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How do they plan to achieve that? Simply have the state fork the bill and fund it through taxes? Sure energy costs will be high for the next few years, that's

How do they plan to achieve that? Simply have the state fork the bill and fund it through taxes? Sure energy costs will be high for the next few years, that's the reality. Nothing anyone could do about it. And no, nuclear is not the answer: even if we take nations where permissioning and red tape is not a problem at all (Russia), nuclear takes a LONG LONG LONG time. Belarusian nuclear plant was being built for 14 years now and still only one of the reactors is operating. So it's about 15 years lead time. In 15 years, energy issues will be solved with renewables, before nuclear will kick in.

luciusdomitius 4y ago
Well, it is entirely the state's fault - it wasn't me who cut off the only reasonably priced supplier who can provide enough supply in the name of some retarded ideology...
- anovikov 4y ago
  You mean Russia? There is no way anyone in the free world will ever depend on it for anything, even if it means civil war or mass dieoff. Russia has to be suppressed or at least isolated from the West to the point it can be ignored. Secondly, UK never did. It never imported any considerable amounts of energy from Russia. What happens in UK now is consequence of lack of storage facilities "optimised" away by privatisation, combined with skyrocketing world prices because of Putin switching off gas (and no it wasn't done through sanctions, it was a one-sided Russian decision). What could the West do? Just allow occupation of Ukraine doing nothing? And in any case, UK could not do anything. It's not even a member of EU anymore to veto any sanctions if it wanted to. It just happened to UK, an indirect effect.
  - luciusdomitius 4y ago
    Well, when your military is a joke after 30 years of underinvestment, this is what you do - watch by and squeak your teeth angrily. On top of that the will of actual Europeans regarding Ukraine is completely different: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Dutch_Ukraine%E2%80%93European_Union_Association_Agreement_referendum https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Dutch_Ukraine%E2%80%93Eur.... I forgot that in the "free" world, democracy and referendums don't really mean anything.
    - anovikov 4y ago
      Will the public accept going at war with Russia any easier than higher energy bills? I doubt it. We need Russia to become unable to exert any sort of political influence over the West, and two ways of doing it they had were the thereat of cutting off energy supplies (which has been realised, in case of oil and coal, from our side, and in case of gas, from their side, so it's no longer a threat and thus no longer a tool that can influence us), and the threat of invasion (which turned out to be a bluff because they can't even properly invade Ukraine). Now all we need to do is to go through the end here: finalise cutoff of all remaining Russian energy supplies and bring energy markets back in balance after that, and achieve a full victory in Ukraine. Both is a lot cheaper than anyone could assume to "solve" Russian question once and forever: then it can simply be seen as a Russkistan we can forget about.
  - Larrikin 4y ago
    Whenever a comment seems too ridiculous to be a serious take, look through a couple pages of the posters history before replying seriously. It helps you waste less time.
assbuttbuttass 4y ago
> How will this be paid for? > This crisis is a profit-price spiral caused by wholesale gas and oil producers. There should be no more public subsidies for profiteering. Gas and oil companies should pay for this crisis in its entirety via their record profits.
- anovikov 4y ago
  This can be looked into and maybe a windfall profit tax is a good idea. In any case, for a country where the rich still spend their money inside not siphon it outside (plus lots and lots of other countries' rich bring in theirs to spend), it's like moving from one pocket to another. There will not be any net change in the economy.
  - simondotau 4y ago
    But any such tax would merely be passed onto the consumer and exacerbate the existing problem.
- nradov 4y ago
  Should gas and oil companies also receive special tax rebates in years when their profits are low? And how would you propose to make gas and oil companies based in foreign countries pay?
- rblatz 4y ago
  Then demand won’t drop, and energy will run out.

luciusdomitius 4y ago

Well, it is entirely the state's fault - it wasn't me who cut off the only reasonably priced supplier who can provide enough supply in the name of some retarded ideology...

anovikov 4y ago
You mean Russia? There is no way anyone in the free world will ever depend on it for anything, even if it means civil war or mass dieoff. Russia has to be suppressed or at least isolated from the West to the point it can be ignored. Secondly, UK never did. It never imported any considerable amounts of energy from Russia. What happens in UK now is consequence of lack of storage facilities "optimised" away by privatisation, combined with skyrocketing world prices because of Putin switching off gas (and no it wasn't done through sanctions, it was a one-sided Russian decision). What could the West do? Just allow occupation of Ukraine doing nothing? And in any case, UK could not do anything. It's not even a member of EU anymore to veto any sanctions if it wanted to. It just happened to UK, an indirect effect.
- luciusdomitius 4y ago
  Well, when your military is a joke after 30 years of underinvestment, this is what you do - watch by and squeak your teeth angrily. On top of that the will of actual Europeans regarding Ukraine is completely different: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Dutch_Ukraine%E2%80%93European_Union_Association_Agreement_referendum https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Dutch_Ukraine%E2%80%93Eur.... I forgot that in the "free" world, democracy and referendums don't really mean anything.
  - anovikov 4y ago
    Will the public accept going at war with Russia any easier than higher energy bills? I doubt it. We need Russia to become unable to exert any sort of political influence over the West, and two ways of doing it they had were the thereat of cutting off energy supplies (which has been realised, in case of oil and coal, from our side, and in case of gas, from their side, so it's no longer a threat and thus no longer a tool that can influence us), and the threat of invasion (which turned out to be a bluff because they can't even properly invade Ukraine). Now all we need to do is to go through the end here: finalise cutoff of all remaining Russian energy supplies and bring energy markets back in balance after that, and achieve a full victory in Ukraine. Both is a lot cheaper than anyone could assume to "solve" Russian question once and forever: then it can simply be seen as a Russkistan we can forget about.
- Larrikin 4y ago
  Whenever a comment seems too ridiculous to be a serious take, look through a couple pages of the posters history before replying seriously. It helps you waste less time.

assbuttbuttass 4y ago

> How will this be paid for? > This crisis is a profit-price spiral caused by wholesale gas and oil producers. There should be no more public subsidies for profiteering. Gas and oil companies should pay for this crisis in its entirety via their record profits.

anovikov 4y ago
This can be looked into and maybe a windfall profit tax is a good idea. In any case, for a country where the rich still spend their money inside not siphon it outside (plus lots and lots of other countries' rich bring in theirs to spend), it's like moving from one pocket to another. There will not be any net change in the economy.
- simondotau 4y ago
  But any such tax would merely be passed onto the consumer and exacerbate the existing problem.
nradov 4y ago
Should gas and oil companies also receive special tax rebates in years when their profits are low? And how would you propose to make gas and oil companies based in foreign countries pay?
rblatz 4y ago
Then demand won’t drop, and energy will run out.