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> The nice thing about indoor space is that we can make pretty much as much of it as we'd like. What? Have you ever been in Lisbon? The city is pretty dense as
by capableweb 4y ago
> The nice thing about indoor space is that we can make pretty much as much of it as we'd like.
What? Have you ever been in Lisbon? The city is pretty dense as it is. You could mostly just build higher, and that has its limits too, depending on the structure and foundation.
Adding more housing outside the core of the city might not be attractive enough. And increasing the density of people also means you need to increase the density of services (public and private) and utilities, which also comes with its own problem.
- FerociousTimes 4y agoWhy does everyone want to live in Lisbon? There are other decent metropolises in Portugal and other fun spots around the country not to get crammed in the capital.
- the_gipsy 4y agoThat's where job opportunities are, and that's why more housing will increase the opportunities, and then the price of housing...
- FerociousTimes 4y agoFor a post-Covid world where remote job opportunities are on the rise, this is becoming less and less of a pressing matter. People can work from nearby towns where housing costs are relatively moderate and just hit the head office in Lisbon one or two times a week. Corporations and people need to adapt to the changing circumstances and to be open to make the necessary adjustments to advance in this world.
- hadlock 4y agoLibson is a global city, easy air access to pretty much everywhere in europe/us/asia, good international schools, low cost of living, and very importantly, very mild, california-like weather. Once you have kids, you need access to good international schools so that they can integrate back into US public schools/colleges without getting left behind academically. Also you have access to a lot more culture and night life than out in the country. For young people the dating pool in large cities is very deep. Getting out of Libson/Porto as an expat, dating can be difficult if you're not a fluent speaker of the local language, and Portuguese is wildly different from Spanish when spoken, even though they look similar on paper.
- jonathanstrange 4y agoUsually for work-related reasons.
- epolanski 4y agoEven outside it. Took a train to Sintra, there were endless and endless 6 story-miles long buildings forever. Portugal seems insanely dense.
- asah 4y agolol Lisbon is crowded. Lisbon: 6,452/km2 Barcelona: 16,000/km2 NYC: 25,000+/km2 (depends on the source) Lower East Side NYC: 33,600/km2 - due to zoning regs, there are very few buildings over 9 stories... but every building is 9 stories! Lower East Side NYC 1910: 144,000+/km2 - visit https://www.tenement.org/ https://www.tenement.org/ to learn more. Kowloon Walled City, 1970s: ~2M/km2 !!! - inspiring 1000s of dystopian Sci Fi stories from Akira to Blade Runner. https://www.google.com/search?q=Kowloon+Walled+City https://www.google.com/search?q=Kowloon+Walled+City http://demographia.com/db-nyc-sector1800.htm http://demographia.com/db-nyc-sector1800.htm
- renewiltord 4y agoHave you been to San Francisco? Lisbon: 100.05 km^2 , 544k people San Francisco: 121.48 km^2, 873k people 20% more room than Lisbon, 60% more people.
- aperson_hello 4y agoAnd SF isn't exactly a model of good urban planning either. It could double or triple its density and be just fine!
- Aeolun 4y ago40 story skyscrapers with apartments in the city center should solve the issue.
- midoridensha 4y agoThey can build higher than that. New apartment/condo towers in Tokyo are routinely over 50 stories, and that's in a place that gets earthquakes routinely.
- Valakas_ 4y agoYep. Gotta love even more cars and people / m2, as if traffic wasn't bad enough as it is. Some people really just think the solution is to cram more people into an already overflowing place. And please don't compare with SF or NY. Those are definitely not models. Everyone knows how shit the traffic is there. A good urban planning will limit population density by, among others, limiting height of buildings.