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Tangential, but I can hardly be the only one who thinks emoji are stuck in a preteen mindset, with poop being the naughtiest thing expressible. Which serious la
by kieckerjan 4y ago
Tangential, but I can hardly be the only one who thinks emoji are stuck in a preteen mindset, with poop being the naughtiest thing expressible. Which serious language has no words for sex, drugs and the tragedies that haunt a human life?
- teddyh 4y agoWell, there’s always U+0130B8.
- aadvark69 4y agoand yet it's extremely commonplace to represent sex or drugs using existing emojies
- docmars 4y agoThe gun emoji was converted to a squirt gun en masse because #oh-mai-gawd-guns-evil. Yet a pretty decent chunk of our entertainment in shows, movies, and games include (gasp!) guns that resemble over the top usage against other human beings, which is fine because it's fake and people are smart enough to draw the distinctions. Emojis though? Nah, not possible. Too triggering. I'll be sure to ask Google and Apple to ban the Peach emoji when I accidentally bite into the pit and need tooth repair.
- mgdlbp 4y agoLike Newspeak in euphemism then, but retaining ambiguity. Plus a committee that can retroactively change what people have said.
- shreyshnaccount 4y agoI meannnnnn if you know you know :)
- hiptobecubic 4y agoIf i understand correctly, this is developed by Google and shipped with their keyboard. They aren't going to start suggesting custom lewd stickers to people.
- fennecfoxy 4y agoAs a furry, the answer is: telegram stickers. Oh boy is there a sticker for every conceivable sfw and nsfw feeling or action. For example (sfw): https://t.me/nowandlaters/789 https://t.me/nowandlaters/789
- sph 4y agoIt's not a language, you're not supposed to write Shakespeare with emojis. In technical parlance, human language is Turing-complete, emojis are a limited scripting language to expand our expressive ability. Nobody is replacing Objective C in macOS with Applescript.
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- sasaf5 4y agoAgain, trying to eliminate grief by decree. And then we wonder why everyone is depressed. If negative things are so undesirable, why do we represent them in the arts?
- pflenker 4y agoLooking at the Emoji list (in general, not from the link above) I can see plenty of emojis displaying concern, sadness, grief and other "negative" emotions.
- dr_dshiv 4y agoNo jealousy or loneliness
- Cthulhu_ 4y agoHow would you depict that with a pair of eyes and a mouth?
- NoGravitas 4y agoI've always thought U+01F97A FACE WITH PLEADING EYES does an okay job of representing loneliness. If you were to tint U+01F616 CONFOUNDED FACE green, it would be good for jealousy, perhaps.
- account42 4y agoYou are thinking about particular renderings of emojis. The actual definition for U+01F97A FACE WITH PLEADING EYES does not represent loneliness at all and you can't expect that whatever shows up for whoever you're talking to does. But people do keep adding these expectations to emojis that are not encoded in unicode at all so while emojis do give the impression of being a standardized encoding we're really back to vendor-specific codepages.
- zeristor 4y agoI guess an emoji could be proposed for grief, that is a tricky question in itself. There is a system to go through to add new emojis, it does seem to be very hard work now. https://unicode.org/emoji/proposals.html https://unicode.org/emoji/proposals.html I was going to say something as intense as grief is too much for emojis, but it would mark the maturing of the glyphs.
- madeofpalk 4y agoThere are already a few that touch on grief, but at the end of the day they're still little cartoons, which naturally make them more lighthearted.
- BiteCode_dev 4y agoThey are glyphes. You don't expect the roman letters to individually represent all concepts. In the same way, emoji are glyphes and just symbols. We will attach meaning to each symbol, combinations of symbols and context, and will express whatever we want with it. Just like people say "this is the shit", and "this is shit", and it says litterally the opposite of each other. E.G: we already use the eggplant to talk about sex.
- alexvoda 4y agoAnd disappointingly, all emojis used for sexual inuendo are excluded from the emoji kitchen. The sexual inuendo combos may probably be some of the most used combos other than the official ones. The prudishness really is disappointing.
- amelius 4y agoYes, this is because emojis are created by committee. The Unicode committee to be precise. If instead emojis could be drawn and inserted in messages and maintained and shared through emoji-libraries by actual users, then we would get an actual naturally evolving language. Much more interesting.
- unixbane 4y ago... or programs could just display images instead of continuously approximating them (which is why unicode is so bloated and unreasonable about)
- egypturnash 4y agoOn Telegram, one can make one’s own sticker packs by simply uploading a bunch of images. I see a lot of sticker packs on the theme of “my fursona expressing various emotions”, and it is pretty common to see one person have a new idea for an emotion or interaction, which is rapidly copied into other people’s sets when they have the resources available to create or commission a new drawing. Furries being furries, a lot of these are pretty explicit, and pretty inventive in their explicitness.
- skyyler 4y agoThis is one of the most important features of telegram; without it, the furries wouldn't have become the core userbase during the early years.
- fennecfoxy 4y agoYup! In fact, getting more stickers has been on my list for a while now. They're used for everything, but they both: * Capture an emotion with more granularity than available emojis * Capture an intended physical action whether sfw or nsfw (owo) * Invoke everything that comes with seeing your character "come to life" as well as assisting you in embodying that character (like a fursuit does)
- klntsky 4y agoThis is literally Telegram stickers.
- 12ian34 4y agoI'm not a big user of emoji outside of Slack reactions, but I do enjoy that many emoji have become euphemistic of things like sex, drugs and tragedy, e.g. the syringe, the aubergine, the herb leaf etc.
- andrepd 4y agoOh but there is >Sex Aubergine and peach, various "horny" faces >Drugs The leaf, the clouded face, the syringe
- saimiam 4y agoHindi has words but not commonly used and understood slang for many of these concepts.
- npteljes 4y agoIt's not preteen, it's corporate.
- amelius 4y agoHeh: https://blog.prototypr.io/are-we-designing-for-children-an-analysis-of-infantilisation-from-a-design-perspective-b718fdf0381 https://blog.prototypr.io/are-we-designing-for-children-an-a...
- thefz 4y agoAnd if I might add: why do we need multiple colors for a heart or multiple hearts? One wasn't enough? Are we going to cover all the drinks know by mankind or one generic "alcoholic" drink was okay? What about flowers? Do we need to cover them all or a generic "flower" pictogram is enough?
- dgant 4y agoI exclusively use the purple heart where my online handle has the word Purple in it. Then others use it too. It has aided expression, however marginally.
- herbst 4y agoWhy even multi color human? Nothing more racist than making a point about color anytime you use an emoji.
- schroeding 4y agoMost of those "weird" emojis were grandfathered in from the Japanese standard
- rmetzler 4y agoOne Love Rasta Edit: unfortunately there is no support for emojis on HN. Just imagine a red, a golden, and a green heart there.
- Forge36 4y agoDrugs, <needle>, <pills> Death has four, Sex is a lingo. <Eggplant>, <splash> (I don't know why I emojis to post) Creating pictographs of ideas isn't easy.
- astura 4y agoWhat a weird comment - there's multiple drug emojis (syringe, pill, whisky, beer, cocktail, cigarette, sake), tragedies (gravestone, sad faces, sick faces, hospital, ambulance, bandage, casket, skull and crossbones). There's even a middle finger. The sex ones are peach, eggplant, squirt, bed, volcano, pointing finger hand followed by ok hand, lips, and love hotel.
- phkahler 4y agoWell there is the "love hotel" https://emojipedia.org/love-hotel/ https://emojipedia.org/love-hotel/ But otherwise I agree.
- voso 4y agoEmoji inherited that from the Japanese though, from eons past. Something like that would never get in today.