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Watch the January 6th hearings if there is any doubt in your mind. The evidence is laid out quite clearly.

by d23 4y ago

koolba 4y ago
> Watch the January 6th hearings if there is any doubt in your mind. The evidence is laid out quite clearly. If you can’t even summarize a crime in one sentence then it’s anything but “quite clear”.
- kccoder 4y ago
  His call to Georgia asking them to "find" the precise number of votes to overturn Joe Biden's win in that state is probably the lowest hanging fruit. That being said, based on the reporting, this search warrant appears to be related to the fifteen boxes of material that were inappropriately taken from the White House. If he were charged and convicted of crimes related to that he would potentially be barred from ever holding public office again. edit: details on the related statute => https://twitter.com/marceelias/status/1556794749377454080 https://twitter.com/marceelias/status/1556794749377454080
  - koolba 4y ago
    > His call to Georgia asking them to "find" the precise number of votes to overturn Joe Biden's win in that state is probably the lowest hanging fruit. Here’s the whole transcript from the conversation: https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-raffensperger-call-transcript-georgia-vote/2021/01/03/2768e0cc-4ddd-11eb-83e3-322644d82356_story.html https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-raffensperger-... He opens by saying he believes there is a large amount of fraudulent mail in ballots that would not match the signatures on record. And he keeps asking the Secretary of State to look into it as he expects to find substantial fraud. The “find me…” line is further down where he is saying the total number needed to change the result. He never asks for anyone to change votes or the results. He asks them to look into it because he believes there’s fraud. If there was anything remotely criminal in that conversation they’d have already charged him. > That being said, based on the reporting, this search warrant appears to be related to the fifteen boxes of material that were inappropriately taken from the White House. If he were charged and convicted of crimes related to that he would potentially be barred from ever holding public office again. That’s the dream but I think they’d settle for two more years of sham hearings to try to damage him as a candidate. Anything to distract from failings of the current administration.
    - dekhn 4y ago
      The word describing your comments is 'obtuse'. Are you knowingly ignoring the copious evidence from Trump's own henchman about his intents and desires here? Multiple people with direct involvement have said on the record that Trump repeatedly tried to subvert the election. The persecution of trump is not being carried to out distract people from the current administration. That's just nonsense. If you truly believe that, I'm not going to try to convince you, and further I think you're wasting people's time on this site by pretending you're being reasonable or responsible.
- rvz 4y ago
  Even when asked, they cannot even cite the so-called 'evidence' that is laid out 'clearly'. Assuming they have watched the so-called 'J6 hearings', it should be quite straightforward and easy to do so, but ever since they have started the hearings they have been struggling to mention a crime and summarize it in a single sentence. Which leads me to believe that they haven't watched it at all or have read only as far as the headlines of mainstream media articles (clipping and cutting out the hearings) to fit their headlines for extra clicks.
  - cmurf 4y ago
    Trump knowingly and willfully engaged in an attempt to defraud and deprive the American public from a free and fair election. He knew he lost the election. He supported the fake alternative Electors scheme, knew it was illegal. He supported the illegal scheme for the Vice President to unilaterally discard state certified Electors. He supported the murder of the Vice President. “Based on the evidence the court finds that it is more likely than not that President Trump and Dr Eastman dishonestly conspired to obstruct the joint session of Congress on January 6 2021,” -Judge David Carter, March 2022. The first clue of his autocratic tendency came just before the 2016 election when he would not agree to respecting the outcome of the election if he lost. His plan always had been, in business and then in politics, to lie about losing. In his mind its better to discredit a system of government than admit loss. He does not believe in the peaceful transition of power. And tried and succeeded in inciting a riot to try and prevent it. The attempt is the crime. And people were killed as a result of this plan.
- bediger4000 4y ago
  Say it with me: "Trump tried to stay in power via a violent coup."
  - thesis 4y ago
    Editing to not be so snarky. I can’t wrap my head around the coup thing. Trump said peacefully go to the capitol. So a bunch of people some which were let into the capitol (there’s a recent Jan 6 defendant let go due to the judge agreeing with this defense) went in. How could this lead to a coup or taking over the government? Is our country so fragile that occupying 1 building brings the whole system down?
    - kadoban 4y ago
      > Trump said peacefully go to the capitol. If that were the _only_ thing he did, he'd be in no trouble. You need to look at the whole picture, not crop out everything incriminating if you want to actually be able to see. He knew they were armed, knew they were violent, ramped up their anger and pointed them at the Capitol. He also very likely worked with radical paramilitary outfits like the Proud Boys and Oath Keepers and a few others that planned and executed violent attacks on the Capitol. Additionally, he refused to call off his supporters or to send in effective police or military until hours too late (or never really, last I heard only Pence did, and Trump never did). > Is our country so fragile that occupying 1 building brings the whole system down? Pretty much, yes. Our democracy is in many ways set up on the honor system. Trump and his conspirators planned to delay certification of the vote past the deadline and get the outcome of the election voted on by the House (in a special one-vote-per-state vote). This goes in tandem with their recruiting false electors, pressuring state legislatures, falsely asking the DOJ to announge phony investigations, etc.
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Watch the January 6th hearings if there is any doubt in your mind. The evidence is laid out quite clearly.

by d23 4y ago

Watch the January 6th hearings if there is any doubt in your mind. The evidence is laid out quite clearly.

> Watch the January 6th hearings if there is any doubt in your mind. The evidence is laid out quite clearly. If you can’t even summarize a crime in one sentence then it’s anything but “quite clear”.

kccoder 4y ago
His call to Georgia asking them to "find" the precise number of votes to overturn Joe Biden's win in that state is probably the lowest hanging fruit. That being said, based on the reporting, this search warrant appears to be related to the fifteen boxes of material that were inappropriately taken from the White House. If he were charged and convicted of crimes related to that he would potentially be barred from ever holding public office again. edit: details on the related statute => https://twitter.com/marceelias/status/1556794749377454080 https://twitter.com/marceelias/status/1556794749377454080
- koolba 4y ago
  > His call to Georgia asking them to "find" the precise number of votes to overturn Joe Biden's win in that state is probably the lowest hanging fruit. Here’s the whole transcript from the conversation: https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-raffensperger-call-transcript-georgia-vote/2021/01/03/2768e0cc-4ddd-11eb-83e3-322644d82356_story.html https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-raffensperger-... He opens by saying he believes there is a large amount of fraudulent mail in ballots that would not match the signatures on record. And he keeps asking the Secretary of State to look into it as he expects to find substantial fraud. The “find me…” line is further down where he is saying the total number needed to change the result. He never asks for anyone to change votes or the results. He asks them to look into it because he believes there’s fraud. If there was anything remotely criminal in that conversation they’d have already charged him. > That being said, based on the reporting, this search warrant appears to be related to the fifteen boxes of material that were inappropriately taken from the White House. If he were charged and convicted of crimes related to that he would potentially be barred from ever holding public office again. That’s the dream but I think they’d settle for two more years of sham hearings to try to damage him as a candidate. Anything to distract from failings of the current administration.
  - dekhn 4y ago
    The word describing your comments is 'obtuse'. Are you knowingly ignoring the copious evidence from Trump's own henchman about his intents and desires here? Multiple people with direct involvement have said on the record that Trump repeatedly tried to subvert the election. The persecution of trump is not being carried to out distract people from the current administration. That's just nonsense. If you truly believe that, I'm not going to try to convince you, and further I think you're wasting people's time on this site by pretending you're being reasonable or responsible.
rvz 4y ago
Even when asked, they cannot even cite the so-called 'evidence' that is laid out 'clearly'. Assuming they have watched the so-called 'J6 hearings', it should be quite straightforward and easy to do so, but ever since they have started the hearings they have been struggling to mention a crime and summarize it in a single sentence. Which leads me to believe that they haven't watched it at all or have read only as far as the headlines of mainstream media articles (clipping and cutting out the hearings) to fit their headlines for extra clicks.
- cmurf 4y ago
  Trump knowingly and willfully engaged in an attempt to defraud and deprive the American public from a free and fair election. He knew he lost the election. He supported the fake alternative Electors scheme, knew it was illegal. He supported the illegal scheme for the Vice President to unilaterally discard state certified Electors. He supported the murder of the Vice President. “Based on the evidence the court finds that it is more likely than not that President Trump and Dr Eastman dishonestly conspired to obstruct the joint session of Congress on January 6 2021,” -Judge David Carter, March 2022. The first clue of his autocratic tendency came just before the 2016 election when he would not agree to respecting the outcome of the election if he lost. His plan always had been, in business and then in politics, to lie about losing. In his mind its better to discredit a system of government than admit loss. He does not believe in the peaceful transition of power. And tried and succeeded in inciting a riot to try and prevent it. The attempt is the crime. And people were killed as a result of this plan.
bediger4000 4y ago
Say it with me: "Trump tried to stay in power via a violent coup."
- thesis 4y ago
  Editing to not be so snarky. I can’t wrap my head around the coup thing. Trump said peacefully go to the capitol. So a bunch of people some which were let into the capitol (there’s a recent Jan 6 defendant let go due to the judge agreeing with this defense) went in. How could this lead to a coup or taking over the government? Is our country so fragile that occupying 1 building brings the whole system down?
  - kadoban 4y ago
    > Trump said peacefully go to the capitol. If that were the _only_ thing he did, he'd be in no trouble. You need to look at the whole picture, not crop out everything incriminating if you want to actually be able to see. He knew they were armed, knew they were violent, ramped up their anger and pointed them at the Capitol. He also very likely worked with radical paramilitary outfits like the Proud Boys and Oath Keepers and a few others that planned and executed violent attacks on the Capitol. Additionally, he refused to call off his supporters or to send in effective police or military until hours too late (or never really, last I heard only Pence did, and Trump never did). > Is our country so fragile that occupying 1 building brings the whole system down? Pretty much, yes. Our democracy is in many ways set up on the honor system. Trump and his conspirators planned to delay certification of the vote past the deadline and get the outcome of the election voted on by the House (in a special one-vote-per-state vote). This goes in tandem with their recruiting false electors, pressuring state legislatures, falsely asking the DOJ to announge phony investigations, etc.
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