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Overrun by influencers, historic sites are banning TikTok creators in Nepal

203 points by elsewhen 4y ago

elzbardico 4y ago
We in the west should have banned Instagram in historic sites years ago too
lancesells 4y ago
Anyone else think it's odd that the signage[1] is so aged after a year or two? [1] https://restofworld.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/07/IMG-20220711-WA0003.jpg https://restofworld.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/07/IMG-20220...
- bobthepanda 4y ago
  Nepal is in the top ten polluted countries measured by PM2.5. https://kathmandupost.com/climate-environment/2020/10/21/one-more-report-ranks-nepal-among-most-polluted-countries-in-the-world https://kathmandupost.com/climate-environment/2020/10/21/one... At that level, things outside just get dirty.
sudden_dystopia 4y ago
Interesting given Nepals close relations to China (they help put down anti China rhetoric of Tibetan refugees and strictly adhere to one China principle) that Nepal gets the western version of Tik tok and not the super serious Chinese version.
ryankrage77 4y ago
When I went to Iceland a few years ago, various tourist spots had 'no drone' signs. There was still a drone or two in the air at every one of them. I expect these signs in Nepal will be ignored too.
jmyeet 4y ago
I find this phenomenon of essentially mass gloating to be really depressing form the perspective of human psychology. I mean this has caused problems well beyond Nepal [1]. Hundreds have died taking selfies [2]. It's just so sad that the need for approval and envy ruins tourist spots and kills people. Nepal is an interesting case because the country is really impoverished and really depends on the income from mountaineering. The result however is that Everest in particular is way too crowded and it kills people as people get stuck in the death zone [3]. All essentially for a less than 30 minute photo op at the top. There are a bunch of mountains over 8,000m in height. Some are even much more difficult to climb than Everest (eg K2). But people go to Everest to be a couple of hundred meters higher for the bragging rights and they're quite willing to endanger themselves and others to get there. I really don't understand this. [1]: https://www.insider.com/travel-destinations-instagram-influencers-ruined-2019-7 https://www.insider.com/travel-destinations-instagram-influe... [2]: https://www.npr.org/2019/05/06/720800572/hundreds-have-died-in-selfie-related-deaths-since-2011 https://www.npr.org/2019/05/06/720800572/hundreds-have-died-... [3]: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-britain-everest-casualties-idUSKCN1T713M https://www.reuters.com/article/us-britain-everest-casualtie...
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anm89 4y ago
I think a lot of significant sites would do well to ban photography and video entirely. People are upset that Venice will turn into a museum with entrance passes and so on and few people will live there. I think that's yhe best realistic case for a lot of these places. So many of them are already unenjoyable to visit, blanketed in trash, herding lines of people from busses to take a few pictures and be loud for a few minutes before stampeding back to where they came.
MomoXenosaga 4y ago
There was an interesting idea in my country that predictably got massacred in the media: A CO2 budget. High enough that poor people could still fly to Spain once a year low enough to block yuppies from sightseeing Nepal or New York. Obviously the wealthy would never allow it- virtue signaling on HN about how long they use their iPhone is one thing.
politelemon 4y ago
While I understand the intent of the freedom of expression campaigners statements and those by "content producers", they are missing important context and assuming they are without blame. The "content producers" are not interested in the location itself, only what the location can give them, which is engagement numbers on their platform. The sanctity of the location itself is of little relevance. It's that singular focus which is the problem here, not any kind of curtailment of freedom of expression. And even with such freedoms you shouldn't expect no consequences. These loose bans are the consequence, and I'm willing to bet that at no point would other tiktok users or expression campaigners have asked their fellows to behave themselves. After all there are other people who visit these locations and aren't needed to be told to respect it.
- mlsu 4y ago
  My girlfriend is a "content producer." She makes travel/restaurant/"location" content. Because she is large enough, she does not make content for someplace unless they pay her, unless she really just likes the place. People frequently bemoan that she is "spoiling" or "ruining" the places that she is promoting -- because they don't know that the place is paying her! I really want everyone who travels to realize: no, it's not content producers who are ruining it. It's YOU. YOU are ruining these places. You are going there, putting your footprints on the trails, using the restroom, polluting the parking lot. You are responsible. You are the one who wants only what the location can give you -- a pretty view, a life changing epiphany, an "authentic" view at a different culture, a different experience. And what do you give back? Your purchase at the gift shop? You're the selfish one. And, you're the stupid one, because you're not even getting paid for it! Of course, I don't really believe that. At least not 100%. I do think travel is inherently a selfish act, just like eating at a restaurant is a selfish act. It's alright to be selfish: really, it's OK. Because if it's not OK, that means that it's not OK to live at all. DFW puts it better than I do [0]: As I see it, it probably really is good for the soul to be a tourist, even if it’s only once in a while. Not good for the soul in a refreshing or enlivening way, though, but rather in a grim, steely-eyed, let’s-look-honestly-at-the-facts-and-find-some-way-to-deal-with-them way. [...] To be a mass tourist, for me, is to become a pure late-date American: alien, ignorant, greedy for something you cannot ever have, disappointed in a way you can never admit. It is to spoil, by way of sheer ontology, the very unspoiledness you are there to experience. It is to impose yourself on places that in all noneconomic ways would be better, realer, without you. It is, in lines and gridlock and transaction after transaction, to confront a dimension of yourself that is as inescapable as it is painful: As a tourist, you become economically significant but existentially loathsome, an insect on a dead thing. [0] http://www.columbia.edu/~col8/lobsterarticle.pdf http://www.columbia.edu/~col8/lobsterarticle.pdf
yftsui 4y ago
Poor / no cellular coverage at national parks is such a nice thing to have, thanks to the “influencers”.
- ghuntley 4y ago
  Cough Starlink. It changes everything…
- Gigachad 4y ago
  How would that help? They can record with no connection and post it later. Only limited from livestreaming.
  - tinus_hn 4y ago
    It’s a start and also chances are the people who insist on broadcasting every second of their drama filled life do not like being out of coverage.
  - soco 4y ago
    I think OP means those ruin cell bandwidth too.
beilabs 4y ago
I live in Nepal. The country has some really wonderful regulations across all sectors, very few of them ever enforced.
groffee 4y ago
I hate that "influencer" is even a thing.
- bcraven 4y ago
  Would you prefer "advertiser"? I would suggest there's no boundary between the two terms.
  - Karupan 4y ago
    “Marketing shill” sounds better
    - vidanay 4y ago
      Is "douche bag" not accurate?
      - MichaelCollins 4y ago
        It's accurate but imprecise.
- teddyh 4y ago
  They used to be called “celebrities”. But words die out and are replaced with the generations, like the word “rave” replaced “disco”, even though they are essentially the same thing.
  - mod 4y ago
    I doubt the GP is taking offense to the term influencer. I'm also disappointed influencers exist (in their current social media state, anyway), but I'm glad we have a term for it. I don't especially care which term we use.
  - ausbah 4y ago
    I don't think so. the audience size most influencers cater to is miles smaller than anything you'd consider to be a celebrity's stuff in the range of 10k-1M IG follower tops or something
Beldin 4y ago
> "Officials should have requested TikTok content producers to respect the sanctity of the religious places, instead of banning something outright.” No, they really should not. Apply Will Wheaton's Rule; in case of doubt (whether that rule applies): don't. If you're not mature enough to do that, that's a problem; if there are a large number of ignorant folks like you, that's a very good reason for banning something outright.
- TedDoesntTalk 4y ago
  > Apply Will Wheaton's Rule; in case of doubt (whether that rule applies): don't. Where can I read more about this rule?
  - Beldin 4y ago
    Sorry; in a nutshell: "don't be a dick". e.g. [1]. [1] https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/wheatons-law https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/wheatons-law
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WalterBright 4y ago
> content creators I suppose as a programmer I am a "content creator", but, like, gag me with a spoon. I've seen a handful of those popular clips on youtube, always with a 20-something presenter with coke-fueled loud yelling into the camera, too-bright colors, quick clips, kindergarten animations. Always the blaring pitch to subscribe. Barf. Yeah, I'm an old man, so I'm immune to the attraction of it.
- satellite2 4y ago
  No, as a programmer usually you're a container creator, not a content creator.
- RGamma 4y ago
  The word content has been mangled so much it merely means "audiovisual stimulus" now. No substance needs to be involved.
- smcl 4y ago
  Nahh don't worry I don't think you qualify as "content creator", even if you create code that could be thought of as "content" or to be honest even if you're a streamer who live-codes or something.To me what this usually refers to is video produced by "influencers" (or wannabe influencers), produced to a schedule purely to drive clicks and engagement. (edit: originally I tried to work in a fast-food metaphor here, but it did not land at all) I wonder if you're like me at all - I kinda recoil when I encounter these people talking about creating "content" or selling "product". Just sounds like people are creating slop for their hogs to consume.
  - jstarfish 4y ago
    > Just sounds like people are creating slop for their hogs to consume. I've always been put off by the concept of Facebook's "feed" [trough], but my wife pointed out that the whole "influencer"/"follower" dichotomy mirrors the power dynamics and verbiage of a cult.
  - bena 4y ago
    I think because the term "content" has become a little nebulous. As programmers, we are content creators, we are creating content. Programs are content. But it's a specific type of content. Actors, directors, writers, singers, songwriters, butchers, bakers, and event the candlestick makers. But they all create specific types of content. Due to the ubiquitousness of recording equipment, the availability of publishing platforms, and the ability to transmit globally, the future where everyone will get their 15 minutes of fame is here. But it's really hard to pin down what kind of content is being created. Pretend I am a "content creator". I took a picture of my lunch. But it's not serious enough to be "photography". The picture isn't designed to be high art. It's ephemeral. It's taken to demonstrate that I am having this for lunch. And while I may take pains to shoot it well, there are limits. The goal isn't to say anything about the food or society at large. The burger is just a burger. But it's got to go up. The feed must be fed. Gotta keep up engagement. So what the fuck did I just create? "Content". The persona of my social media is the goal of the content creation. I am essentially selling you a parasocial relationship with me. Come hang out on my feeds. Watch me live my life, engage with my posts as you would a friend. That's the disconnect you're feeling. You're not buying into the parasocial relationship these people are trying to foster.
flr03 4y ago
TikTok is not the problem here, so thy are missing the points with the No TikTok signs. If they are annoyed by people dancing and recording themselves they should have a "Please no recording devices and no dancing" sign.
- mgbmtl 4y ago
  "no tiktok" is short, and easy to understand to non-native English speakers.
  - o_1 4y ago
    Tik-tok has and continues to encourage social disruption in public places. It erodes self-goverance in favor artifical interaction. I provokes attention seeking nature through means of excessive absurdity. Class Clown as a Service.
  - ncpa-cpl 4y ago
    > "no tiktok" is short, and easy to understand to non-native English speakers. Funny thing is that for Portuguese speakers it could be understood as "In Tiktok"
- josefx 4y ago
  Recording doesn't seem the problem, neither is dancing. Being loud, annoying and damaging everything around you to make a viral video is. And since the TikTok crowd doesn't know the meaning of "respectful", "quiet" or "DO NOT BREAK" they had to phrase it in a way they would understand. I wouldn't be surprised if there were already signs that mention the other points for normal people.
koonsolo 4y ago
When I was young in the 90's we used to go to music festivals. It was nice to be with your friends, just relax and enjoy some music. Years ago I went back to the same festival, and what I notice what changed immensely was that everyone was taking pictures and selfies with smartphones. It was so weird to see. Plus, what used to be a Rock festival was now a Pop festival (everyone needed to be there). Somehow nowadays, you don't only enjoy yourself, but you have to broadcast it that you're enjoying yourself. For me, that takes away a big part of the enjoyment. I'll stop my old man's rant now ;).
- ravenstine 4y ago
  Same usually happens at any metal show I go to. I remember when people actually immersed themselves in the experience. Now they stand completely still, mouth a gape, and film the whole thing on their phones as if no one else will do so and upload it to YouTube later. Given how supposedly unhappy people are, I think society really needs a spiritual awakening.
  - bobthepanda 4y ago
    I do this at concerts, but mostly because I feel like a lot of venues I go to are flat, and as a short person there is almost always a sea of taller people blocking my eye-level view.
    - withinboredom 4y ago
      Ugh, you just reminded me of a random concert in a park I went to a few weeks ago. Everyone was just chilling on their blankets watching the show. As more and more people showed up, they just started standing around all the people with kids on the blankets, blocking our view. We ended up leaving pretty early because it became pointless once people literally started standing on our stuff. I swear, venues oversell things to the point where it is too crowded to actually enjoy it.
  - slothtrop 4y ago
    I go to a lot of metal shows and don't share that experience. There's always a pit. Maybe one or two guys taking a picture/video, but that's it.
aaron695 4y ago
xtiansimon 4y ago
> “They need to play the same music over and over again to get that perfect shot…” Sounds disrespectful. What’s the issue? Actual harm to TikTok freedom of expression or that memes* are rotting our brains? * memes a la Dennett, Blackmore
mikewarot 4y ago
The first thought I had was that this was a Chinese Government imposed policy to stop anyone from discussing non-Han history and culture. I'm surprised to learn that, at least in theory, Tibet is still a separate country from Red China.

203 points by elsewhen 4y ago

We in the west should have banned Instagram in historic sites years ago too

Anyone else think it's odd that the signage[1] is so aged after a year or two? [1] https://restofworld.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/07/IMG-20220711-WA0003.jpg https://restofworld.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/07/IMG-20220...

bobthepanda 4y ago
Nepal is in the top ten polluted countries measured by PM2.5. https://kathmandupost.com/climate-environment/2020/10/21/one-more-report-ranks-nepal-among-most-polluted-countries-in-the-world https://kathmandupost.com/climate-environment/2020/10/21/one... At that level, things outside just get dirty.

sudden_dystopia 4y ago

Interesting given Nepals close relations to China (they help put down anti China rhetoric of Tibetan refugees and strictly adhere to one China principle) that Nepal gets the western version of Tik tok and not the super serious Chinese version.

ryankrage77 4y ago

When I went to Iceland a few years ago, various tourist spots had 'no drone' signs. There was still a drone or two in the air at every one of them. I expect these signs in Nepal will be ignored too.

jmyeet 4y ago

I find this phenomenon of essentially mass gloating to be really depressing form the perspective of human psychology. I mean this has caused problems well beyond Nepal [1]. Hundreds have died taking selfies [2]. It's just so sad that the need for approval and envy ruins tourist spots and kills people. Nepal is an interesting case because the country is really impoverished and really depends on the income from mountaineering. The result however is that Everest in particular is way too crowded and it kills people as people get stuck in the death zone [3]. All essentially for a less than 30 minute photo op at the top. There are a bunch of mountains over 8,000m in height. Some are even much more difficult to climb than Everest (eg K2). But people go to Everest to be a couple of hundred meters higher for the bragging rights and they're quite willing to endanger themselves and others to get there. I really don't understand this. [1]: https://www.insider.com/travel-destinations-instagram-influencers-ruined-2019-7 https://www.insider.com/travel-destinations-instagram-influe... [2]: https://www.npr.org/2019/05/06/720800572/hundreds-have-died-in-selfie-related-deaths-since-2011 https://www.npr.org/2019/05/06/720800572/hundreds-have-died-... [3]: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-britain-everest-casualties-idUSKCN1T713M https://www.reuters.com/article/us-britain-everest-casualtie...

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anm89 4y ago

I think a lot of significant sites would do well to ban photography and video entirely. People are upset that Venice will turn into a museum with entrance passes and so on and few people will live there. I think that's yhe best realistic case for a lot of these places. So many of them are already unenjoyable to visit, blanketed in trash, herding lines of people from busses to take a few pictures and be loud for a few minutes before stampeding back to where they came.

MomoXenosaga 4y ago

There was an interesting idea in my country that predictably got massacred in the media: A CO2 budget. High enough that poor people could still fly to Spain once a year low enough to block yuppies from sightseeing Nepal or New York. Obviously the wealthy would never allow it- virtue signaling on HN about how long they use their iPhone is one thing.

politelemon 4y ago

While I understand the intent of the freedom of expression campaigners statements and those by "content producers", they are missing important context and assuming they are without blame. The "content producers" are not interested in the location itself, only what the location can give them, which is engagement numbers on their platform. The sanctity of the location itself is of little relevance. It's that singular focus which is the problem here, not any kind of curtailment of freedom of expression. And even with such freedoms you shouldn't expect no consequences. These loose bans are the consequence, and I'm willing to bet that at no point would other tiktok users or expression campaigners have asked their fellows to behave themselves. After all there are other people who visit these locations and aren't needed to be told to respect it.

mlsu 4y ago
My girlfriend is a "content producer." She makes travel/restaurant/"location" content. Because she is large enough, she does not make content for someplace unless they pay her, unless she really just likes the place. People frequently bemoan that she is "spoiling" or "ruining" the places that she is promoting -- because they don't know that the place is paying her! I really want everyone who travels to realize: no, it's not content producers who are ruining it. It's YOU. YOU are ruining these places. You are going there, putting your footprints on the trails, using the restroom, polluting the parking lot. You are responsible. You are the one who wants only what the location can give you -- a pretty view, a life changing epiphany, an "authentic" view at a different culture, a different experience. And what do you give back? Your purchase at the gift shop? You're the selfish one. And, you're the stupid one, because you're not even getting paid for it! Of course, I don't really believe that. At least not 100%. I do think travel is inherently a selfish act, just like eating at a restaurant is a selfish act. It's alright to be selfish: really, it's OK. Because if it's not OK, that means that it's not OK to live at all. DFW puts it better than I do [0]: As I see it, it probably really is good for the soul to be a tourist, even if it’s only once in a while. Not good for the soul in a refreshing or enlivening way, though, but rather in a grim, steely-eyed, let’s-look-honestly-at-the-facts-and-find-some-way-to-deal-with-them way. [...] To be a mass tourist, for me, is to become a pure late-date American: alien, ignorant, greedy for something you cannot ever have, disappointed in a way you can never admit. It is to spoil, by way of sheer ontology, the very unspoiledness you are there to experience. It is to impose yourself on places that in all noneconomic ways would be better, realer, without you. It is, in lines and gridlock and transaction after transaction, to confront a dimension of yourself that is as inescapable as it is painful: As a tourist, you become economically significant but existentially loathsome, an insect on a dead thing. [0] http://www.columbia.edu/~col8/lobsterarticle.pdf http://www.columbia.edu/~col8/lobsterarticle.pdf

yftsui 4y ago

Poor / no cellular coverage at national parks is such a nice thing to have, thanks to the “influencers”.

ghuntley 4y ago
Cough Starlink. It changes everything…
Gigachad 4y ago
How would that help? They can record with no connection and post it later. Only limited from livestreaming.
- tinus_hn 4y ago
  It’s a start and also chances are the people who insist on broadcasting every second of their drama filled life do not like being out of coverage.
- soco 4y ago
  I think OP means those ruin cell bandwidth too.

beilabs 4y ago

I live in Nepal. The country has some really wonderful regulations across all sectors, very few of them ever enforced.

groffee 4y ago

I hate that "influencer" is even a thing.

bcraven 4y ago
Would you prefer "advertiser"? I would suggest there's no boundary between the two terms.
- Karupan 4y ago
  “Marketing shill” sounds better
  - vidanay 4y ago
    Is "douche bag" not accurate?
    - MichaelCollins 4y ago
      It's accurate but imprecise.
teddyh 4y ago
They used to be called “celebrities”. But words die out and are replaced with the generations, like the word “rave” replaced “disco”, even though they are essentially the same thing.
- mod 4y ago
  I doubt the GP is taking offense to the term influencer. I'm also disappointed influencers exist (in their current social media state, anyway), but I'm glad we have a term for it. I don't especially care which term we use.
- ausbah 4y ago
  I don't think so. the audience size most influencers cater to is miles smaller than anything you'd consider to be a celebrity's stuff in the range of 10k-1M IG follower tops or something

Beldin 4y ago

> "Officials should have requested TikTok content producers to respect the sanctity of the religious places, instead of banning something outright.” No, they really should not. Apply Will Wheaton's Rule; in case of doubt (whether that rule applies): don't. If you're not mature enough to do that, that's a problem; if there are a large number of ignorant folks like you, that's a very good reason for banning something outright.

TedDoesntTalk 4y ago
> Apply Will Wheaton's Rule; in case of doubt (whether that rule applies): don't. Where can I read more about this rule?
- Beldin 4y ago
  Sorry; in a nutshell: "don't be a dick". e.g. [1]. [1] https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/wheatons-law https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/wheatons-law
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WalterBright 4y ago

> content creators I suppose as a programmer I am a "content creator", but, like, gag me with a spoon. I've seen a handful of those popular clips on youtube, always with a 20-something presenter with coke-fueled loud yelling into the camera, too-bright colors, quick clips, kindergarten animations. Always the blaring pitch to subscribe. Barf. Yeah, I'm an old man, so I'm immune to the attraction of it.

satellite2 4y ago
No, as a programmer usually you're a container creator, not a content creator.
RGamma 4y ago
The word content has been mangled so much it merely means "audiovisual stimulus" now. No substance needs to be involved.
smcl 4y ago
Nahh don't worry I don't think you qualify as "content creator", even if you create code that could be thought of as "content" or to be honest even if you're a streamer who live-codes or something.To me what this usually refers to is video produced by "influencers" (or wannabe influencers), produced to a schedule purely to drive clicks and engagement. (edit: originally I tried to work in a fast-food metaphor here, but it did not land at all) I wonder if you're like me at all - I kinda recoil when I encounter these people talking about creating "content" or selling "product". Just sounds like people are creating slop for their hogs to consume.
- jstarfish 4y ago
  > Just sounds like people are creating slop for their hogs to consume. I've always been put off by the concept of Facebook's "feed" [trough], but my wife pointed out that the whole "influencer"/"follower" dichotomy mirrors the power dynamics and verbiage of a cult.
- bena 4y ago
  I think because the term "content" has become a little nebulous. As programmers, we are content creators, we are creating content. Programs are content. But it's a specific type of content. Actors, directors, writers, singers, songwriters, butchers, bakers, and event the candlestick makers. But they all create specific types of content. Due to the ubiquitousness of recording equipment, the availability of publishing platforms, and the ability to transmit globally, the future where everyone will get their 15 minutes of fame is here. But it's really hard to pin down what kind of content is being created. Pretend I am a "content creator". I took a picture of my lunch. But it's not serious enough to be "photography". The picture isn't designed to be high art. It's ephemeral. It's taken to demonstrate that I am having this for lunch. And while I may take pains to shoot it well, there are limits. The goal isn't to say anything about the food or society at large. The burger is just a burger. But it's got to go up. The feed must be fed. Gotta keep up engagement. So what the fuck did I just create? "Content". The persona of my social media is the goal of the content creation. I am essentially selling you a parasocial relationship with me. Come hang out on my feeds. Watch me live my life, engage with my posts as you would a friend. That's the disconnect you're feeling. You're not buying into the parasocial relationship these people are trying to foster.

flr03 4y ago

TikTok is not the problem here, so thy are missing the points with the No TikTok signs. If they are annoyed by people dancing and recording themselves they should have a "Please no recording devices and no dancing" sign.

mgbmtl 4y ago
"no tiktok" is short, and easy to understand to non-native English speakers.
- o_1 4y ago
  Tik-tok has and continues to encourage social disruption in public places. It erodes self-goverance in favor artifical interaction. I provokes attention seeking nature through means of excessive absurdity. Class Clown as a Service.
- ncpa-cpl 4y ago
  > "no tiktok" is short, and easy to understand to non-native English speakers. Funny thing is that for Portuguese speakers it could be understood as "In Tiktok"
josefx 4y ago
Recording doesn't seem the problem, neither is dancing. Being loud, annoying and damaging everything around you to make a viral video is. And since the TikTok crowd doesn't know the meaning of "respectful", "quiet" or "DO NOT BREAK" they had to phrase it in a way they would understand. I wouldn't be surprised if there were already signs that mention the other points for normal people.

koonsolo 4y ago

When I was young in the 90's we used to go to music festivals. It was nice to be with your friends, just relax and enjoy some music. Years ago I went back to the same festival, and what I notice what changed immensely was that everyone was taking pictures and selfies with smartphones. It was so weird to see. Plus, what used to be a Rock festival was now a Pop festival (everyone needed to be there). Somehow nowadays, you don't only enjoy yourself, but you have to broadcast it that you're enjoying yourself. For me, that takes away a big part of the enjoyment. I'll stop my old man's rant now ;).

ravenstine 4y ago
Same usually happens at any metal show I go to. I remember when people actually immersed themselves in the experience. Now they stand completely still, mouth a gape, and film the whole thing on their phones as if no one else will do so and upload it to YouTube later. Given how supposedly unhappy people are, I think society really needs a spiritual awakening.
- bobthepanda 4y ago
  I do this at concerts, but mostly because I feel like a lot of venues I go to are flat, and as a short person there is almost always a sea of taller people blocking my eye-level view.
  - withinboredom 4y ago
    Ugh, you just reminded me of a random concert in a park I went to a few weeks ago. Everyone was just chilling on their blankets watching the show. As more and more people showed up, they just started standing around all the people with kids on the blankets, blocking our view. We ended up leaving pretty early because it became pointless once people literally started standing on our stuff. I swear, venues oversell things to the point where it is too crowded to actually enjoy it.
- slothtrop 4y ago
  I go to a lot of metal shows and don't share that experience. There's always a pit. Maybe one or two guys taking a picture/video, but that's it.

aaron695 4y ago

xtiansimon 4y ago

> “They need to play the same music over and over again to get that perfect shot…” Sounds disrespectful. What’s the issue? Actual harm to TikTok freedom of expression or that memes* are rotting our brains? * memes a la Dennett, Blackmore

mikewarot 4y ago

The first thought I had was that this was a Chinese Government imposed policy to stop anyone from discussing non-Han history and culture. I'm surprised to learn that, at least in theory, Tibet is still a separate country from Red China.