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Amazing that you can look at kids being shot in primary schools and then try to analyze it statistically. This doesn't happen anywhere else on the planet outsi
by spaceman_2020 4y ago
Amazing that you can look at kids being shot in primary schools and then try to analyze it statistically.
This doesn't happen anywhere else on the planet outside of war-torn countries. Saying that "actually kids are more likely to kill themselves" is just about peak cope.
- anotherhue 4y agoI agree with your sentiment but I wish your claims were true https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_school_massacres_by_death_toll https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_school_massacres_by_...
- spaceman_2020 4y agoMan, your own list is filled with a) third world countries, and b) actual terrorist attacks. You're being disingenuous if you're trying to claim that, say, the Beslan School Siege is the same as the Columbine school shooting. One was committed by a terrorist organization with a political goal. The other was just a couple of fellow students.
- lucideer 4y agoMan what is the relevance of this comment? The existence of Beslan on that page has nothing to do with US shootings - the gp was just referring you to US stats that contradict your comment. Nothing to do with Beslan.
- imtringued 4y agoYes the fear isn't that your kid is being shot by a school shooters the fear is that your child must.kive in a society where school shooting and the long chain of developmental problems that caused these issues has been fully normalized. We have enough food and housing for everyone right now, except in some popular places, why exactly have we become so desperate? Why can't we give up some economic growth and use the resources we have on general human well-being?
- heavyset_go 4y agoI like how it's an argument that mocks gun regulations with the fact that more kids kill themselves with guns than they do each other. Firearm related injuries are the #2 killer of children after automotive accidents[1]. The rate of firearm related deaths for young people went up nearly 14% between 2019 and 2020 alone. I do agree with the importance of socio-economic solutions, though, even before gun regulations. [1] https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/nejmc2201761 https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/nejmc2201761
- rjbwork 4y agoHow else would you analyze the issue? A binary analysis would lead us to conclude that gun regulations are completely bereft of any benefit whatsoever, given that gun violence, even mass shootings/spree killings, happen in countries with quite strict gun control - I mean, the former PM of Japan was killed via firearm just this month! But that is not the case. There is a clear gradient of occurrence and effectiveness of regulation. So, we need to move into the realm of statistics. And the statistics are that over the course of the decade from 2010 to 2019 ~350 kids were killed in school shootings, and ~26000 took their own lives. My assertion is that given these numbers, an inordinate amount of resources, political capital, and conversational bandwidth is being spent on what is actually a rather rare occurrence and that this is largely a waste compared to what we could be spending said resources, political capital, and conversational bandwidth on - namely, solving the problems that affect broad swathes of the populace and that I, and others, believe actually drive people to commit such violence in the first place. Or, we can spend the next century fretting about a statistically vanishingly rare occurrence, keeping the blue and red tribes divided, making little to no progress on the existential problems that we as a country, culture, society, and species face, as the world becomes increasingly uninhabitable.
- fleetwoodsnack 4y agoIt’s really quite simple, you didn’t have to spell out your confusion so elaborately: Statistics deals in degrees; violence against children is something that is sufficiently cognized in absolutes.
- chii 4y agopolicy decisions and budget allocation should an emotionless utility function that allocates what produces the best outcome with maximal efficiency. To do otherwise is to be biased one way or another.
- JamesBarney 4y agoIf we shutdown all schools we would have 0 mass shootings at schools. This is the only moral choice when dealing with absolutes.
- BobbyJo 4y agoWhat else should you do when considering legislation? Should we legislate by blindly trying to stop anything bad? That doesn't seem like a good idea.
- eastbound 4y ago
- rjbwork 4y agoObvious race baiting is obvious. Say what you mean instead of being a fucking pussy and dancing around it by asking pointed questions that we have to then fill in the blanks on. Do you mean to say "people in Africa and the diaspora thereof have a shit culture and the places they reside end up being war-torn and using child soldiers?" If so, say so. If not, please clarify because I may just not be quite smart enough to grok your meaning if it is otherwise.
- eastbound 4y agoIt’s a problem that is taboo. And if the taboo suddenly blew up? I believe I’d actually blame it on culture, not race. We can do amazing things with culture. Let’s try. But we can only tackle it if we can address the taboo problem.
- rjbwork 4y agoWhich you continue to dance around and refuse to elucidate. Speak clearly.
- raxxorraxor 4y ago> Amazing that you can look at kids being shot in primary schools and then try to analyze it statistically. You have to. For effective policy you need to distance yourself from the deed no matter how terrible they are. All other venues for grief are better than policies motivated by retribution, which will very likely not lead to constructive outcomes and resulting in repeats. Otherwise you end up invading random countries because someone attacked you.
- sudosysgen 4y agoThere is a psychological dimension to your kid having to confront the possibility of being shot in school being mere numbers of deaths.