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The JREs guest roster only has two flavors. Right wing and "I'd rather not go too much in depth about my politics". There were maybe 5 episodes in the history o

The JREs guest roster only has two flavors. Right wing and "I'd rather not go too much in depth about my politics". There were maybe 5 episodes in the history of the show where Joe is confronted with left wing talking points, and aside from the Bernie episode it was always an accident. Notably, the one other exception is Joe calling bullshit on Ben Shapiro's claims. The show has never invited anyone in favor of affirmative trans healthcare, for instance. But they did invite Debra Soh and Abigail Shier almost purely because they were against it. But because the JRE pretends it's a free speech zone where no opinion is unheard, it creates a very biased view of public opinion in viewers. A division into "the woke mob" of ideologues and the "intellectual dark web" of people that are supposedly free of ideology. The show is massively contributing to what it says it hates.

Veen 4y ago
> The show has never invited anyone in favor of affirmative trans healthcare, for instance. He’s had Blaire White on.
- sascha_sl 4y ago
  Blair White is a hardline transmedicalist who called usage of puberty blockers "child abuse" and self-describes as "center-right". She might be trans, but she really is on one ideological line with Shrier und Soh. I'm not sure if White would call for all transition to be banned when opportunistic (as some members of the GOP do now), whereas I have doubts about Shrier and Soh being honest about finding transition acceptable in principle, but that's really the only difference. Or are we not talking about the same person?
- remote_phone 4y ago
  He also had Kristin Beck, former Navy Seal who is transgender. The parent post is someone who doesn’t listen to Rogan, and a perfect example of someone that casts Rogan as a transphobe because he dares to not tow 100% of the views that they want him to. This type of philosophical fascism is what is ruining our world today.
  - sascha_sl 4y ago
    - Veen 4y ago
      It's interesting you name two trans women who have said how much they enjoy beating the shit out of cisgender women. In Fallon's case, she boasted about fracturing an opponent's skull.
      - sascha_sl 4y ago
        What are you appealing to here? It's one of the most extreme forms of contact sports, but it's sanctioned. Injuries are commonplace, not something trans people exclusively inflict. And how is it related to the question at all? I am not interested in discussing if Fallon Fox is a good person, good sport or good representative of trans people. I'm discussing Joe Rogan calling her a man being indicative of transphobia on the JRE. Just like OJ Simpson being convicted would not justify calling him the slur with N.
        hirundo 4y ago
        > It's one of the most extreme forms of contact sports, but it's sanctioned. Injuries are commonplace, not something trans people exclusively inflict. For a competitor who has grown up with the (extreme in the case of contact sports) benefit of male hormones to compete with someone without that benefit is something new, at least in this era. It makes injuries more likely ... to the competitor with the female hormone profile. A lot of us feel that it isn't fair. Whatever the explanation, it appears to be a man beating up a woman. Because biologically it is. Sanctioned or not, consensual or not, that's not my preferred entertainment.
        sascha_sl 4y ago
        I didn't sign up to discuss this, but I'm very careful with people that have only started claiming to care about women's sports after this became a culture war issue. There are a lot of armchair takes that are obviously misinformed about the mechanics of HRT, and a lot of ignoring that most contact sports are already grouped into weight classes exactly because gender is a bad discriminator. I would be in favor of sporting bodies deciding these things on a discipline-by-discipline basis, but at this point christian conservative think tanks (like the ADF) became involved and it has all just turned into such a shitshow that I don't trust anyone in these bodies to be impartial anymore either. If you're interested in a nuanced discussion, may I recommend Mia Mulder[1]? I promise, it's not a straight up arguing for one side exclusively video essay. [1]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HdT1PvJDRo4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HdT1PvJDRo4
seper8 4y ago
You know he had Bernie Sanders on right? And not Trump? LOL.
- sascha_sl 4y ago
  I literally did mention that as one notable exception?
  - nradov 4y ago
    And Andrew Yang and Tulsi Gabbard and the list goes on...
    - sascha_sl 4y ago
      I'll be impressed if he has Hasan Piker on. That's not just a random bar I set, it's been pretty heavily requested - but everyone knows it wouldn't happen because of prior criticism. Even Tim Pool invites people to the left of the liberal democratic baseline (that I'd call center-right at best, but I'm also used to a more european notion of left and right) occasionally. Why not the JRE? The Bernie interview was great, but it was a tactical campaign move. He wasn't going to be too contrarian with Joe when the audience is Joe's.
    - Cesura 4y ago
      Are these supposed to be examples of leftists? Tulsi recently filled in as a host on Tucker Carlson's show...the same show actively peddling the Great Replacement theory (among other far-right conspiracies) to millions of Americans.
      - nradov 4y ago
        Yes, Tulsi Gabbard is a leftist based on any rational analysis of her actual voting record. https://www.govtrack.us/congress/members/tulsi_gabbard/412532 https://www.govtrack.us/congress/members/tulsi_gabbard/41253... She might not be as far left as you would prefer, but there is no doubt she is on the left side of the US political spectrum. (And please don't bother wasting our time with that tired old trope about the Democrats being equivalent to center-right party in European politics. We're not in Europe.)

Veen 4y ago

> The show has never invited anyone in favor of affirmative trans healthcare, for instance. He’s had Blaire White on.

sascha_sl 4y ago
Blair White is a hardline transmedicalist who called usage of puberty blockers "child abuse" and self-describes as "center-right". She might be trans, but she really is on one ideological line with Shrier und Soh. I'm not sure if White would call for all transition to be banned when opportunistic (as some members of the GOP do now), whereas I have doubts about Shrier and Soh being honest about finding transition acceptable in principle, but that's really the only difference. Or are we not talking about the same person?
remote_phone 4y ago
He also had Kristin Beck, former Navy Seal who is transgender. The parent post is someone who doesn’t listen to Rogan, and a perfect example of someone that casts Rogan as a transphobe because he dares to not tow 100% of the views that they want him to. This type of philosophical fascism is what is ruining our world today.
- sascha_sl 4y ago
  - Veen 4y ago
    It's interesting you name two trans women who have said how much they enjoy beating the shit out of cisgender women. In Fallon's case, she boasted about fracturing an opponent's skull.
    - sascha_sl 4y ago
      What are you appealing to here? It's one of the most extreme forms of contact sports, but it's sanctioned. Injuries are commonplace, not something trans people exclusively inflict. And how is it related to the question at all? I am not interested in discussing if Fallon Fox is a good person, good sport or good representative of trans people. I'm discussing Joe Rogan calling her a man being indicative of transphobia on the JRE. Just like OJ Simpson being convicted would not justify calling him the slur with N.
      - hirundo 4y ago
        > It's one of the most extreme forms of contact sports, but it's sanctioned. Injuries are commonplace, not something trans people exclusively inflict. For a competitor who has grown up with the (extreme in the case of contact sports) benefit of male hormones to compete with someone without that benefit is something new, at least in this era. It makes injuries more likely ... to the competitor with the female hormone profile. A lot of us feel that it isn't fair. Whatever the explanation, it appears to be a man beating up a woman. Because biologically it is. Sanctioned or not, consensual or not, that's not my preferred entertainment.
        sascha_sl 4y ago
        I didn't sign up to discuss this, but I'm very careful with people that have only started claiming to care about women's sports after this became a culture war issue. There are a lot of armchair takes that are obviously misinformed about the mechanics of HRT, and a lot of ignoring that most contact sports are already grouped into weight classes exactly because gender is a bad discriminator. I would be in favor of sporting bodies deciding these things on a discipline-by-discipline basis, but at this point christian conservative think tanks (like the ADF) became involved and it has all just turned into such a shitshow that I don't trust anyone in these bodies to be impartial anymore either. If you're interested in a nuanced discussion, may I recommend Mia Mulder[1]? I promise, it's not a straight up arguing for one side exclusively video essay. [1]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HdT1PvJDRo4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HdT1PvJDRo4

seper8 4y ago

You know he had Bernie Sanders on right? And not Trump? LOL.

sascha_sl 4y ago
I literally did mention that as one notable exception?
- nradov 4y ago
  And Andrew Yang and Tulsi Gabbard and the list goes on...
  - sascha_sl 4y ago
    I'll be impressed if he has Hasan Piker on. That's not just a random bar I set, it's been pretty heavily requested - but everyone knows it wouldn't happen because of prior criticism. Even Tim Pool invites people to the left of the liberal democratic baseline (that I'd call center-right at best, but I'm also used to a more european notion of left and right) occasionally. Why not the JRE? The Bernie interview was great, but it was a tactical campaign move. He wasn't going to be too contrarian with Joe when the audience is Joe's.
  - Cesura 4y ago
    Are these supposed to be examples of leftists? Tulsi recently filled in as a host on Tucker Carlson's show...the same show actively peddling the Great Replacement theory (among other far-right conspiracies) to millions of Americans.
    - nradov 4y ago
      Yes, Tulsi Gabbard is a leftist based on any rational analysis of her actual voting record. https://www.govtrack.us/congress/members/tulsi_gabbard/412532 https://www.govtrack.us/congress/members/tulsi_gabbard/41253... She might not be as far left as you would prefer, but there is no doubt she is on the left side of the US political spectrum. (And please don't bother wasting our time with that tired old trope about the Democrats being equivalent to center-right party in European politics. We're not in Europe.)