to notify me if I stop uploading data for more than 7 days. I could use borg, rclone, restic, etc. but rsync is used everywhere, not just backups, so it's a pretty safe choice for long term storage IMO. (I was surprised to learn that rsync is only 26 years old) That's the extend of my backup system and I'm pretty happy with it. Sadly, I haven't had the chance to put it to the test, one day if I feel brave enough I'll format my hard drive and see if my backup strategy forgot anything :-)
- aborsy 4y agoRsync copies data to destination. Backup software such as Restic or Borg are miles ahead: incremental, snapshots, checksums, compression, encryption, etc. Highly recommend Restic and Borg.
- rlpb 4y agoI don't know if you're just using rsync, but automatically syncing modifications, corruptions and deletions without any kind of retention system isn't a good idea, and your post reads like that's what you're doing. If you can't recover when you accidentally deleted something a month ago and want it back, I wouldn't call what you have a backup system. The difference between rsync and borgbackup is exactly this: the latter does backup retention properly.
- sph 4y agoThanks, that's a good argument for trying borg. To be honest it was simpler to use rsync with my NAS than hacking borg in last I checked. My use case has always been to save my data in case of disaster, I haven't needed to rollback an accidental deletion... yet. That said, rsync.net has daily ZFS snapshots with weekly retention, so you're able to roll back in that case.
- cillian64 4y agoI run a borg backup from my synology NAS to rsync.net and it was pretty easy to set up. I installed borg and borgmatic from the community repositories and use the synology scheduler to run it nightly. I followed the tutorial at https://docs.borgbase.com/setup/synology/ https://docs.borgbase.com/setup/synology/.
- quickthrower2 4y agoSweet! I wanted / wondered if this exists. Feels a bit pricey for my home backup usecase though. Maybe I am spoiled by the cheap backup options!
- mharoune 4y agoCurious what are some of those "cheap backup options" ?
- quickthrower2 4y agoidrive and backblaze to some extent office365 too
- mekster 4y agoIf you don't need their snapshotting, there's borg discount if you search for it. I just found out that now you need to pay annually for this. Their deals are simply getting worse and worse.
- rexour 4y agohttps://rsync.net/products/restic.html https://rsync.net/products/restic.html advertises that rsync.net supports restic in append-only mode, but it doesn't, and when I emailed support, they acknowledged that this didn't work. I'm surprised the docs are still up. I've seen others on HN mention this too: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26508338 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26508338
- rsync 4y agoIt's wishful thinking on our part. We really, really want to make the append-only mode with restic work but the security implications of the restic serve model (and mount ? going from memory here ...) make us very uneasy. You are correct - at the very least we should edit that page. We keep coming back to this idea that there must be some way to make it work ...
- rexour 4y ago> We really, really want to make the append-only mode with restic work but the security implications of the restic serve model (and mount ? going from memory here ...) make us very uneasy. That's fair. The words "serve" and "mount" ring alarm bells, but I think it's misplaced in this case. rclone "serves" over stdio, so all communication occurs over stdio-over-SSH. rclone doesn't mount, but does have an internal VFS, which is entirely userspace and implemented in rclone's Go.
- aborsy 4y agoZFS backup is the attractive part of this service. But that’s $60/month for 5TB. It’s quite expensive, even accounting for a $5/month full time VPS (enough RAM and CPU for ZFS receive). The ZFS offering was better until recently where the minimum storage was substantially increased. On the other hand, for non-ZFS backups, there is Backblaze and other cheap storage. It’s hard to make sense of rsync.net these days.
- unilynx 4y agoAlways read the small print on these cheap providers, check for outbound data limits or minimum retention times Also rsync has a cheaper plan if you eg only need a borg remote. We use them and borgbase.
- prirun 4y agoI agree, for things like Google Drive, OneDrive, etc. Usually if the service is a flat rate and/or unlimited, there are gonna be issues around performance, both upload and download. Rather than impose hard data size limits, these services usually make upload and/or download so painful at higher sizes that they become unusable or infeasible. There are many services these days that have minimum retention times, including the cheaper tiers of S3 and GCS. Backblaze doesn't throttle, has no minimum retention times, no minimum object size, and is 0.5 cents/GB/mo for storage and 1 cent/GB/mo for downloads with a 10GB free monthly storage allowance (without registering a CC) and a free 1 GB/day download allowance. Not associated with BB other than through HashBackup (I'm the author). Many of HB's large customers successfully use BackBlaze for their offsite backups. It's rock solid if you strictly follow their API guidelines, esp related to error handling.
- rsync 4y ago"It’s hard to make sense of rsync.net these days." We updated our pricing this past year and are, I believe, price-competitive with Wasabi and B2 for large datasets[1]. For medium sized datasets there is a premium that might pencil out given the free usage/bandwidth/transfer. For smaller accounts there is a premium and in return for that premium you get actual person to person support from real UNIX engineers as well as a simple platform "that just works". It's not for everybody. That's just fine. [1] https://rsync.net/pricing.html https://rsync.net/pricing.html
- rsync 4y agoWow - this came and went on the front page of HN yesterday and we had no idea. Thank you to everyone for your kind words - I will personally look over the discussion thread today, a day late, and see if there are any questions I can answer.
- 6ak74rfy 4y agoBtw, I just posted this as a happy user - no affiliation with you in any way.
- AnonC 4y agoCould you please look at my comment (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32747618 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32747618) and make some changes to your website? The various pricing schemes and special discounts are difficult to find/discover and compare. I'd appreciate if you could acknowledge (as a reply to that comment or a reply to this one) that you've seen my comment.
- rsync 4y agoLooking at this today!
- epitrade 4y agoThank you rsync.net -- the zfs filesystem / managed service from a team that administers their own hardware give me peace of mind knowing my customers data (which is champion nowadays) is safe. Look forward to using you more!