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Big mushroom fan. But isn’t all the sodium and crap they add to it to make it taste like bacon, mostly what makes bacon unhealthy to begin with? The saturated
by sudden_dystopia 4y ago
Big mushroom fan. But isn’t all the sodium and crap they add to it to make it taste like bacon, mostly what makes bacon unhealthy to begin with? The saturated fat aspect is debatable or at least not completely settled.
I don’t eat bacon much anyway so I definitely wouldn’t eat this on a consistent basis due to all the sodium but I’d try it for the novelty.
- presidentender 4y agoWhether it's any healthier doesn't really matter to me. I'm excited to be able to enjoy bacon without paying for the inefficiency of raising animals.
- c16 4y agoSadly fake meat is just as expensive if not more expensive than meat.
- oblak 4y agoAll fake meat products that I can find here in Bulgaria are considerably more expensive than meat. I an not saying impossible burger is more expensive than kobe stakes, though. It's mostly speculation, imho, as people are willing to spend more on these products. Some of these things are just as bad, if not worse, than cheap real meat. Back in the before going full veggies, I've tasted some horrible things that should be illegal. I am baffled people are willing to eat factory chicken, pork, etc. Shit is disgusting even if you don't care about the horrible lives of all the animals
- pvaldes 4y agoFortunately, in fact. This protects the rights of the majority that want bacon and not fakesomething silently replacing their food overnight. If the product is not meat, shouldn't be tagged as meat.
- _yoqn 4y agoFungus != meat
- horsawlarway 4y agoDon't really think that's going to happen. Pork is one of the cheapest meats you can raise. Just the spore costs to produce a lb of mushrooms can rival the total cost to raise a lb of pork (commercial pork can be as cheap as $64/CWT carcass weight - so $0.64/lb. Mushroom spore can be as high as $1.00 in spore costs to generate 1lb of mushroom). Processing the meat will raise costs, but it's hardly like mushrooms have low care/processing costs (If you don't know, they often require clean room levels of care to ensure proper spores without contamination). There's a reason white mushrooms (unsliced) goes for $4.49/lb at my local Kroger, and the boneless pork goes for $1.99/lb. I don't see this ever being cheaper.
- sibane 4y agoWhat do you mean by spore costs? Wouldn't most large scale farming operations work with liquid cultures based on live mycelium? Liquid cultures are easy to multiply and inject into pasteurized substrate with needles. Once the mycelium has taken over the growing medium, it also no longer needs to be kept in a fully sterile environment. I'm not at all convinced a pound of mushrooms is worth that much more than pork. Are you sure it's not the meat industry subsidies that are keeping the price down?
- VLM 4y agoThere don't seem to be subsidies for Pork. There was a "Small Hog Operation Payment" last century that paid $10 per hog for the first 500 hogs sold by a farm, according to wikipedia, but they got rid of that a long time ago. That is well under 10% the sale price of a hog. The problem mushrooms have is scale, much like spices. We can grow 20K acres of mechanized corn, but mushrooms are a little less mechanized. So its to be expected for mushrooms to cost as much as basil or cilantro per pound.
- binbashthefash 4y agoIt's the exact opposite where I'm at in the EU. I picked up 400 grams of king oysters from the market for 2 euros yesterday.
- KMnO4 4y agoI think their target demographic is vegetarians/vegans who are trying to reduce their footprint or use of animal products. > consumers will likely be willing to give it a shot—especially knowing that it’s easier on animals and on the planet. The ultra-health-conscious will still probably avoid it. Oreos are also vegan and not very healthy.
- helsinkiandrew 4y ago> I think their target demographic is vegetarians/vegans who are trying to reduce their footprint or use of animal products. Presumably that was a typo and you meant non vegetarians/vegans?
- HeyImAlex 4y agoI think it was more describing the rationale of the specific vegetarians/vegans; some do it more for health reasons, some for environmental/ethical reasons.
- novantadue 4y agoSeems a lot cheaper to grow mushrooms than raise pigs.
- brainzap 4y agonot sure man, mushrooms need food too. Pigs can eat waste, can mushroom eat waste?
- boomchinolo78 4y agoBacon is pretty unsaturated fat and thus quite unhealthy.
- VLM 4y agolipid hypothesis was disproven a long time ago.
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- hombre_fatal 4y agoDoesn't seem like it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lipid_hypothesis#Consensus https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lipid_hypothesis#Consensus
- nradov 4y agoStop spreading misinformation with that old myth. https://peterattiamd.com/how-did-we-come-to-believe-saturated-fat-and-cholesterol-are-bad-for-us/ https://peterattiamd.com/how-did-we-come-to-believe-saturate...
- hombre_fatal 4y agoFunnily enough the HN comment actually demonized unsaturated fat, not saturated fat. But that link doesn't seem to contain any information.
- kuprel 4y agoI don’t understand why vegans try to mimic things. I have no problem eating vegetables and mushrooms but I would never eat bacon made of mushrooms. The devil deals in deception.
- Qem 4y agoProbably most vegans are converts, raised by meat-eating families, that later decided to adhere to a meat-free diet. The problem is, once your taste-sense and food preferences are conditioned in childhood, it's hard to change them as a adult. So people seek alternatives compatible with what they are used to.
- brnt 4y agoActually, I have found this difficulty is exaggerated. I moved country twice and maried from another still: all involved significant changes to my diet. Yes, there is a mental hurdle, but like learning languages, by doing it repeatedly, it gets easier. Also, the rewards are exploring tasty new food universes!
- Klonoar 4y agoFood is more than just nutrition; it’s culture and art and probably more. Substitutes are important for these reasons as they allow people to enjoy without violating their diet/ethics concerns/whatever. They’re not harming anyone by existing so I frankly don’t see why this complaint comes up in every thread on the internet. Just don’t eat it if you don’t want it, meat isn’t going away.
- coffee_beqn 4y agoIt’s also really hard for most people to think of what to cook at the end of a long day. Meatballs and potatoes is the first thing that pops to my head and turning that into brussel sprouts and potatoes sounds unappetizing but impossible meatballs and potatoes is quite close especially if I add a sauce. I guess that’s the cultural imprint. I do also care about the animals and the environmental impact and it’s just extremely naive to think that a large part of humanity would switch from meat-based diets to tofu and steamed veggies. People are lazy and like tasty easy things.
- nradov 4y agoEven the sodium in bacon isn't necessarily unhealthy. The issues with sodium causing hypertension and metabolic disorders are due to complex interactions involving genetics as well as intake of water, fructose, and other nutrients. So we can't say that "sodium = bad", or even that people should limit themselves to a particular maximum level of sodium intake (within reason). https://peterattiamd.com/rickjohnson2/ https://peterattiamd.com/rickjohnson2/
- VLM 4y agoWith healthy kidneys the half life of salt in the body is about half a day, maybe less. Even with destroyed kidneys, excess will be emitted in sweat, assuming the patient exercises enough to sweat... The chronic high blood pressure problem comes from destroyed kidneys being unable to excrete the salt fast enough. Bacon being a rather low carb food (as long as you don't maple glaze it or whatever, which admittedly is delicious...) the problem kind of takes care of itself in that lower carb foods tend to be higher sodium but the lower carb levels result in less damage to the kidneys, and healthy kidneys are not bothered by sodium ... The worst case scenario would be "foods" that are both salty and high carb, which is mostly junk food and fast food.
- boringg 4y agoThe sodium isn't a problem. It's the saturated fat + the nitrates.