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> many cyclists [...] aren't going the speed limit. It's a speed upper limit, not a minimum. Are you upset when an agricole machine is using the public roads?

> many cyclists [...] aren't going the speed limit. It's a speed upper limit, not a minimum. Are you upset when an agricole machine is using the public roads? This "annoyance" against people not travelling at the speed limit on public roads is based on a lack of time management and the expectation that the road is empty. This is a selfish point of view. When I want to control my travelling time, I walk or cycle. When I want comfort, I use public transportation or my car.

throwaway0a5e 4y ago
>It's a speed upper limit, not a minimum. Are you upset when an agricole machine is using the public roads? This is an infantile way of framing it. 99.9999% of road users (all types) DGAF what you do as long as you meed expectations for your type of traffic. Pretty much nobody gets angry at slower traffic (tractors, cyclists, commercial vehicles) so long as it is meeting their expectations for what it is. If you drive a normal car and try and act like something slower don't be surprised when it pisses people off. Likewise if you cycle or have to operate heavy machinery on road and try and act like a car outside of some narrow circumstances don't be surprised when it pisses people off.
dahfizz 4y ago
> Are you upset when an agricole machine is using the public roads? Nope. 1) Any tractor I've been behind on a public road will pull over to let traffic pass by when possible. 2) Tractors obey all traffic lights and laws and behave predictably. 3) I've never seen a tractor driver act aggressively towards a car.
- yohannparis 4y ago
  1) Cyclist are on the right side of the road (not against the ditch/gutter/curb...), and easy to see past them to know if you can safely pass them. 2) Most cyclist do, some do not, same as drivers 3) Same as 2), and cyclist can be aggressive when your life is at stake. I think drivers mostly forget they are in charge of a dangerous machine.
- bluecalm 4y ago
  Cyclists are are smaller and easier to pass than tractors. Cyclists are better than obeying traffic laws than drivers. Multiple police surveys confirm it. Finally cyclists are subject of so much abuse and straight up murder attempts on the road that it's reasonable to expect them "acting aggressively towards a car". I mean if you come swinging a heavy object next to me I may lose my cool as well.

throwaway0a5e 4y ago

>It's a speed upper limit, not a minimum. Are you upset when an agricole machine is using the public roads? This is an infantile way of framing it. 99.9999% of road users (all types) DGAF what you do as long as you meed expectations for your type of traffic. Pretty much nobody gets angry at slower traffic (tractors, cyclists, commercial vehicles) so long as it is meeting their expectations for what it is. If you drive a normal car and try and act like something slower don't be surprised when it pisses people off. Likewise if you cycle or have to operate heavy machinery on road and try and act like a car outside of some narrow circumstances don't be surprised when it pisses people off.

dahfizz 4y ago

> Are you upset when an agricole machine is using the public roads? Nope. 1) Any tractor I've been behind on a public road will pull over to let traffic pass by when possible. 2) Tractors obey all traffic lights and laws and behave predictably. 3) I've never seen a tractor driver act aggressively towards a car.

yohannparis 4y ago
1) Cyclist are on the right side of the road (not against the ditch/gutter/curb...), and easy to see past them to know if you can safely pass them. 2) Most cyclist do, some do not, same as drivers 3) Same as 2), and cyclist can be aggressive when your life is at stake. I think drivers mostly forget they are in charge of a dangerous machine.
bluecalm 4y ago
Cyclists are are smaller and easier to pass than tractors. Cyclists are better than obeying traffic laws than drivers. Multiple police surveys confirm it. Finally cyclists are subject of so much abuse and straight up murder attempts on the road that it's reasonable to expect them "acting aggressively towards a car". I mean if you come swinging a heavy object next to me I may lose my cool as well.