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> Some may argue that there's no need to be dramatic and that there's nothing wrong in seeing an occasional ad every now and then. Oh, no, I am very dramatic a
by rendall 4y ago
> Some may argue that there's no need to be dramatic and that there's nothing wrong in seeing an occasional ad every now and then.
Oh, no, I am very dramatic about this. I will go to any lengths not to see advertising. I will entirely forgo any platform that shows me even one ad, especially when I pay them. Amazon Prime video is already pushing it with their preroll previews. The second it's something else I'm canceling and going back to P2P. Fuck 'em.
- blibble 4y agoI cancelled prime due to those prerolls I've already bought the service... why show me ads for it?
- weberer 4y agoThey already started showing ads to people with Twitch Prime a few years ago. It seems like its only a matter of time.
- mrweasel 4y agoIf you're paying for Twitch Prime, but still getting ads, then what are you paying for exactly? Less ads? Sadly I think it's what happens when companies are pushed to generate more and more profit each year. So you you start just a few ads to the paying users, because: "They won't mind one short ad" and then suddenly it's all ads all the time. It does make you wonder exactly how ads are so profitable and which products are paying the whole thing. It almost can't be electronics, because ads apparently help finance TVs and phones as well.
- hhjinks 4y agoIsn't Twitch Prime just the extras you get alongside a regular Prime subscription? I'm pretty sure Twitch Turbo is the no ads thing.
- haunter 4y ago>If you're paying for Twitch Prime, but still getting ads, then what are you paying for exactly One free monthly sub + all the free games and DLCs. Cost me 4€ a month and I also have access to the Amazon Prime Video catalog. It's a very very good deal. There is Twitch Turbo which removes ads but it's an entirely different product https://www.twitch.tv/turbo https://www.twitch.tv/turbo
- sjsdaiuasgdia 4y agoWhile not a solution for every Twitch viewer, sending the video from a browser or the Android app to a Chromecast device gets rid of ads.
- Datagenerator 4y agoJust cancelled Disney+ with the one worded reason: commercials
- rendall 4y agoWow. Thanks for the head's up. I have Disney+ and have not yet seen this, but I'm done as soon as it does.
- scarface74 4y agoIt’s not true. Disney+ is adding a lower cost ad free tier. The current plan doesn’t have ads.
- djbebs 4y agoThat lower cost ad plan is the same cost as the current plan with no ads.
- darkwater 4y agoNow. Just like when food companies sells the same package as before (or a slightly bigger version) as "now with 20% free product!" and after a few months, they remove the free product discount. Price increased, less people noticed it.
- scarface74 4y agoI’m sure people will notice if for instance HBO only sold a version with commercials after having an ad free product since 1980.
- darkwater 4y agoSure. But Disney+ in 12 months will have the ad-based version at today's ad-free prices. (And the ad-free subscription at a premium price.
- 1ncorrect 4y agoAdvertising needs to become as socially acceptable as smoking. It indiscriminately pollutes the environment, and inflicts harm on non participants by incentivising unbridled data collection.
- werds 4y agothis is a bit silly
- AlexandrB 4y agoMaybe, maybe not. The mental effects of products optimized for delivering advertising don't seem to be great for people or society (see: Meta's products, Twitter, TikTok).
- whimsicalism 4y agoCigarettes cause cancer. Some people (not me) actually get value from ads and AFAIK they don't cause cancer.
- kadoban 4y agoNo direct cancer, no, they only affect what you think, feel, say, eat, drink and do. Edit: also who you vote for, what laws are passed, who goes to prison, who lives and who dies. But no they don't _directly_ give you cancer.
- afavour 4y agoCigarettes also feel great to the people smoking them.
- A4ET8a8uTh0 4y agoThis actually is a very valid argument. Cigarettes actually provide value to the user. Yes, there are negatives, but the user typically knows those and decides the upside is worth the risk. Do people know the risks of being profiled by ad companies? I am not sure most people can even begin to understand the associated risk. The few attempts to show people what companies know about you were shut down pretty hard.
- zppln 4y agoYup. It's kind of incredible how these platforms are fucking up their services. Like, all they had to do was to provide the content in a way more convenient than pirating, but they've managed to go down a path where the experience get more and more user hostile by the day.
- Workaccount2 4y agoIn my experience, most users are aloof idiots and do not even notice it.
- ericmay 4y agoInvasive advertising is a form of violence.
- Karsteski 4y agoWords have meaning. I despise the insertion of ads in every form of media, but it is not violence. That's just silly.
- ericmay 4y agoWe have precedent for mental and emotional harm. I'd argue that invasive advertisements including but not limited to ads that make you remember catchy jingles, billboards on highways, ads that specifically target you based on profiling ("addictive") etc. are or can be emotional and mental harm. Ever hear the phrase "stuck in my head"? This happens with commercial jingles all the time. What if I don't want it to be stuck in my head but I happen to hear it? Seems akin to assault, especially if I'm not explicitly opting in to that behavior. It seems strange only because being blasted with advertisements 24/7 is normalized.
- Karsteski 4y ago
- themitigating 4y agoIf you asked most people, out of this context, if remembering an ad jingle or having one stuck if their head had a negative, positive, or neutral effect on them what would they say? I don't have any studies, but this is the first time I've heard anyone state this as a negative. Most people don't seem bothered or might even associate a good time with some jingle.
- anthony_d 4y agoNone of that changes word meanings. Violence is physical: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Violence https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Violence
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- unclebucknasty 4y agoIt's the principle. This probably sounds over the top, but at some point it feels like they're saying they own you. You're paying them for one service, and they'll unilaterally decide it's not enough and they are going to make more money on you. But they don't do it via a price increase that gives you a fair opportunity to decide on the value exchange. They just start shoving this stuff on you. And worst of all, it's your time they're taking to do it. The one thing there's never enough of, and that you'll never get back.
- sjamaan 4y agoThis puts into words a feeling I've had for a very long time, thank you!
- the_snooze 4y agoA lot of consumer-facing tech follows the same dynamic as an abusive relationship. "I want to know everything about you and who you talk to." "I decide what's best for you." "You can't leave." I can't help but conclude that the engineers complicit with this are deeply broken people.
- matheusmoreira 4y agoIt's not just our time! It's also our limited attention. They think they have a right to it, they even think they can sell it off to the highest bidder. As if it belonged to them.
- have_faith 4y agoDitto. I got rid of windows shortly after they introduced ads in the OS. It really doesn't matter to me that there are technical ways of blocking them, I don't want to have to think about it or play cat and mouse with them. When it comes to websites I really wouldn't care if they blocked my access because I use an ad blocker. I don't feel any entitlement to their content and they have no entitlement to what displays on my machine.
- geophile 4y agoSame.
- welder 4y ago> Some may argue that there's no need to be dramatic and that there's nothing wrong in seeing an occasional ad every now and then. Not just that, it also means having thousands of companies know every show or movie you ever watched: > [tv manufacturer] shared IP addresses of its consumers with the data aggregators who then would find a person or a household to which it belonged.
- welder 4y agoAlso, knowing which ads you've seen is more valuable than the shows you've watched. Think how much advertisers are paying TV manufacturers to know the conversion rate of their latest TV ads.
- vonwoodson 4y agoDesire is the cause of suffering. Advertising, in its way, generates desire where there was once none and therefore causes suffering. And, it does so on industrial mass-scale! Worst of all, there is no mechanism, at all, to restore the bliss advertising has destroyed. Because, money cannot buy confidence, friendship, fulfillment, or (most famously) happiness. So, once exposed, you have no way to regain what has been obliterated from your soul. Advertising is not harmless, adblocking is not immoral, and your well-being is more important than anyone’s profits.
- m463 4y agoIt should be mentioned that "advertising" is not "showing an ad". it is collecting and selling detailed information about people's activities and behaviors.
- ouid 4y agoits both
- matheusmoreira 4y agoCompletely agree. Advertising is NOT okay, ever. There is no acceptable amount of advertising. I couldn't care less how much money it costs them.
- secret-noun 4y agoIt feels like a Clockwork Orange's aversion therapy eyelid-clamper thing sometimes. I mute the volume for ads to take away some of that edge. It's one of the few things I can control about it.
- ouid 4y agowhy not use an adblocker?
- jbirer 4y agoThe gaslighting by companies is pretty sickening. There's nothing acceptable about ads on a device that I did not ask for.
- thiht 4y agoEspecially when it comes in an update months after you bought your device. Looking at you Android TV.
- b0afc375b5 4y agoI don't know when or how it happened, but seeing or hearing even a single ad infuriates me. The best explanation I can come up with is that it wastes my time, and I value time above all else. I have never bought or purchased anything advertised online. And nowadays I consciously try to avoid products that I see on online ads.
- LionTamer 4y ago> The best explanation I can come up with is that it wastes my time, and I value time above all else. Yes.
- brewdad 4y agoI dumped Prime a couple months ago. So far the only consequence has been having to use an alternate platform to watch a specific movie and I have much less random "stuff" arriving in my mailbox/front porch now that I have to give some thought about shipping costs for cheap items.
- sidewndr46 4y agoAmazon Prime Video showing preroll ads is massively dumb on their part. I'm already paying you and already actively using your service. I specifically have a Prime subscription because it gives me access to a huge catalog of obscure sci-fi & horror films. Really awful stuff. I'm not interested in the latest content you paid some outrageous amount to acquire the licensing rights to.