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Its exactly in line with what I said. End of the day, we're all on teams whether or not you like it. And every single country on this planet has baggage. I hav

Its exactly in line with what I said. End of the day, we're all on teams whether or not you like it. And every single country on this planet has baggage. I have people in my family who are living who remember what it feels like to be considered sub-human by British imperialists as they allowed famines. On the grand scheme of things, if we add up the sins and good deeds, the USA has done more to improve the lives of people who are here than other places. It is one of the major reasons my family and I immigrated here. Is it perfect? No. But it is a place where a bunch of different types of people attempt to build something together. Gridlock sucks, sometimes it feels pretty awful, but just speaking personally for myself there's nowhere else in the world where someone like me (with my skin color, religious preferences, etc.) would be able to go as far, or further. For all its faults, the USA has - elected an African American president twice - fought itself and destroyed its own people and cities over slavery - helped stop 2 world wars - most of the top companies and talent - created a sense of world stability where people for the most part chill the f out when they see and want $USD And it has also caused some problems along the way, I'm sure you can name many of them. But again, in 2022, when I do a simple calculation of where I (with my own baggage and attributes) would most prosper, I can't think of another country. I have been to Japan, loved it there, but it isn't the melting pot that America is. Again these are just my opinions, as someone who immigrated to the USA and is proud to call themselves a US citizen.

arvinsim 4y ago
Sounds like a case of "I had mine so you all can go f*ck yourselves"
- moomoo11 4y ago
  That's not at all what I'm saying but ok. Don't worry, I vote for education reform/strength each time, its something I think is lacking here in some areas.
  - Broken_Hippo 4y ago
    Lacking? That's putting it mildly. In a lot of poor areas - or areas that are populated mostly by minorities - education is just poor. As in, so poor that there are issues transferring college credits other places in the world. Realistically, you have it backwards. In some areas, the education is fine. In many - probably the majority - it simply isn't and you'll be indebted for the rest of your life unless you are really lucky. We (Americans) pay teachers poorly and treat a number of students like criminals while punishing those same students in ways that they cannot get the same education as their peers. And this is after we've failed to make sure children have food and housing so that they can put effort towards learning. "Lacking in some areas"... yeah. With a generous definition of some.
peoplefromibiza 4y ago
- moomoo11 4y ago
  We can nitpick til the end of time, and I agree with you on those points. Like I said in my comment, nobody is perfect. Hell my own people were used as slaves for the longest times and called "sub humans". We can do this for so many countries, I mean some of them literally murdered millions of people in camps (Germany, USSR, China), some of them were so corrupt their entire nations failed (Sri Lanka, African nations with people like Mugabe, etc.), while others were quiet and complacent in the conquest and rape of the world (most European countries) and now tell others from a high horse.
  - peoplefromibiza 4y ago
    - moomoo11 4y ago
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  - trasz 4y ago
    I love how USA isn’t on the list, despite the two millions of people imprisoned in US camps, which is some 25% of worlds total prison population. Not to mention ongoing prison slavery which is reportedly critical to economy in some states.
- RektBoy 4y ago
  Thanks, I'm saving your post for some American tourists visiting my city. Good material for pub conversation. Ahahaha
- 4y ago
RektBoy 4y ago
- strangegecko 4y ago
  > Who cares? Is this an American thing to always brag something about race, or how much "non-racist we are"? Nobody gives a sh* here. As another European who lives in Asia, I don't understand this European love of blanket ranting against Americans. Yes, the US still has a racism problem. In fact, every country in the world has racism problems. That doesn't make the topic of who can get elected irrelevant. Can you imagine ANY kind of foreigner getting elected into government in China? Or even in, say, Germany? These are different degrees of cultural openness.
  - mejutoco 4y ago
    > Can you imagine ANY kind of foreigner getting elected into government in China Obama was/is african-american, not a foreigner
    - plonk 4y ago
      That's true but a black Chinese citizen probably won't have a chance for a long time either.
    - strangegecko 4y ago
      Sorry, foreigner was a clumsy choice here, and I chose it because in many Asian countries it's quasi synonymous. People of different origin are always foreigners to the local population, whether they're permanent residents or citizens or not. Maybe I should have said "someone who isn't part of the majority ethnically".
  - josefx 4y ago
  - christophilus 4y ago
    US presidents cannot be foreigners. It’s written into the highest law of the land.
whyagain1885 4y ago
> elected an African American president twice This is a bit of a fallacy. The institutions/administration from top-to-bottom is important. For example, Scandinavia never had a black/brown head of state but still the police would not treat you badly like it happens in US. Yes, I have lived there. Another example, India had head of state from all different religions but does not mean all is fine and clean. The institutions are important - not the person. PS: In principle, you as US citizen want your country to top dog. All fine. At the end if every country thinks they themselves want to unilaterally be top - conflicts happen. At some point one needs to think universally - and establish a level.
PhantomBKB 4y ago
Considering how many shootings happen in the US and so many victims being little children in schools, I find it odd that you think it's a great place to prosper when being shot at is a real life threat esp. for those who can't even protect themselves. As an outsider, to me the American society doesn't seem like a sustainable one. And it corroborates the fact that so many Americans are emigrating out of America.
- danenania 4y ago
  While any school shooting is a tragedy (and imo we do clearly need stronger gun control in the US), they are extremely rare statistically. https://www.city-journal.org/school-shootings-horrific-but-statistically-rare https://www.city-journal.org/school-shootings-horrific-but-s... “the annual odds that an American child will die in a mass shooting at school are nearly 10 million to 1, about the odds of being killed by lightning or of dying in an earthquake”
  - PhantomBKB 4y ago
    There's clearly a strong opposition against gun control in US, so the fact that the media is downplaying the shootouts by comparing it to natural disasters is not surprising. But keep in mind, while Americans find it to be a commonality, it's rare to see news like this in other parts of the world: "...but students don’t need the active-shooter drills now conducted in over 95 percent of the nation’s schools..." Active shooter drills? In schools? You folk live in a first world country but act like you are living in an active warzone
    - danenania 4y ago
      Reporting the actual data is not "downplaying". And the notion that the US media downplays school shootings is about as wrong as you could possibly be. Have you ever watched US news? School shootings get 24/7 coverage for weeks. "Active shooter drills? In schools? You folk live in a first world country but act like you are living in an active warzone" These things happen due to the same kind of fear mongering and statistical illiteracy you demonstrate in your comments. School shootings are horrible, but extremely rare. It would, of course, be better if we didn't have them, just like it would be better if we didn't have earthquakes, electrical storms, plane crashes, etc. but it's not rational to make life choices based on 1 in 10 million events. You're also wrong about support for gun control. A majority of the US population supports stronger gun control. Unfortunately, in our political system, that's not sufficient to make it happen.
JCharante 4y ago
> On the grand scheme of things, if we add up the sins and good deeds, the USA has done more to improve the lives of people who are here than other places. Interestingly enough, this is the same pro CCP argument but applied to the US. I will say that the melting pot is true and that the US is one of the most immigration friendly places I've been to. (from a cultural side, not from a paperwork side). In other places you can be there for 20 years and never be considered a true citizen while in the US people would consider you a true American.

arvinsim 4y ago

Sounds like a case of "I had mine so you all can go f*ck yourselves"

moomoo11 4y ago
That's not at all what I'm saying but ok. Don't worry, I vote for education reform/strength each time, its something I think is lacking here in some areas.
- Broken_Hippo 4y ago
  Lacking? That's putting it mildly. In a lot of poor areas - or areas that are populated mostly by minorities - education is just poor. As in, so poor that there are issues transferring college credits other places in the world. Realistically, you have it backwards. In some areas, the education is fine. In many - probably the majority - it simply isn't and you'll be indebted for the rest of your life unless you are really lucky. We (Americans) pay teachers poorly and treat a number of students like criminals while punishing those same students in ways that they cannot get the same education as their peers. And this is after we've failed to make sure children have food and housing so that they can put effort towards learning. "Lacking in some areas"... yeah. With a generous definition of some.

peoplefromibiza 4y ago

moomoo11 4y ago
We can nitpick til the end of time, and I agree with you on those points. Like I said in my comment, nobody is perfect. Hell my own people were used as slaves for the longest times and called "sub humans". We can do this for so many countries, I mean some of them literally murdered millions of people in camps (Germany, USSR, China), some of them were so corrupt their entire nations failed (Sri Lanka, African nations with people like Mugabe, etc.), while others were quiet and complacent in the conquest and rape of the world (most European countries) and now tell others from a high horse.
- peoplefromibiza 4y ago
  - moomoo11 4y ago
    - peoplefromibiza 4y ago
- trasz 4y ago
  I love how USA isn’t on the list, despite the two millions of people imprisoned in US camps, which is some 25% of worlds total prison population. Not to mention ongoing prison slavery which is reportedly critical to economy in some states.
RektBoy 4y ago
Thanks, I'm saving your post for some American tourists visiting my city. Good material for pub conversation. Ahahaha
4y ago

RektBoy 4y ago

strangegecko 4y ago
> Who cares? Is this an American thing to always brag something about race, or how much "non-racist we are"? Nobody gives a sh* here. As another European who lives in Asia, I don't understand this European love of blanket ranting against Americans. Yes, the US still has a racism problem. In fact, every country in the world has racism problems. That doesn't make the topic of who can get elected irrelevant. Can you imagine ANY kind of foreigner getting elected into government in China? Or even in, say, Germany? These are different degrees of cultural openness.
- mejutoco 4y ago
  > Can you imagine ANY kind of foreigner getting elected into government in China Obama was/is african-american, not a foreigner
  - plonk 4y ago
    That's true but a black Chinese citizen probably won't have a chance for a long time either.
  - strangegecko 4y ago
    Sorry, foreigner was a clumsy choice here, and I chose it because in many Asian countries it's quasi synonymous. People of different origin are always foreigners to the local population, whether they're permanent residents or citizens or not. Maybe I should have said "someone who isn't part of the majority ethnically".
- josefx 4y ago
- christophilus 4y ago
  US presidents cannot be foreigners. It’s written into the highest law of the land.

whyagain1885 4y ago

> elected an African American president twice This is a bit of a fallacy. The institutions/administration from top-to-bottom is important. For example, Scandinavia never had a black/brown head of state but still the police would not treat you badly like it happens in US. Yes, I have lived there. Another example, India had head of state from all different religions but does not mean all is fine and clean. The institutions are important - not the person. PS: In principle, you as US citizen want your country to top dog. All fine. At the end if every country thinks they themselves want to unilaterally be top - conflicts happen. At some point one needs to think universally - and establish a level.

PhantomBKB 4y ago

Considering how many shootings happen in the US and so many victims being little children in schools, I find it odd that you think it's a great place to prosper when being shot at is a real life threat esp. for those who can't even protect themselves. As an outsider, to me the American society doesn't seem like a sustainable one. And it corroborates the fact that so many Americans are emigrating out of America.

danenania 4y ago
While any school shooting is a tragedy (and imo we do clearly need stronger gun control in the US), they are extremely rare statistically. https://www.city-journal.org/school-shootings-horrific-but-statistically-rare https://www.city-journal.org/school-shootings-horrific-but-s... “the annual odds that an American child will die in a mass shooting at school are nearly 10 million to 1, about the odds of being killed by lightning or of dying in an earthquake”
- PhantomBKB 4y ago
  There's clearly a strong opposition against gun control in US, so the fact that the media is downplaying the shootouts by comparing it to natural disasters is not surprising. But keep in mind, while Americans find it to be a commonality, it's rare to see news like this in other parts of the world: "...but students don’t need the active-shooter drills now conducted in over 95 percent of the nation’s schools..." Active shooter drills? In schools? You folk live in a first world country but act like you are living in an active warzone
  - danenania 4y ago
    Reporting the actual data is not "downplaying". And the notion that the US media downplays school shootings is about as wrong as you could possibly be. Have you ever watched US news? School shootings get 24/7 coverage for weeks. "Active shooter drills? In schools? You folk live in a first world country but act like you are living in an active warzone" These things happen due to the same kind of fear mongering and statistical illiteracy you demonstrate in your comments. School shootings are horrible, but extremely rare. It would, of course, be better if we didn't have them, just like it would be better if we didn't have earthquakes, electrical storms, plane crashes, etc. but it's not rational to make life choices based on 1 in 10 million events. You're also wrong about support for gun control. A majority of the US population supports stronger gun control. Unfortunately, in our political system, that's not sufficient to make it happen.

JCharante 4y ago

> On the grand scheme of things, if we add up the sins and good deeds, the USA has done more to improve the lives of people who are here than other places. Interestingly enough, this is the same pro CCP argument but applied to the US. I will say that the melting pot is true and that the US is one of the most immigration friendly places I've been to. (from a cultural side, not from a paperwork side). In other places you can be there for 20 years and never be considered a true citizen while in the US people would consider you a true American.