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Update: She's just landed in Taipei
by yrcyrc 4y ago
Update: She's just landed in Taipei
- whatever1 4y agoShowdown!
- rvz 4y ago
- MichaelCollins 4y agoThe CCP is embarrassing themselves, making threats they're to scared to carry through with, hoping the threat alone will be enough. Nancy Pelosi is flaunting those threats, showing the world that Xi Jinping has no clothes.
- thedudeabides5 4y agoThey go to Kinmen next, watch. Not today, but wheels in motion.
- MichaelCollins 4y agoMore threats. If the CCP weren't so chickenshit they would have shot her down, but they don't dare.
- FartyMcFarter 4y agoThey don't gain much (and can lose a lot) by shooting down an American politician, when what they care about is Taiwan itself if anything.
- dekhn 4y agoIn what world would it make sense for CCP to shoot down Nancy Pelosi's plane? What does it achieve?
- Rebelgecko 4y agoIn what world did it make sense for the CCP to kill all the sparrows?
- tetris11 4y agoNot a fantastic comparison. They were acting on the best information they had at the time. No one knew how important sparrows were to keeping locust populations down.
- Rebelgecko 4y agoIs it actually true that no one knew that? Or just that Mao didn't know (or didn't care because he thought it was important to bend nature to his will)? Did people not realize that sparrows at bugs until the 1960s?
- colpabar 4y agowhat a great use of our tax dollars!
- MichaelCollins 4y ago> what a great use of our tax dollars! Correct. It shows the world where the real balance of power lays and gives confidence to American allies that America is not a fair-weather friend that can be bullied out of its commitments by loudmouthed tyrants like Xi Jinping. This is excellent for American global interests.
- colpabar 4y ago
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- woweoe 4y agoThis is unrealistic from an Asian perspective. The US has actually lost three proxy wars with China on the other side (Korea, Vietnam, Afghanistan) and what is happening in Ukraine is a total mess that no Asian country wants to be in. The US also did not manage to unite the world (including most of the Asian continent) against Russia. The idea that the US will be willing defend Taiwan fiercely when the US did not do the same for Ukraine, against a foe that is much mightier than Russia, is silly. No country in the world wants to descend to the levels that Ukraine had gone.
- nradov 4y agoThe US is not an ally of Ukraine. We never had any kind of commitment to defend them. We give them weapons and other support as a way of knocking Russia down and preventing them from threatening our actual allies. The situation with Taiwan is completely different due to the Taiwan Relations Act of 1979, and official policy statements by multiple presidential administrations since then. The US would absolutely defend Taiwan against a major attack. The question is how far that commitment goes? If China uses tactical nuclear weapons at sea, would the US escalate or back off? No one knows what would really happen in that scenario...
- pseudo0 4y agoIt seems rather irresponsible to poke China in the eye like this, they are definitely going to scale up air, naval, and cyber intrusions in response. Very likely nothing significant will happen, but these heightened tensions increase the likelihood of accidentally sparking a real crisis.
- stefan_ 4y agoYes, it's the fault of the person visiting an independent island, it's not the delusional, raging dictatorship next to it.
- pseudo0 4y agoMessing with the carefully managed status quo is foolish. China cares a lot more about Taiwan than the US does, if we goad them into action on this issue it's going to be a repeat of Ukraine. We will send them some donations and put Taiwanese flags on social media, but they would get devastated and occupied.
- elteto 4y agoAre you sure China cares more about Taiwan than the US? Taiwan is a global, single point of failure for advanced CPU manufacturing. My guess is that the US will never allow this to fall in Chinese hands.
- cjbgkagh 4y agoAFAIK The confederate states of the US during the civil war thought that Europe would come to their aid to keep the price of cotton down. Cotton traders ended up making more money with the shortages so there was no incentive to do so. Expensive chips for a while is probably cheaper than WWIII.
- elteto 4y agoEh, I don’t think that anecdote is relevant. The production pipeline for cotton is extremely simple in comparison: add lots of manual labor plus land fertile for cotton and you get cotton. Many places on Earth would have fit that bill in those times. The US government can’t allow the Chinese to have absolute power and control over the technology that the _world_ runs on. It’s an existential threat. Can you imagine, at the height of the Cold War, the US outsourcing nuke construction to the Soviet Union?
- squarefoot 4y agoIt seems to me that everyone involved is taking a chance offered by other events, like China knowing that the US is helping Ukraine with weapons and would never want to be involved in two (indirect but potentially real) wars on multiple fronts, Russia knowing that the US is already committed to help Taiwan but don't want to piss off their allies China too much to avoid a direct military conflict, and the US knowing that Russia is in the worst possible economic shape and couldn't sustain an attrition war for much longer without risking either its collapse or resorting to nuclear.
- spurgu 4y agoWhat? The US is allied with China? Since when? And by what measures is Russia less able than the West to sustain the conflict in Ukraine? Many European countries have already complained that they aren't able to supply more weapons and IIRC the US has already given Ukraine 1/3 of its HIMARS missile supply. Not to mention how the West's energy supply chain is fucked as a result of all of this.
- squarefoot 4y ago> What? The US is allied with China? Since when? Since never; I wrote the exact opposite. About the rest, only time will tell.
- spurgu 4y agoOk sorry about that then, I suppose you can read it both ways: > Russia knowing that the US is already committed to help Taiwan but don't want to piss off their allies China too much 1. Russia knows the US is committed to help Taiwan but Russia don't want to piss off their allies China... 2. Russia knows the US is committed to help Taiwan but the US don't want to piss off their allies China... I'm sure a linguist could sort this out. :P Edit: Actually why would Russia interfere or react to China/Taiwan in any way, regardless of Ukraine?
- squarefoot 4y ago
- a1369209993 4y agoThat would be "flouting", actually; "flaunting" means showing off (as in "Nancy Pelosi is flaunting her disregard for those threats").
- humanistbot 4y agohttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China%27s_final_warning https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China%27s_final_warning
- throwaway4good 4y agoI guess that's funny in Russian. However the Soviet union is no more so who's laughing now.
- phantomathkg 4y agoBefore this "special operation", China out of the bleu announce suspension from important thousand of food from Taiwan. https://asia.nikkei.com/Politics/International-relations/US-China-tensions/China-bans-thousands-of-Taiwan-food-imports-as-Pelosi-trip-riles https://asia.nikkei.com/Politics/International-relations/US-...