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I work on Google search, and have been posting in threads about it for quite some time here taking feedback, asking for examples to debug, and passing them on w

I work on Google search, and have been posting in threads about it for quite some time here taking feedback, asking for examples to debug, and passing them on when I get them.

horsawlarway 4y ago
If you're here taking feedback: This is sincerely my number one desire - Please let me turn on verbatim mode and leave it enabled. Ideally across my google account, but I'd settle for just that device/application.
- ratww 4y ago
  I would also love that. One request from me would be for them to bring back the + operator and favour it instead of quotes, since Google Plus integration doesn't seem to be a thing anymore.
  - moultano 4y ago
    Honestly I think using quotes for that is probably better, even though + was a bit less typing. You wouldn't believe how many people search for [tar -xvf] and are confused as to why none of their search results contain the string xvf. It's hard to come up with operators that are easy to type and will never collide with their normal meaning in language, and I think quotation marks work much better for that than + did.
    - ratww 4y ago
      That's a good point. Quotes are definitely better for some cases.
    - MerelyMortal 4y ago
      How about foo -"bar" to search for foo without bar?
  - dannysullivan 4y ago
    I explained elsewhere that it's very unlikely to come back because we actually do try to match + in queries now for thing like international phone numbers, and also as someone else noted, there's any number of names that make use of it (Disney+ for example).
    - solarkraft 4y ago
      That's actually a change I appreciate. I'm delighted short words and characters don't just get dropped unseen anymore.
- Karellen 4y ago
  I've been thinking about this. How about a heuristic of: If the user phrases their search as a natural language query ("what is...?", "how do I...", etc...) then use whatever weird relevancy metrics and search word substitution your research suggests will answer the question best. OTOH, if the user appears to phrase their search as just a list of keywords, search for all the words verbatim. They already do query classification for things like Google Calculator. Extending the classifier to switch between "natural language query" and "strict keyword search" seems like a reasonable extension of that idea.
  - horsawlarway 4y ago
    Ok - I totally understand the intent, but NOOOOOOOO!!!! (or more clearly: I have no problem with them trying this, but it doesn't solve my use case) The entire reason I ask is because I don't want google to try to interpret my search query and change it - I don't want it to guess what I'm looking for using [insert classifier of choice] - I want it to do as close to a text scan for the exact search query as I can get. Inconsistent tools are much harder to use. I really don't want to have to play a cat and mouse game with my search tool, and I don't want to have to have memorized all the "games" google is playing with my query and understand how to turn them off.
Geonode 4y ago
Please put image search back the way it was. Are the lawyers really afraid of Getty? Just buy them. :)
- Kye 4y ago
  I don't think the Getty family is hurting for money. Getty Images is likely a prestige business for them.
d0100 4y ago
I want to be able to search with wildcard POS and synonyms Person <verbs> blue chair Should return any text where someone does something to a blue chair (and it's synonyms or similars)
katbyte 4y ago
Please remove Pinterest, or at least lower their relevancy. So often when searching for images the are higher up then the source page the Pinterest image is from and don’t link back to it.
Der_Einzige 4y ago
I remember you and other from Google search trying to gaslight us in the comments, claiming that there was no problems with quotes. No problems huh? Why does this article exist? Lol the hubris at Google...
- moultano 4y ago
  The article describes UX changes to make it clearer that quotes are working as designed.
sixothree 4y ago
Let me hide pinterest results. Or just hide them yourself.
- moultano 4y ago
  This is more typing, but if you append -site:pinterest.com to your search, it will hide them.
  - pdimitar 4y ago
    That approach obviously doesn't scale. There are many content farms. You need to start hitting them, HARD.
- onychomys 4y ago
  This used to be a feature! https://googleblog.blogspot.com/2011/03/hide-sites-to-find-more-of-what-you.html https://googleblog.blogspot.com/2011/03/hide-sites-to-find-m...
aantix 4y ago
Why isn't there a reasonably priced Google Search API? Besides being overpriced, the last I checked, the results returned for the custom search didn't reflect what was returned from the normal search product.
Fabricio20 4y ago
While we have you here, can you guys take a look at why the Google Cache feature is very hard to find nowadays? It's almost as if most big sites don't have an option to see the cached version, and even when they do, finding the "Cached" button on desktop seems impossible, this started happening ever since the "More :" menu got redesigned (to show "about this result"), the cached button just isn't there sometimes. (Ex: Amazon).
- groffee 4y ago
  Even better is when they do show the 'cache' button but don't actually have anything cached, so if the site is down their 'cache' is broken. They think users are too stupid to notice.
nradov 4y ago
Remove the recency bias, or at least allow users to permanently disable it. There is no correlation between content age and quality. Allow users to permanently remove trash sites like Pinterest from all their search results on both web and mobile.
solarkraft 4y ago
Thanks for doing so! Are you doing it in an official capacity (i.e. wait ... do they actually care? google? talking to users?!?)? Maybe this is my chance to repeat something I asked the DuckDuckGo CEO today (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32366664 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32366664): Are you doing anything about SEO spam? It seems like Google often rewards low quality results: Sites with tons of ads or where I'm being shilled to buy a product that I'm looking for information on because I already have it. It's so bad that I've half-concluded it's due to misaligned incentives - keeping the user looking at the search results keeps Google collecting ad revenue and steering users to crappy sites full of ads also keeps Google collecting ad revenue.

I work on Google search, and have been posting in threads about it for quite some time here taking feedback, asking for examples to debug, and passing them on when I get them.

horsawlarway 4y ago

If you're here taking feedback: This is sincerely my number one desire - Please let me turn on verbatim mode and leave it enabled. Ideally across my google account, but I'd settle for just that device/application.

ratww 4y ago
I would also love that. One request from me would be for them to bring back the + operator and favour it instead of quotes, since Google Plus integration doesn't seem to be a thing anymore.
- moultano 4y ago
  Honestly I think using quotes for that is probably better, even though + was a bit less typing. You wouldn't believe how many people search for [tar -xvf] and are confused as to why none of their search results contain the string xvf. It's hard to come up with operators that are easy to type and will never collide with their normal meaning in language, and I think quotation marks work much better for that than + did.
  - ratww 4y ago
    That's a good point. Quotes are definitely better for some cases.
  - MerelyMortal 4y ago
    How about foo -"bar" to search for foo without bar?
- dannysullivan 4y ago
  I explained elsewhere that it's very unlikely to come back because we actually do try to match + in queries now for thing like international phone numbers, and also as someone else noted, there's any number of names that make use of it (Disney+ for example).
  - solarkraft 4y ago
    That's actually a change I appreciate. I'm delighted short words and characters don't just get dropped unseen anymore.
Karellen 4y ago
I've been thinking about this. How about a heuristic of: If the user phrases their search as a natural language query ("what is...?", "how do I...", etc...) then use whatever weird relevancy metrics and search word substitution your research suggests will answer the question best. OTOH, if the user appears to phrase their search as just a list of keywords, search for all the words verbatim. They already do query classification for things like Google Calculator. Extending the classifier to switch between "natural language query" and "strict keyword search" seems like a reasonable extension of that idea.
- horsawlarway 4y ago
  Ok - I totally understand the intent, but NOOOOOOOO!!!! (or more clearly: I have no problem with them trying this, but it doesn't solve my use case) The entire reason I ask is because I don't want google to try to interpret my search query and change it - I don't want it to guess what I'm looking for using [insert classifier of choice] - I want it to do as close to a text scan for the exact search query as I can get. Inconsistent tools are much harder to use. I really don't want to have to play a cat and mouse game with my search tool, and I don't want to have to have memorized all the "games" google is playing with my query and understand how to turn them off.

Geonode 4y ago

Please put image search back the way it was. Are the lawyers really afraid of Getty? Just buy them. :)

Kye 4y ago
I don't think the Getty family is hurting for money. Getty Images is likely a prestige business for them.

d0100 4y ago

I want to be able to search with wildcard POS and synonyms Person <verbs> blue chair Should return any text where someone does something to a blue chair (and it's synonyms or similars)

katbyte 4y ago

Please remove Pinterest, or at least lower their relevancy. So often when searching for images the are higher up then the source page the Pinterest image is from and don’t link back to it.

Der_Einzige 4y ago

I remember you and other from Google search trying to gaslight us in the comments, claiming that there was no problems with quotes. No problems huh? Why does this article exist? Lol the hubris at Google...

moultano 4y ago
The article describes UX changes to make it clearer that quotes are working as designed.

sixothree 4y ago

Let me hide pinterest results. Or just hide them yourself.

moultano 4y ago
This is more typing, but if you append -site:pinterest.com to your search, it will hide them.
- pdimitar 4y ago
  That approach obviously doesn't scale. There are many content farms. You need to start hitting them, HARD.
onychomys 4y ago
This used to be a feature! https://googleblog.blogspot.com/2011/03/hide-sites-to-find-more-of-what-you.html https://googleblog.blogspot.com/2011/03/hide-sites-to-find-m...

aantix 4y ago

Why isn't there a reasonably priced Google Search API? Besides being overpriced, the last I checked, the results returned for the custom search didn't reflect what was returned from the normal search product.

Fabricio20 4y ago

While we have you here, can you guys take a look at why the Google Cache feature is very hard to find nowadays? It's almost as if most big sites don't have an option to see the cached version, and even when they do, finding the "Cached" button on desktop seems impossible, this started happening ever since the "More :" menu got redesigned (to show "about this result"), the cached button just isn't there sometimes. (Ex: Amazon).

groffee 4y ago
Even better is when they do show the 'cache' button but don't actually have anything cached, so if the site is down their 'cache' is broken. They think users are too stupid to notice.

nradov 4y ago

Remove the recency bias, or at least allow users to permanently disable it. There is no correlation between content age and quality. Allow users to permanently remove trash sites like Pinterest from all their search results on both web and mobile.

solarkraft 4y ago

Thanks for doing so! Are you doing it in an official capacity (i.e. wait ... do they actually care? google? talking to users?!?)? Maybe this is my chance to repeat something I asked the DuckDuckGo CEO today (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32366664 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32366664): Are you doing anything about SEO spam? It seems like Google often rewards low quality results: Sites with tons of ads or where I'm being shilled to buy a product that I'm looking for information on because I already have it. It's so bad that I've half-concluded it's due to misaligned incentives - keeping the user looking at the search results keeps Google collecting ad revenue and steering users to crappy sites full of ads also keeps Google collecting ad revenue.