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LTT showcases A770 with some performance data, price estimate [video]

76 points by pantalaimon 4y ago

zathan 4y ago
- Similar performance to AMD and Nvidia in optimized games (tier 1 games) - Similar performance to AMD and Nvidia in Vulkan and DX12 games (tier 2 games) - Inferior performance to AMD and Nvidia in DX11 and below games (tier 3 games) - Positioning and pricing will be based on tier 3 games Intel GPUs can be a real bang for the buck for Linux gamers due to DXVK being used with most games. It will also be interesting to see if DXVK can also improve Intel's performance on Windows games.
- ceeplusplus 4y ago
  Intel's not the only one who has had inferior performance in DX11. AMD's DX11 driver suffers in drawcall heavy scenarios, particularly in dense open world games like Witcher 3 [1]. In the old days they used to underperform even more. It surprisingly is quite hard to develop a performant DX11 driver. [1] https://www-purepc-pl.translate.goog/test-ryzen-7-5800x-i-radeon-rx-6800-xt-w-miejscach-procesorowych?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-US https://www-purepc-pl.translate.goog/test-ryzen-7-5800x-i-ra...
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- LordNibbler 4y ago
  Long-term this great news for the consumer that there is a third competitor in the discrete GPU space. If the tier 1 games have competitive/same performance then I'm optimistic that the HW is solid and the gap needs to be closed via updates on driver software.
- ThatPlayer 4y ago
  Zink (OpenGL on Vulkan) could be interesting, since OpenGL isn't brought up at all, but probably falls under "DX11 and below".
- kllrnohj 4y ago
  > Similar performance to AMD and Nvidia in optimized games (tier 1 games) Similar performance to AMD & Nvidia's lower midrange cards fwiw. Intel's top tier sku isn't aiming very high, only seems to be targeting something like the RTX 3060 (non-ti). Fine enough place to start, but not exactly the most exciting thing even if the price turns out to be great.
wmf 4y ago
This Intel-approved not-a-review isn't a good look for LTT.
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- Dylan16807 4y ago
  What specifically would you change? They talked about the important failings of the GPU drivers, and it's not worth giving many specific numbers when they're likely to change before release. They also can't evaluate the whole package properly until a price is announced. There's not really anything intel could be hiding here that's worse than the big performance issues they acknowledge. And I'd much rather have this kind of preview than nothing.
  - wmf 4y ago
    I think I'd prefer nothing, but that's just me.
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    - Teever 4y ago
      So just to be clear, you don't like the content and wish it didn't exist, but can't really articulate much beyond that? This is some 'old man yells at clouds' level posting man. Why do it?
      - LoveMortuus 4y ago
        tl;dr: Received LTT hoodie as a gift (the gift giver paid almost 2x the price due to shipping and import), the quality of materials is so bad that since trying it on, I haven't worn it since. I used to like their videos because they seemed honest and somewhat transparent. But about a year ago I received a LTT branded hoodie (WAN hoodie) as a Christmas gift and I was seriously shocked but the quality. It's July now which means that is been more then half a year and I haven't worn it once since trying it. The inside of the hoodie is extremely rough so much so that it could be unpleasant to the touch. The zipper is flipped, which means that you have to use the other hand to zip it, which here where the position of the zipper is basically standard is perceived as just basically wrong, at first I thought that maybe it was a manufacturing defect, but there seem to be many people that report a flipped zipper and when I was trying mine on quite a lot of lose threads were just falling out. This was a real shock to me, especially because LTT always talks about how quality is important and how they won't release a product if it isn't good. Sadly I can't return it, because it was a gift and I've been told that the import costs and shipping for the hoodie were almost the cost of the hoodie.
acomjean 4y ago
Gamers nexus had a few video reviews as well. A a380 from China benchmarked. https://youtu.be/La-dcK4h4ZU https://youtu.be/La-dcK4h4ZU Intel sent some engineers over after to explain the models and talk about drivers and tech.. https://youtu.be/AN8ZAf15DrM https://youtu.be/AN8ZAf15DrM
- fnands 4y ago
  Great to see them sending over an engineer for this one. Speaks to a kind of openness that's refreshing to see coming from Intel.
2Gkashmiri 4y ago
Has anyone talked about Linux compatibility of these GPUs ?
- mfrw 4y ago
  off topic - cool username :) @2Gkashmiri
  - 2Gkashmiri 4y ago
    yeah, post 2019, after the "internet" ban of 9 months was lifted, i was given the privilege of accessing 2G internet so that is the "backstory" of this username....
    - mfrw 4y ago
      Its relatable; I belong to the same part of the world.
      - 2Gkashmiri 4y ago
        oooo.. nice... don't know about you but i've been online for too long and been burned many times to not maintain a single identity online. like, back in 2010 i think, this guy warns me "WTF are you tweeting incendiary stuff with your name..." and i was like "holyyyyyy sh...." since then i have maintained watertight identities across any public platform i join with handles i never recycle". i obviously don't post incendiary stuff nowadays because of being busy with work but the habit has stuck.
      - 2Gkashmiri 4y ago
        btw, i was discussing tldr with a friend recently and to find you a maintainer, nice work dude.
- TingPing 4y ago
  It's going to be supported upstream Linux/Mesa but nobody has tested/reported on it publicly. I'd expect growing pains but good support.
Hamcha 4y ago
I'm glad Intel has been swallowing their pride on this one, I want them to succeed for once. What really would drive me to support them directly would be (para)virtualization support via SR-IOV/GVT-g. Especially given Microsoft's recent stunts an increasing amount of people (including me and close friends) are evaluating moving to Linux while keeping a Windows VM around, but both NVIDIA and AMD seem adamant about keeping those features gated to enterprise cards (even thought it's a software thing, see community efforts to reverse this[1]) so they can charge ludicrous prices to businesses for those. My opinion is that if Intel wants to get their foot in the door they should win over enthusiast by breaking patterns such as this one rather than try to compete exclusively on performance. [1]: https://github.com/DualCoder/vgpu_unlock https://github.com/DualCoder/vgpu_unlock
- preisschild 4y ago
  Their GPUs should also work really well in linux, since you don't really need DX11/DX9. All games with those graphic APIs get translated to Vulkan by [DXVK](https://github.com/doitsujin/dxvk https://github.com/doitsujin/dxvk) anyways.
  - Hamcha 4y ago
    You don't really need DX10 and lower on Windows anymore either, dgVoodoo2[1] is routinely used (along DXVK) on Windows itself because of how better supported DX11/DX12 and Vulkan are by modern drivers. I hope someone will benchmark a game with DX9+dgVoodoo2 vs native DX9. [1]: http://dege.freeweb.hu/dgVoodoo2/ http://dege.freeweb.hu/dgVoodoo2/
- lillecarl 4y ago
  I tried to hold out for the Intel launch anticipating sr-iov support, but I ended up refreshing hardware before. Any half-decent motherboard has their iommu groups proper, allowing passing any pci device into a vm with minimal overhead. It sure sucks to need two cards, but I went/want AMD for Linux and still(sadly) NVIDIA for Windows. It works really great. A 3 display setup where left is always Linux, right is always windows (when it's running) and middle is switched between inputs with ddcutil (cli tool to reconfigure your display). I tried looking-glass framebuffer copy over a shared memory bus but it wasn't quite as smooth for me as switching inputs. I'm on low-end gear, AMD 5600x, AMD 390, NVIDIA 3060, ASUS X570-P board. No tuning whatsoever, I let the Linux scheduler deal with it and it's good enough. I can't recommend looking-glass enough as your spice client for mouse and keyboard capture, it's great. Though this can all go fck right off if someone(Intel) does SR-IOV on consumer gear, I will replace my cards in a beat.
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76 points by pantalaimon 4y ago

- Similar performance to AMD and Nvidia in optimized games (tier 1 games) - Similar performance to AMD and Nvidia in Vulkan and DX12 games (tier 2 games) - Inferior performance to AMD and Nvidia in DX11 and below games (tier 3 games) - Positioning and pricing will be based on tier 3 games Intel GPUs can be a real bang for the buck for Linux gamers due to DXVK being used with most games. It will also be interesting to see if DXVK can also improve Intel's performance on Windows games.

ceeplusplus 4y ago
Intel's not the only one who has had inferior performance in DX11. AMD's DX11 driver suffers in drawcall heavy scenarios, particularly in dense open world games like Witcher 3 [1]. In the old days they used to underperform even more. It surprisingly is quite hard to develop a performant DX11 driver. [1] https://www-purepc-pl.translate.goog/test-ryzen-7-5800x-i-radeon-rx-6800-xt-w-miejscach-procesorowych?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-US https://www-purepc-pl.translate.goog/test-ryzen-7-5800x-i-ra...
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LordNibbler 4y ago
Long-term this great news for the consumer that there is a third competitor in the discrete GPU space. If the tier 1 games have competitive/same performance then I'm optimistic that the HW is solid and the gap needs to be closed via updates on driver software.
ThatPlayer 4y ago
Zink (OpenGL on Vulkan) could be interesting, since OpenGL isn't brought up at all, but probably falls under "DX11 and below".
kllrnohj 4y ago
> Similar performance to AMD and Nvidia in optimized games (tier 1 games) Similar performance to AMD & Nvidia's lower midrange cards fwiw. Intel's top tier sku isn't aiming very high, only seems to be targeting something like the RTX 3060 (non-ti). Fine enough place to start, but not exactly the most exciting thing even if the price turns out to be great.

wmf 4y ago

This Intel-approved not-a-review isn't a good look for LTT.

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Dylan16807 4y ago
What specifically would you change? They talked about the important failings of the GPU drivers, and it's not worth giving many specific numbers when they're likely to change before release. They also can't evaluate the whole package properly until a price is announced. There's not really anything intel could be hiding here that's worse than the big performance issues they acknowledge. And I'd much rather have this kind of preview than nothing.
- wmf 4y ago
  I think I'd prefer nothing, but that's just me.
  - deleted 4y ago
    [deleted]
  - Teever 4y ago
    So just to be clear, you don't like the content and wish it didn't exist, but can't really articulate much beyond that? This is some 'old man yells at clouds' level posting man. Why do it?
    - LoveMortuus 4y ago
      tl;dr: Received LTT hoodie as a gift (the gift giver paid almost 2x the price due to shipping and import), the quality of materials is so bad that since trying it on, I haven't worn it since. I used to like their videos because they seemed honest and somewhat transparent. But about a year ago I received a LTT branded hoodie (WAN hoodie) as a Christmas gift and I was seriously shocked but the quality. It's July now which means that is been more then half a year and I haven't worn it once since trying it. The inside of the hoodie is extremely rough so much so that it could be unpleasant to the touch. The zipper is flipped, which means that you have to use the other hand to zip it, which here where the position of the zipper is basically standard is perceived as just basically wrong, at first I thought that maybe it was a manufacturing defect, but there seem to be many people that report a flipped zipper and when I was trying mine on quite a lot of lose threads were just falling out. This was a real shock to me, especially because LTT always talks about how quality is important and how they won't release a product if it isn't good. Sadly I can't return it, because it was a gift and I've been told that the import costs and shipping for the hoodie were almost the cost of the hoodie.

acomjean 4y ago

Gamers nexus had a few video reviews as well. A a380 from China benchmarked. https://youtu.be/La-dcK4h4ZU https://youtu.be/La-dcK4h4ZU Intel sent some engineers over after to explain the models and talk about drivers and tech.. https://youtu.be/AN8ZAf15DrM https://youtu.be/AN8ZAf15DrM

fnands 4y ago
Great to see them sending over an engineer for this one. Speaks to a kind of openness that's refreshing to see coming from Intel.

2Gkashmiri 4y ago

Has anyone talked about Linux compatibility of these GPUs ?

mfrw 4y ago
off topic - cool username :) @2Gkashmiri
- 2Gkashmiri 4y ago
  yeah, post 2019, after the "internet" ban of 9 months was lifted, i was given the privilege of accessing 2G internet so that is the "backstory" of this username....
  - mfrw 4y ago
    Its relatable; I belong to the same part of the world.
    - 2Gkashmiri 4y ago
      oooo.. nice... don't know about you but i've been online for too long and been burned many times to not maintain a single identity online. like, back in 2010 i think, this guy warns me "WTF are you tweeting incendiary stuff with your name..." and i was like "holyyyyyy sh...." since then i have maintained watertight identities across any public platform i join with handles i never recycle". i obviously don't post incendiary stuff nowadays because of being busy with work but the habit has stuck.
    - 2Gkashmiri 4y ago
      btw, i was discussing tldr with a friend recently and to find you a maintainer, nice work dude.
TingPing 4y ago
It's going to be supported upstream Linux/Mesa but nobody has tested/reported on it publicly. I'd expect growing pains but good support.

Hamcha 4y ago

I'm glad Intel has been swallowing their pride on this one, I want them to succeed for once. What really would drive me to support them directly would be (para)virtualization support via SR-IOV/GVT-g. Especially given Microsoft's recent stunts an increasing amount of people (including me and close friends) are evaluating moving to Linux while keeping a Windows VM around, but both NVIDIA and AMD seem adamant about keeping those features gated to enterprise cards (even thought it's a software thing, see community efforts to reverse this[1]) so they can charge ludicrous prices to businesses for those. My opinion is that if Intel wants to get their foot in the door they should win over enthusiast by breaking patterns such as this one rather than try to compete exclusively on performance. [1]: https://github.com/DualCoder/vgpu_unlock https://github.com/DualCoder/vgpu_unlock

preisschild 4y ago
Their GPUs should also work really well in linux, since you don't really need DX11/DX9. All games with those graphic APIs get translated to Vulkan by [DXVK](https://github.com/doitsujin/dxvk https://github.com/doitsujin/dxvk) anyways.
- Hamcha 4y ago
  You don't really need DX10 and lower on Windows anymore either, dgVoodoo2[1] is routinely used (along DXVK) on Windows itself because of how better supported DX11/DX12 and Vulkan are by modern drivers. I hope someone will benchmark a game with DX9+dgVoodoo2 vs native DX9. [1]: http://dege.freeweb.hu/dgVoodoo2/ http://dege.freeweb.hu/dgVoodoo2/
lillecarl 4y ago
I tried to hold out for the Intel launch anticipating sr-iov support, but I ended up refreshing hardware before. Any half-decent motherboard has their iommu groups proper, allowing passing any pci device into a vm with minimal overhead. It sure sucks to need two cards, but I went/want AMD for Linux and still(sadly) NVIDIA for Windows. It works really great. A 3 display setup where left is always Linux, right is always windows (when it's running) and middle is switched between inputs with ddcutil (cli tool to reconfigure your display). I tried looking-glass framebuffer copy over a shared memory bus but it wasn't quite as smooth for me as switching inputs. I'm on low-end gear, AMD 5600x, AMD 390, NVIDIA 3060, ASUS X570-P board. No tuning whatsoever, I let the Linux scheduler deal with it and it's good enough. I can't recommend looking-glass enough as your spice client for mouse and keyboard capture, it's great. Though this can all go fck right off if someone(Intel) does SR-IOV on consumer gear, I will replace my cards in a beat.

blackwatcher 4y ago