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> I want USA to do whatever it needs to be the top player Good for you, but try imagine hearing this from a Chinese national. "Whatever it needs" to do...

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peoplefromibiza 4y ago
> "Whatever it needs" to do... Like, for example, retake control of Taiwan. https://eurasiantimes.com/perturbed-by-2nd-incursion-china-warns-us-not-to-play-with-fire/ https://eurasiantimes.com/perturbed-by-2nd-incursion-china-w...
moomoo11 4y ago
Its exactly in line with what I said. End of the day, we're all on teams whether or not you like it. And every single country on this planet has baggage. I have people in my family who are living who remember what it feels like to be considered sub-human by British imperialists as they allowed famines. On the grand scheme of things, if we add up the sins and good deeds, the USA has done more to improve the lives of people who are here than other places. It is one of the major reasons my family and I immigrated here. Is it perfect? No. But it is a place where a bunch of different types of people attempt to build something together. Gridlock sucks, sometimes it feels pretty awful, but just speaking personally for myself there's nowhere else in the world where someone like me (with my skin color, religious preferences, etc.) would be able to go as far, or further. For all its faults, the USA has - elected an African American president twice - fought itself and destroyed its own people and cities over slavery - helped stop 2 world wars - most of the top companies and talent - created a sense of world stability where people for the most part chill the f out when they see and want $USD And it has also caused some problems along the way, I'm sure you can name many of them. But again, in 2022, when I do a simple calculation of where I (with my own baggage and attributes) would most prosper, I can't think of another country. I have been to Japan, loved it there, but it isn't the melting pot that America is. Again these are just my opinions, as someone who immigrated to the USA and is proud to call themselves a US citizen.
- arvinsim 4y ago
  Sounds like a case of "I had mine so you all can go f*ck yourselves"
  - moomoo11 4y ago
    That's not at all what I'm saying but ok. Don't worry, I vote for education reform/strength each time, its something I think is lacking here in some areas.
    - Broken_Hippo 4y ago
      Lacking? That's putting it mildly. In a lot of poor areas - or areas that are populated mostly by minorities - education is just poor. As in, so poor that there are issues transferring college credits other places in the world. Realistically, you have it backwards. In some areas, the education is fine. In many - probably the majority - it simply isn't and you'll be indebted for the rest of your life unless you are really lucky. We (Americans) pay teachers poorly and treat a number of students like criminals while punishing those same students in ways that they cannot get the same education as their peers. And this is after we've failed to make sure children have food and housing so that they can put effort towards learning. "Lacking in some areas"... yeah. With a generous definition of some.
- peoplefromibiza 4y ago
  - moomoo11 4y ago
    We can nitpick til the end of time, and I agree with you on those points. Like I said in my comment, nobody is perfect. Hell my own people were used as slaves for the longest times and called "sub humans". We can do this for so many countries, I mean some of them literally murdered millions of people in camps (Germany, USSR, China), some of them were so corrupt their entire nations failed (Sri Lanka, African nations with people like Mugabe, etc.), while others were quiet and complacent in the conquest and rape of the world (most European countries) and now tell others from a high horse.
cscurmudgeon 4y ago
They have been hearing it for decades. They are more draconian in dealing with foreign entities. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_websites_blocked_in_mainland_China https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_websites_blocked_in_ma...
kebman 4y ago
Whatever it needs to do becomes different based on how your country is governed. China has unelected* leaders that at least in theory holds only Communist ideals. While flawed, in a republic at least you get to vote for your leaders, and thus choose what ideals you like the best. Of course republicanism or democracy does not preclude a country from committing horrible acts, but they are cleaned up much sooner, and those who are responsible for it are thrown out of office (and sometimes even into jail). Not so in authoritarian countries like China. * You can technically vote in China, but due to its authoritarian nature only one party is allowed and you're expected to uphold the party line.
- _emacsomancer_ 4y ago
  The US also runs on an authoritarian single party system, it's just that with typical American extravagance, they have two of them.
  - kebman 4y ago
    No it doesn't. Except for cancel culture (which isn't state run btw), you can say and think almost whatever you like in the USA so long as it isn't prejudiced or harassing. You are also not punished for starting other parties in the USA, since it's completely legal. Thus there are alternatives to the Democrats and Republicans. The First Past the Post system just means that that it's extremely unlikely that alternatives will ever challenge the biggest two. Other than that the American system is decidedly liberal and free.
    - _emacsomancer_ 4y ago
      "Other than in [any way that matters materially] the American system is decidedly liberal and free."
      - kebman 4y ago
        Can you please expand upon how the American political system isn't free in any way that matters materially?

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peoplefromibiza 4y ago

> "Whatever it needs" to do... Like, for example, retake control of Taiwan. https://eurasiantimes.com/perturbed-by-2nd-incursion-china-warns-us-not-to-play-with-fire/ https://eurasiantimes.com/perturbed-by-2nd-incursion-china-w...

moomoo11 4y ago

Its exactly in line with what I said. End of the day, we're all on teams whether or not you like it. And every single country on this planet has baggage. I have people in my family who are living who remember what it feels like to be considered sub-human by British imperialists as they allowed famines. On the grand scheme of things, if we add up the sins and good deeds, the USA has done more to improve the lives of people who are here than other places. It is one of the major reasons my family and I immigrated here. Is it perfect? No. But it is a place where a bunch of different types of people attempt to build something together. Gridlock sucks, sometimes it feels pretty awful, but just speaking personally for myself there's nowhere else in the world where someone like me (with my skin color, religious preferences, etc.) would be able to go as far, or further. For all its faults, the USA has - elected an African American president twice - fought itself and destroyed its own people and cities over slavery - helped stop 2 world wars - most of the top companies and talent - created a sense of world stability where people for the most part chill the f out when they see and want $USD And it has also caused some problems along the way, I'm sure you can name many of them. But again, in 2022, when I do a simple calculation of where I (with my own baggage and attributes) would most prosper, I can't think of another country. I have been to Japan, loved it there, but it isn't the melting pot that America is. Again these are just my opinions, as someone who immigrated to the USA and is proud to call themselves a US citizen.

arvinsim 4y ago
Sounds like a case of "I had mine so you all can go f*ck yourselves"
- moomoo11 4y ago
  That's not at all what I'm saying but ok. Don't worry, I vote for education reform/strength each time, its something I think is lacking here in some areas.
  - Broken_Hippo 4y ago
    Lacking? That's putting it mildly. In a lot of poor areas - or areas that are populated mostly by minorities - education is just poor. As in, so poor that there are issues transferring college credits other places in the world. Realistically, you have it backwards. In some areas, the education is fine. In many - probably the majority - it simply isn't and you'll be indebted for the rest of your life unless you are really lucky. We (Americans) pay teachers poorly and treat a number of students like criminals while punishing those same students in ways that they cannot get the same education as their peers. And this is after we've failed to make sure children have food and housing so that they can put effort towards learning. "Lacking in some areas"... yeah. With a generous definition of some.
peoplefromibiza 4y ago
- moomoo11 4y ago
  We can nitpick til the end of time, and I agree with you on those points. Like I said in my comment, nobody is perfect. Hell my own people were used as slaves for the longest times and called "sub humans". We can do this for so many countries, I mean some of them literally murdered millions of people in camps (Germany, USSR, China), some of them were so corrupt their entire nations failed (Sri Lanka, African nations with people like Mugabe, etc.), while others were quiet and complacent in the conquest and rape of the world (most European countries) and now tell others from a high horse.

cscurmudgeon 4y ago

They have been hearing it for decades. They are more draconian in dealing with foreign entities. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_websites_blocked_in_mainland_China https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_websites_blocked_in_ma...

kebman 4y ago

Whatever it needs to do becomes different based on how your country is governed. China has unelected* leaders that at least in theory holds only Communist ideals. While flawed, in a republic at least you get to vote for your leaders, and thus choose what ideals you like the best. Of course republicanism or democracy does not preclude a country from committing horrible acts, but they are cleaned up much sooner, and those who are responsible for it are thrown out of office (and sometimes even into jail). Not so in authoritarian countries like China. * You can technically vote in China, but due to its authoritarian nature only one party is allowed and you're expected to uphold the party line.

_emacsomancer_ 4y ago
The US also runs on an authoritarian single party system, it's just that with typical American extravagance, they have two of them.
- kebman 4y ago
  No it doesn't. Except for cancel culture (which isn't state run btw), you can say and think almost whatever you like in the USA so long as it isn't prejudiced or harassing. You are also not punished for starting other parties in the USA, since it's completely legal. Thus there are alternatives to the Democrats and Republicans. The First Past the Post system just means that that it's extremely unlikely that alternatives will ever challenge the biggest two. Other than that the American system is decidedly liberal and free.
  - _emacsomancer_ 4y ago
    "Other than in [any way that matters materially] the American system is decidedly liberal and free."
    - kebman 4y ago
      Can you please expand upon how the American political system isn't free in any way that matters materially?