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It's surprising that Mitchell Bakers still is Mozilla's CEO. Firefox has been bleeding users for years, but no change in the command.

coffeeblack 4y ago
It’s 2022, it doesn’t surprise me.
influx 4y ago
"In 2018 she received a total of $2,458,350 in compensation from Mozilla, which represents a 400% payrise since 2008.[14] On the same period, Firefox marketshare was down 85%. When asked about her salary she stated "I learned that my pay was about an 80% discount to market. Meaning that competitive roles elsewhere were paying about 5 times as much. That's too big a discount to ask people and their families to commit to." In 2020, after returning to the position of CEO, her salary had risen to over $3 million. In the same year the Mozilla Corporation laid off approximately 250 employees due to shrinking revenues. Baker blamed this on the Coronavirus pandemic."
- jackmott 4y ago
- testing7787 4y ago
- LudwigNagasena 4y ago
  What market is she talking about? Does the market for the executives of declining browsers that lost their market share and have no clear prospects command such wages?
  - jiggawatts 4y ago
    I've been offered over 2x as much as her to drive a browser into the ground, but I rejected the offer because my family wouldn't accept the shame of accepting such a meagre offer. /s
  - laweijfmvo 4y ago
    > What market is she talking about? I guess that would be the CEOs of Google (Chrome), Microsoft (Edge), and Apple (Safari)...
    - solarkraft 4y ago
      That would be hilarious
- jjulius 4y ago
  This alone makes me want to stop using it. I won't, because the alternatives are worse, but goddamnit that's gross.
- djbusby 4y ago
  Why not move to a job that pays more if you're qualified? I hate that CEO comp goes up just "because market" but staff wages are stagnant or lost entirely.
  - pseudalopex 4y ago
    She said her pay was 80% below market. Not is. Why move if you can stay and get paid the same?
- fleddr 4y ago
  There must be something in the water in California. Mozilla excessively prides itself on progressive signaling, whilst internally running the place like the most cruel neoliberal companies out there.
  - SllX 4y ago
    The problem is that we took the LSD out of the water.
  - the_only_law 4y ago
    > Mozilla excessively prides itself on progressive signaling, whilst internally running the place like the most cruel neoliberal companies out there. Isn’t this just most companies?
    - deleted 4y ago
      [deleted]
    - fleddr 4y ago
      Definitely, this is just an extreme version of it.
  - Ekaros 4y ago
    Isn't that the typical way of these companies signal hell out and then be fully neoliberal. Signalling after all is pretty cheap. Or at best couple million even for big companies.
- ekianjo 4y ago
  > I learned that my pay was about an 80% discount to market. And your performance is actually much worse than 80% discount in other companies. Any CEO with such results would be fired in 2 years anywhere else. > Baker blamed this on the Coronavirus pandemic. Sure, always blame external factors for your own incompetence. That's what politicians do every morning during breakfast.
- artdigital 4y ago
  I wanted to support firefox but when I first read this a whil eback it made me lose all sympathy and support for Mozilla. As long as she's the head, I won't be using their services and products
smegsicle 4y ago
> Steve stood out to us because of his extensive experience at tech and internet companies where he played instrumental roles in shaping products from research, design, security, development, and getting them out to market, and also because he was the only seemingly qualified candidate that didn't call me an incompetent overpaid retard to my face.
ZeroGravitas 4y ago
I believe Mozilla has been losing market share, but not users, while the market has grown substantially, often on platforms that have banned alternative browsers. Maybe that's now changed, but if it has, and Mozilla is actually losing users, I'd say it probably has more to do with those platforms choices than any particular woman you don't like.

coffeeblack 4y ago

It’s 2022, it doesn’t surprise me.

influx 4y ago

"In 2018 she received a total of $2,458,350 in compensation from Mozilla, which represents a 400% payrise since 2008.[14] On the same period, Firefox marketshare was down 85%. When asked about her salary she stated "I learned that my pay was about an 80% discount to market. Meaning that competitive roles elsewhere were paying about 5 times as much. That's too big a discount to ask people and their families to commit to." In 2020, after returning to the position of CEO, her salary had risen to over $3 million. In the same year the Mozilla Corporation laid off approximately 250 employees due to shrinking revenues. Baker blamed this on the Coronavirus pandemic."

jackmott 4y ago
testing7787 4y ago
LudwigNagasena 4y ago
What market is she talking about? Does the market for the executives of declining browsers that lost their market share and have no clear prospects command such wages?
- jiggawatts 4y ago
  I've been offered over 2x as much as her to drive a browser into the ground, but I rejected the offer because my family wouldn't accept the shame of accepting such a meagre offer. /s
- laweijfmvo 4y ago
  > What market is she talking about? I guess that would be the CEOs of Google (Chrome), Microsoft (Edge), and Apple (Safari)...
  - solarkraft 4y ago
    That would be hilarious
jjulius 4y ago
This alone makes me want to stop using it. I won't, because the alternatives are worse, but goddamnit that's gross.
djbusby 4y ago
Why not move to a job that pays more if you're qualified? I hate that CEO comp goes up just "because market" but staff wages are stagnant or lost entirely.
- pseudalopex 4y ago
  She said her pay was 80% below market. Not is. Why move if you can stay and get paid the same?
fleddr 4y ago
There must be something in the water in California. Mozilla excessively prides itself on progressive signaling, whilst internally running the place like the most cruel neoliberal companies out there.
- SllX 4y ago
  The problem is that we took the LSD out of the water.
- the_only_law 4y ago
  > Mozilla excessively prides itself on progressive signaling, whilst internally running the place like the most cruel neoliberal companies out there. Isn’t this just most companies?
  - deleted 4y ago
    [deleted]
  - fleddr 4y ago
    Definitely, this is just an extreme version of it.
- Ekaros 4y ago
  Isn't that the typical way of these companies signal hell out and then be fully neoliberal. Signalling after all is pretty cheap. Or at best couple million even for big companies.
ekianjo 4y ago
> I learned that my pay was about an 80% discount to market. And your performance is actually much worse than 80% discount in other companies. Any CEO with such results would be fired in 2 years anywhere else. > Baker blamed this on the Coronavirus pandemic. Sure, always blame external factors for your own incompetence. That's what politicians do every morning during breakfast.
artdigital 4y ago
I wanted to support firefox but when I first read this a whil eback it made me lose all sympathy and support for Mozilla. As long as she's the head, I won't be using their services and products

smegsicle 4y ago

> Steve stood out to us because of his extensive experience at tech and internet companies where he played instrumental roles in shaping products from research, design, security, development, and getting them out to market, and also because he was the only seemingly qualified candidate that didn't call me an incompetent overpaid retard to my face.

ZeroGravitas 4y ago

I believe Mozilla has been losing market share, but not users, while the market has grown substantially, often on platforms that have banned alternative browsers. Maybe that's now changed, but if it has, and Mozilla is actually losing users, I'd say it probably has more to do with those platforms choices than any particular woman you don't like.