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> The diagnosis and treatment of ADHD in adults but most especially in children is extremely suspect. Go on… (I’m adult diagnosed, for disclosure, but please
by eyelidlessness 4y ago
> The diagnosis and treatment of ADHD in adults but most especially in children is extremely suspect.
Go on…
(I’m adult diagnosed, for disclosure, but please do go on and tell me how suspect my diagnosis was, how I shouldn’t have been diagnosed as a child, how my medication is harmful. Go on and tell me about my life which you know better than I do.)
- pindab0ter 4y agoJust because you might have gotten a diagnosis that helped you doesn’t mean everyone has. I for one am actually interested if he can back up that claim. So when you as them to “Go on…”, please leave it at that. There’s no reason to be snarky.
- chx 4y agodoi:10.1001/jamanetworkopen.2021.5335 > Findings In this systematic scoping review of 334 published studies in children and adolescents, convincing evidence was found that ADHD is overdiagnosed in children and adolescents. For individuals with milder symptoms in particular, the harms associated with an ADHD diagnosis may often outweigh the benefits.
- eyelidlessness 4y agoYou have the benefit of being casually disconnected from the topic and presenting yourself as intellectually curious. I have the experience of being alive because I was diagnosed and treated. Your curiosity about whether I get to live or die is up to you, but my place to speak to that isn’t up to you until I’m dead.
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- eyelidlessness 4y agoWhat’s your point?
- detaro 4y agoThat you are telling them about their life which you apparently know a lot about.
- tuxie_ 4y agoDon't take it personal. Both things can be true, you can have adhd and adhd can be overdiagnosed, doesn't mean that none of those diagnostics are valid. I'm sure you must be tired of people telling you about how overdiagnosed adhd is, I'm sorry about that, but don't take it personal, it's just a person on the internet.
- junofan 4y agoGP also claimed the treatment is extremely suspect yet provided nothing to back up the claim. Does GP think the treatment does not work? AFAIK it is among the most treatable psychiatric illnesses.
- chx 4y agodoi:10.1001/jamanetworkopen.2021.5335 > Findings > In this systematic scoping review of 334 published studies in children and adolescents, convincing evidence was found that ADHD is overdiagnosed in children and adolescents. For individuals with milder symptoms in particular, the harms associated with an ADHD diagnosis may often outweigh the benefits. What I mean is that we feed children Ritalin without a second thought. It's absolute nuts. There are many many ways to work with ADHD which doesn't require giving a children meds. We should be way more cautious about doing that.
- tptacek 4y agoThis study comes nowhere close to supporting the claim you made upthread, that "The diagnosis and treatment of ADHD in adults but most especially in children is extremely suspect". The claims it makes are much narrower than your claim (in particular, it focuses on mild ADHD cases, and the "harms" it discusses from medication are subjective, like the diagnosis providing "an excuse for problems".
- eyelidlessness 4y ago> Don't take it personal Oh I take it personally. I’m alive today because I sought diagnosis and treatment. I very nearly wasn’t alive from the consequences of being undiagnosed and untreated. I very probably would be dead today if I had taken this “just person on the internet” more seriously than I already had. I’m more than tired of people offering their ignorant opinions about stuff they don’t understand.
- photochemsyn 4y agoI think OP is just saying that 'ADHD' is not that valid of a diagnosis, in terms of any kind of underlying 'pathology'. The fact that many people appear to benefit from the use of 'medication' (i.e. amphetamines and derivatives, from Adderall to Desoxyn(methamphetamine) to Ritalin), is mostly unrelated to any 'diagnosis'. Personally I think all drugs should be legal and people should be able to take whatever they think helps them, although I always recommend the 'less is more' mentality and would urge people not to develop dependencies.
- chx 4y agoYou got it. The shakiness of this entire thing also shows in how the medication for ADHD is chosen: by trial and error. For real.
- tptacek 4y agoThat's how medication for all sorts of things is chosen.
- kortex 4y agoIgnoring the fact that basically all drug development outside of the computational stuff is large amounts of trial and error, there is ample evidence that ADHD results from dysfunction of specific neural pathways, and stimulant medication benefits ADHD individuals (more than just "speed helps everyone focus"). > This literature is increasingly contributing to the notion that the pathophysiology of ADHD reflects abnormal interplay among large-scale brain circuits. Moreover, recent studies have begun to illuminate the mechanisms of action of pharmacological treatments. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3876939/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3876939/
- eyelidlessness 4y ago> I think OP is just saying that 'ADHD' is not that valid of a diagnosis I understand this in the comment’s expression too, and it’s emphatically wrong. > benefit from the use of 'medication' (i.e. amphetamines and derivatives, from Adderall to Desoxyn(methamphetamine) to Ritalin), is mostly unrelated to any 'diagnosis'. You’re incorrect. > Personally I think all drugs should be legal and people should be able to take whatever they think helps them I agree, but this has nothing to do with the validity of actual diagnoses of actually treatable conditions.
- whimsicalism 4y agoe: [deleted]
- eyelidlessness 4y agoWhat’s your point?
- mf2hd 4y agoFocus.
- phs318u 4y agoThis is HN not Slashdot. Please don't turn it into Slashdot.