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> 4k during a zoom call would be fine on 100Mb Not sure what bit rate TV is at, but one 4K YouTube stream can take up to 68Mbps, and 8K even more. We're on 40

> 4k during a zoom call would be fine on 100Mb Not sure what bit rate TV is at, but one 4K YouTube stream can take up to 68Mbps, and 8K even more. We're on 400Mbps, and even then I manage to block internet for others when I download a large file at full speed.

danachow 4y ago
> We're on 400Mbps, and even then I manage to block internet for others when I download a large file at full speed. That's more of a router/QoS issue. A large download shouldn't negatively affect quality for other uses, especially VoIP. If the place you're downloading from has a pipe bigger than yours and can saturate your bandwidth you're going to need to implement some kind of rate-limiting/queue management.
- _fjb4 4y ago
  I've seen a lot of people complaining that their 100M+ connections are "slow" for that reason, and they upgrade to 1G and they complain again. It's not like they're doing much on that 1G line either, just say a Steam game download at full speed followed with a stuttering Zoom call. You'll be surprised how far you can push a 10M DSL connection with good QOS (assuming you don't have multiple users streaming video and such).
  - fragmede 4y ago
    Steam will saturate the downstream link so it's no surprise that, without qos, that it kills zoom calls
kalleboo 4y ago
I don't think I've ever seen a 4K YouTube stream over 15 Mbit, where do you find a 70 Mbit stream? Even the king of streaming bitrate, Apple TV, is said to peak at 30 Mbps
- Dylan16807 4y ago
  Yeah, 68Mbps is up there in 4K Bluray territory. And YouTube skimps on bitrate at all resolutions.
- superkarn 4y ago
  Not YouTube, but Sony Bravia Core[1] offers up to 80 Mbps streaming (some TVs only). [1] https://electronics.sony.com/bravia-core https://electronics.sony.com/bravia-core
  - kalleboo 4y ago
    Wow, is that for 8K?
refulgentis 4y ago
I'm not sure this is accurate, maybe a sufficiently cherry-picked small # of frames in a VBR recording? It, at the very least, hides more than it illuminates in that 68Mbps is an order of magnitude higher than an average 4K video's bitrate over it's duration

danachow 4y ago

> We're on 400Mbps, and even then I manage to block internet for others when I download a large file at full speed. That's more of a router/QoS issue. A large download shouldn't negatively affect quality for other uses, especially VoIP. If the place you're downloading from has a pipe bigger than yours and can saturate your bandwidth you're going to need to implement some kind of rate-limiting/queue management.

_fjb4 4y ago
I've seen a lot of people complaining that their 100M+ connections are "slow" for that reason, and they upgrade to 1G and they complain again. It's not like they're doing much on that 1G line either, just say a Steam game download at full speed followed with a stuttering Zoom call. You'll be surprised how far you can push a 10M DSL connection with good QOS (assuming you don't have multiple users streaming video and such).
- fragmede 4y ago
  Steam will saturate the downstream link so it's no surprise that, without qos, that it kills zoom calls

kalleboo 4y ago

I don't think I've ever seen a 4K YouTube stream over 15 Mbit, where do you find a 70 Mbit stream? Even the king of streaming bitrate, Apple TV, is said to peak at 30 Mbps

Dylan16807 4y ago
Yeah, 68Mbps is up there in 4K Bluray territory. And YouTube skimps on bitrate at all resolutions.
superkarn 4y ago
Not YouTube, but Sony Bravia Core[1] offers up to 80 Mbps streaming (some TVs only). [1] https://electronics.sony.com/bravia-core https://electronics.sony.com/bravia-core
- kalleboo 4y ago
  Wow, is that for 8K?

refulgentis 4y ago

I'm not sure this is accurate, maybe a sufficiently cherry-picked small # of frames in a VBR recording? It, at the very least, hides more than it illuminates in that 68Mbps is an order of magnitude higher than an average 4K video's bitrate over it's duration