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You have a sad feeling for a moment, then it passes
- Lapsa 4y agolearned about the game from "the website is down" vid like 10+ years ago. UnNetHack version felt best. ain't pro but eventually did manage to ascend with an elven wizard
- iAm25626 4y agoSusan Cain's book on the topic of Bittersweet seems apt.
- zwieback 4y agoI had no idea everything2 was still alive! Nice surprise
- SideburnsOfDoom 4y agoI'm seeing "504 Gateway Time-out" so maybe it isn't still alive? So yeah, I have a sad feeling for a moment about that, and then it passes.
- atemerev 4y agoYes, sure! And they still develop their engine, eCore, which has a fantastic architecture (e.g. it allows to develop Everything2 directly from browser when you go to "developer mode" — creating new nodetypes, page templates, rendering logic etc).
- uoaei 4y agoOff-topic, but is anyone else having deja vu? I remember this comment appearing under a post about everything2 a few weeks ago. Even the children of the comment above are reminiscent.
- marcinreal 4y ago> My own death, of course, which I learnt will come when I least expect it, when everything is going right for once - that when no threats are apparent and I feel I can relax a little, it will be then that I choke over a tin of spinach, or mistake a blue e for a blue o, or a pink h for a pink h. Just recently my wife developed a sudden and very aggressive infection. She's healthy and it totally came out of left field. Then it spread to me. It was definitely humbling. I don't believe in living in fear, but it's funny how everything can change in an instant. I have to commend the title though: > You have a sad feeling for a moment, then it passes Coming to understand the ephemeral nature of emotions is what finally allowed me deal with them. They're still real, but they always pass, no matter how strong they seem in the moment.
- dfbsdfbwe2ef2e 4y agoWhat infection?
- marcinreal 4y agoI don't want to say but she was in the hospital a few times.
- Cyberdog 4y agoI personally am still waiting on the "it passes" part.
- nvusuvu 4y agoSorry for your loss.
- charles_f 4y agoI weep with you, friend. Keep your eyes up, know that we feel for you.
- Gene_Parmesan 4y agoGrief is an enormously complicated emotional state that cannot be pithily summed up like that sentence. It's just a quote from a game. In my experience, it doesn't pass, as in disappear. Instead, the fact of the loss slowly becomes a new fact of your reality. The newness of it will pass. The rawness of the pain will fade - most of the time. There will always be things that bring the person right back sitting next to you. But you begin to re-make your life. If you continue to struggle and haven't already done so, I can recommend talking with a counselor (I hate the word therapist). Sometimes we just need to unload, but don't want to unload on/burden the other people in our life. Grief can be isolating in this way.
- _whiteCaps_ 4y agoI feel the same way - at least once a week I think to myself, I should tell my mom about something her grandchildren did, and then I remember she's not here any more.
- rhcom2 4y agohttps://archive.ph/SW2cn https://archive.ph/SW2cn
- throwaway81523 4y agoA somewhat interesting short essay about grief, inspired by the game of Nethack. The title comes from a message that appears in the game in certain situations. I remember everything2 which was sort of a forerunner of wikipedia, and better in some ways. The contributor community was much less obnoxious. I'm glad it is still around. It's been ages since I looked at it.
- pravus 4y ago> The title comes from a message that appears in the game in certain situations. As I recall this message appears when your pet dies but you weren't able to see it happen. It's definitely a sad feeling when you are a weak character with a strong pet doing most of the fighting.
- vannevar 4y ago>I remember everything2 which was sort of a forerunner of wikipedia, and better in some ways. E2 has the best karma system I've encountered online, which went a long way toward maintaining high quality content.
- mixmastamyk 4y agoInteresting, have a link that explains it?
- vonunov 4y agohttps://everything2.com/title/C%2521 https://everything2.com/title/C%2521
- beowulfey 4y agoHow does it work? I didn’t know E2 even had karma
- vannevar 4y agohttps://everything2.com/node/superdoc/The+Everything2+Voting%252FExperience+System?originalTitle=Voting%2FExperience%20System https://everything2.com/node/superdoc/The+Everything2+Voting... One key idea: "Try to vote according to the standard of writing, not because you agree or disagree with what someone has written." This is where HN's use of downvoting fails, it's often mistakenly used to signal disagreement rather than something off-topic or below site standards.
- ternus 4y agoContext, for non-Nethack players: Nethack is one of the original "roguelikes," back when that meant a text-console game based on `rogue`. It's an RPG where your character kills monsters, picks up loot, and descends into the dungeon. If you die, that's it -- you can't just load a save; you have to start all over. It's legendarily unforgiving. In Nethack, most (all?) roles start with a pet, e.g. a puppy or a kitten. In the early game, your pet is often stronger than you; it follows you, fights monsters, etc. It's useful in many ways beyond fighting: it won't walk over a cursed item, it can "fetch" items from stores without angering the proprietor, and so on. Your pet gains experience and levels up (puppy -> dog -> large dog), and after a certain point you're prompted to give your pet a name. The message "You have a sad feeling for a moment, then it passes" is displayed when your pet dies while out of sight. It's pretty difficult to keep your pet alive all through the endgame, so much like any real-life pet owner, there will come a time where you have to say goodbye, one way or the other.
- stickfigure 4y agoPets also feature strongly in the late game. Two of the best items in the game are a scroll of taming (converts nearby monsters to pets) and a magic whistle (summons your pets). Eventually there's no point in fighting yourself; blow your whistle and let your pet dragon army clear the room.
- flyinghamster 4y agoPurple worms also make magnificent pets. Genning up a fleet of pet purple worms and teleporting them away can make life a lot easier on the Astral Plane. Burrrrp!
- cbanek 4y agoI love the family dragon army! But why bother using taming scrolls when you can polymorph control yourself into a dragon (taking off your armor first!) and then sitting to make eggs where they are actual family! Blood may be thicker than water, but dragon scales even thicker than blood!
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- agnos 4y ago"You have a sad feeling for a moment, then it passes" A poetic, bittersweet line. In a way, the sadness is the "good" part, when you feel the most longing for what's been lost. The real loss is forgetting.
- Pxtl 4y agoYeah, I know it's tacky to reference an MCU show, but Wandavision's defining line was "what is grief but love persevering?" which kind of implies the sad inverse -- that once we pick ourselves up and carry on, it necessarily means that the love isn't persevering quite so hard.
- CoastalCoder 4y ago> "what is grief but love persevering?" It's certainly poetic, but I don't think it's accurate.
- AdamH12113 4y agoHidden gems like this were one of the great things about Everything2. For those who aren't familiar with it, E2 is structured vaguely like an encyclopedia, only instead of being a shared Wiki any user can write a whole separate article. Sometimes this was helpful for learning -- having three different explanations of what a tensor[1] is, for example. Sometimes it gave a mix of informational and personal content, such as the page on Mother's Day[2], which has one article on the history of the holiday and two about the authors' attempts to cope with it despite losing or never having had a good relationship with their mothers. (Plus a summary of a Futurama episode by that name, because E2 was like that.) It also had an accidentally-fun feature in its hyperlinking system. Hyperlinks were intended to be used to be used for words that had their own articles, but you could link to any article, and when you hovered your mouse over the link the name of the target article would pop up. This could be used to make the closest thing I've seen to an English equivalent of Japanese furigana puns. I'm having trouble finding a good example right now, sadly. [1] https://www.everything2.com/index.pl?node=tensor https://www.everything2.com/index.pl?node=tensor [2] https://everything2.com/title/Mother%2527s+day https://everything2.com/title/Mother%2527s+day
- EForEndeavour 4y agoMy uncle was the one to introduce me to everything2 back when I must have been around 12 years old, by linking me to one of his writeups. I never created an account there, but was immediately pulled in by its curious mix of geeky information and beautiful writing. I voraciously read it throughout my teen years and am convinced it helped expand my vocabulary, and also probably reinforced my habit of aimlessly exploring information repositories (e.g., Wikipedia rabbit holes). I still sometimes return to it to be mildly amused at seeing present-day content presented in the same antiquated frontend that I don't think has changed much in 20+ years, because why mess with perfection? I don't know anyone in my life who's heard of the site besides my uncle, but I enjoy showing it to friends and coworkers as an example of the type of website I grew up with, and which stands in a class of its own, at least to me.
- xattt 4y ago> I don't know anyone in my life who's heard of the site besides my uncle, but I enjoy showing it to friends and coworkers as an example of the type of website I grew up with, and which stands in a class of its own, at least to me. I came across the site when I read Daniel Rutter’s Dan’s Data(1) pre-blog blog in the early-2000s when I was devouring everything about Palm devices as a geeky teenager. Dan had a tendency to link terms and phrases to sites that discussed what he meant in detail. Everything2 was his go-to for a lot of references and it soon became mine. Before a certain point, I think I was looking stuff up on E2 before looking on Wikipedia. A few years later, I found my group of “wholehearted geeky but well-masking” friends in university. A couple of them also read Everything2, and the discovery of this site was one of those subconscious things that nudged us closer together. I hope this site stays up forever, and I am disappointed it does not often come up in search results for random topics. Of note, E2 has indeed had a small change in the last decade, and that was the main interface colour going from Burnt Orange to Purple. (1) http://www.dansdata.com/ http://www.dansdata.com/
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- vonunov 4y agoI have little to nothing to contribute as usual, but I feel compelled to come out of the woodwork to state that I, for one, am stoked to see E2 appearing on HN in currentyear.
- tmountain 4y agoEmily Dickinson captures it beautifully. https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/47651/after-great-pain-a-formal-feeling-comes-372 https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/47651/after-great-pai...
- oigursh 4y agoThat's the most affecting set of words I've read in a long time. Thank you.
- derbOac 4y agoI feel obliged to note that for some people, with some lost, it never quite passes. Or, it returns regularly. Or all those losses accumulate. I don't necessarily mean with me, but there is research to suggest this is true in general. Also, after having reached a certain stage of life, and of experiences, and witnessing others, I think it can be true.
- worker_person 4y agoEnough trauma and lose and eventually you stop feeling much of anything. It's weird when something happens that Intellectually you understand that should or once did make you sad, happy, etc; but you feel nothing at all.
- CTDOCodebases 4y agoI have only lost people who where peripheral in life but for me it's feels like the world just becomes emptier. It's an odd feeling considering I hadn't interacted with some of these people in years.
- mberning 4y agoI didn’t know death until I watched my old man go. It was horrible. The details still haunt. I’ll never get over it. Never.
- bowsamic 4y agoI’m 27 and I’ve felt that way since I was 9. My psychiatric evaluator calls it “permanent depression”. There is little hope for remission in this life
- mise_en_place 4y agoIME, nothing in this universe or life is permanent. It is temporality and impermanence that define our existence.
- throwawayQuwcy 4y agoAnd for some people, who don't identify with that impermanence, it defines their call to non-existence.
- bowsamic 4y agoThere are definitely such things as life long ailments
- bdavisx 4y agoHave you had any second opinions? It sounds like your evaluator has given up on you, perhaps you shouldn't give up on you and find someone else who hasn't to help you.
- bowsamic 4y agoThis was the initial evaluation, but it is the English name used in Germany for dysthymia, which is long-term persistent depression, and has a low rate of remission (indeed they actually class remission as "has been given the mechanisms to cope with the illness" in the literature). Very few people recover from it, they just learn to live with it The actual diagnosis was double depression, which is dysthymia ("permanent depression") + major depression (acute depression)
- every 4y agoi haven't seen that message for years. A dedicated range game and pets to not mix well. My config file sets pettype to none...
- jackschultz 4y ago> You have a sad feeling for a moment, then it passes The main point from the writing fits right along with what I consider the main point of mindfulness and meditation practice. Everything that arises, also passes away. Highly suggest people try out the practice through guided intro courses. There are tons of benefits, but even just realizing and witnessing how all types thoughts, feelings, emotions that come up will go away is alone worth the time.
- hackernewds 4y agoThis is not said enough, but mindfulness practice is also not for everyone. If you're feeling a lot of negative emotions do not persist and persevere past it
- qrush 4y agoNethack taught me a lot of things, including to not to pick up a cockatrice corpse without gloves on. Also: Don't throw it above your head without wearing a helmet. Don't slip down a hidden pit of spikes, and fall on it. Don't step on a landmine and drop it on yourself without wearing boots. Don't get hypnotized by a wizard, have him pick it up, and then touch you with it.
- ChrisMarshallNY 4y agoYou have been eaten by a grue.
- jordanmorgan10 4y agoNice little piece, I guess. But I just can't make heads or tails _at all_ about what exactly this website is. Someone's blog? Collective input? No obvious "About" section? What am I missing?
- detaro 4y agohttps://everything2.com/title/An+Introduction+to+Everything2 https://everything2.com/title/An+Introduction+to+Everything2
- netsharc 4y agoI used to read that site daily. It's a lot of great writing. One contributor was a guy who'd regularly go to Antarctica for months at a time, it was amazing reading his nicely written pieces about the experience.
- kthejoker2 4y agoOne of the greatest websites of all time (I was the technical lead there for a couple of years 20 years ago.) It was originally designed as a more general wiki (the name is a pun of C2 ) and then evolved into a a quasi-literary, quasi-blog thing, with thousands of contributors. Its key features were a supremely easy way to create links between articles ("nodes") as well as empty links ("nodeshells") for others to fill in, encouraging sprawl but also connectivity; a rich voting and reward system, chat and messages, bookmarks, lists - if we had all had a half a brain, we could've pivoted to Medium or Substack no problem. A couple of things I'm proud of there https://everything2.com/user/kthejoker/writeups/Snuff+Etiquette https://everything2.com/user/kthejoker/writeups/Snuff+Etique... - this is an example of filling a nodeshell someone else created with ... something not intended but appropriate https://everything2.com/user/kthejoker/writeups/Ghosts+I+have+known https://everything2.com/user/kthejoker/writeups/Ghosts+I+hav... - using the annual Halloween writing event, I shared a personal story about Alzheimer's And some great stuff by others https://everything2.com/title/Around+nine+PM+my+heart+was+breaking+so+I+went+to+bed+early+to+listen+to+it+happen.?author_id=631430#junkpile https://everything2.com/title/Around+nine+PM+my+heart+was+br... https://everything2.com/title/You+love+these+machines.+These+machines+are+dead%253A+a+love+story.?author_id=738162#Igloowhite https://everything2.com/title/You+love+these+machines.+These... https://everything2.com/title/Why+the+willow+weeps?author_id=896205#Halspal https://everything2.com/title/Why+the+willow+weeps?author_id... https://everything2.com/title/How+to+brush+your+teeth+in+a+combat+zone?author_id=933810#riverrun https://everything2.com/title/How+to+brush+your+teeth+in+a+c... And I think this is my favorite, I think of it often! https://everything2.com/title/Me+and+Sue+and+Ricky+and+God https://everything2.com/title/Me+and+Sue+and+Ricky+and+God But there's just a ton of great stuff on there.
- Andrew_nenakhov 4y agoThat was beautifully written. I've never played Nethack, but I have spent countless hours playing ADOM, in all its text mode glory. These games managed to be so much deeper with so few resources available to them than most modern games.
- mise_en_place 4y agoIt's been a long time since I've played Nethack. I believe the first time I was exposed to it was after installing my first Linux distribution. I forget which one it was (could have been Slackware or Mandriva?), but I do remember the stack of diskettes that contained the full distro.
- noisy_boy 4y agoI have a happy feeling and it passes. Would be good to know how to hold on to it.
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- eric4smith 4y agoAnd that's why one should never make any important decisions based on a temporary emotion. * Love * Sadness * Happiness * Hate All have wrought countless problems when we made a decision on those feelings. (Yes, Love, is mostly a temporary emotion)
- wawjgreen 4y agoreminds me of Ender's Game (the book, not the movie).
- DamnInteresting 4y agoThis sounds like the name of a SpaceX droneship (in a good way).