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Element (Matrix) adds video/voice rooms
- jphsnsir 4y agoCould we use matrix as identification for git issues, etc.? On self hosted git repos. Instead of github,gitlab,bitbucket. Then you can communicate with all those self hosted repos without making accounts for every single one. And you could choose your software (gitea,gitlab,...)
- thinkmassive 4y agoYou might be interested in following the Forge Federation project https://forgefriends.org/blog/2022/06/30/2022-06-state-forge-federation/ https://forgefriends.org/blog/2022/06/30/2022-06-state-forge...
- smegsicle 4y agotelegram is still missing group audio conference, or group e2e chats of any kind
- ffpip 4y agoTelegram has group audio/video calls. https://telegram.org/blog/voice-chats https://telegram.org/blog/voice-chats https://telegram.org/blog/group-video-calls https://telegram.org/blog/group-video-calls
- edwinjose 4y agoElement is slow and resource heavy, I wonder how adding group video rooms will affect it.
- theK 4y agoRan an instance of the reference implementation for a year or two and hadn't noticed resource consumption that much tbh. And this was for an organization with hundreds of members. Did something change in the past two years?
- Arathorn 4y agonope, perf has improved a lot in the last 2 years (on web, at least). android and ios are still slower than they should be in accounts with large rooms, but there is a bunch of step changes on the horizon (called “sliding sync”) which should eliminate that.
- Akronymus 4y agoI think a lot of the "element is slow" can be attributed for using the matrix homeserver. I personally notice it somewhat frequently that that one is quite slow, in comparison to a privately hosted one.
- Legogris 4y agoI do hope I'm not spamming you here but an acknowledgment would be appreciated. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32026459 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32026459 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32020929 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32020929 Summary: element-desktop sluggish and freezing with accounts with large amount of rooms and history on Linux (consistent across devices, dists, and DEs). This is separate from a recent freezing issue which was fixed in v1.11.0.
- Arathorn 4y agoHave responded at https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32093491 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32093491.
- mikae1 4y agoFirst, can we please stop replacing every word in the dictionary with “experience”? https://youtu.be/nGHbOckpifw https://youtu.be/nGHbOckpifw Many of European states (including mine) are looking into ways of replacing Teams and Office 365. Video/voice rooms is a must have and this is a very important update for Matrix. Just updated Element and will be trying soon. :)
- gsich 4y agoYou can have negative experiences, but this has not been noticed yet by PR heads.
- mnholt 4y ago> Many of European states (including mine) are looking into ways of replacing Teams and Office 365. Can you explain why this is the case? As a U.S. based user dealing with Government work o365 GCC High seems basically required. :/ I loathe Teams, but MSFT makes it hard to choose something else when it's included in all o365 tiers.
- shakna 4y agoThe US CLOUD Act is incompatible with the GDPR. The goals are the complete opposite and complying with both is extremely difficult, leading to several recent cases ruling that using Google services is likely illegal in the EU.
- cassianoleal 4y agoI'm not GP but I'm guessing it's for data sovereignty reasons. Microsoft is a US company subject to the CLOUD Act. The US Govt don't need to worry about this since the act was passed for their own benefit. Other countries do.
- mikae1 4y ago> Can you explain why this is the case? Because Schrems II[1]. As an example, the city of Stockholm will stop using 365[2] (for the time being). [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Max_Schrems#Schrems_II https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Max_Schrems#Schrems_II [2] https://www-nyteknik-se.translate.goog/digitalisering/beskedet-stockholms-stad-stoppar-microsoft-365-7027568?_x_tr_sl=sv&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-US https://www-nyteknik-se.translate.goog/digitalisering/besked...
- LightHugger 4y agoElement is still missing a way to turn off broadcasting read receipts despite being an allegedly privacy focused client as advertised on their website. It makes me think the maintainers are a little confused about privacy in some aspects.
- Arathorn 4y agoNo, it's just been a painful problem to solve. If you're interested, you can see the massive discussion around it at https://github.com/matrix-org/matrix-spec-proposals/pull/2285 https://github.com/matrix-org/matrix-spec-proposals/pull/228.... The implementations have been around for a while, and as it happens we got to consensus on the spec discussion yesterday, and the PRs to enable it by default in Element Web and Synapse landed an hour ago: https://github.com/matrix-org/matrix-js-sdk/pull/2524 https://github.com/matrix-org/matrix-js-sdk/pull/2524 https://github.com/vector-im/element-web/pull/22242 https://github.com/vector-im/element-web/pull/22242 https://github.com/matrix-org/synapse/pull/13273 https://github.com/matrix-org/synapse/pull/13273
- your_challenger 4y agoTalk about a bleeding edge feature
- LightHugger 4y agoI'm glad it's happening in that case. Last i had checked a contributor had locked the issue discussion a year or more ago after losing an argument about an interim stopgap being useful to solve the immediate privacy issue. A story as old as the internet itself, that one. So at least that one contributor did not care about interim privacy which gives the obvious "we don't care" signal when not contradicted by anyone else.
- theK 4y agoCongrats to the element team for delivering the first decentralized messaging system that can be used in a modern context (open, full E2EE, hostable and not only text oriented) Plus points for showing the world that you don't need a blockchain for this :-)
- rvz 4y ago> Plus points for showing the world that you don't need a blockchain for this :-) Who said you did need it for this feature in the first place? I don't think anyone did. Since no one suggested to use a blockchain for this particular feature, it is more likely that crypto supporters want to add crypto wallets in messengers which is what most competitors have already done, unlike Element. Notably Signal which still has a crypto wallet where I see many Signal fans getting extremely upset about that. You better pray and hope that Element does not introduce a crypto wallet, just like what Signal, Session, Keybase has done.
- Arathorn 4y ago> You better pray and hope that Element does not introduce a crypto wallet, just like what Signal, Session, Keybase has done. That is not going to happen.
- xorcist 4y agoNot likely since the Matrix ecosystem seems to be open source even in practice, where outside development is accepted and encouraged. Disabling features is unproblematic. The other systems you mentioned is either all proprietary or has limited source code availability where there's no practical way to fork it or develop it further.
- theK 4y agoSignal is not decentralized and I don't really see how it could compete with what matrix has to offer. The Blockchain comment is a jab at all the "crypto messengers" out there like obsidian, echo, status and the like.
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- usr1106 4y agoIs this usable for a general public? They don't seem to mention anything about encryption. I have played with Matrix on several occasions. I think one of the big promises was E2E encryption and as those who have worked in the area know it's not an easiy problem to solve. I have accounts on more than 1 homeserver. I have various keys in my password manager which I don't necessarily understand how they are used. I have old messages that I cannot decrypt, despite being sure that I have never lost any keys. In summary: In my experience Matrix has not been an easy experience even for a user of gpg. Here I am not asking how is this made secure and usable. I am just asking is this usable for anybody who does not even know what a homeserver is, would never understand what a key or fingerprint is and has no account yet?
- Arathorn 4y agoThe current video rooms implementation is powered by Jitsi, which optionally exposes E2EE for clients which support it (Element Web on Chrome and possibly Safari) via insertable streams and megolm crypto from Matrix. It isn't hooked into Matrix's key identity system though. In the nearish future we'll swap it to use Element Call which now has native Matrix E2EE over native Matrix calling and works on all platforms: https://element.io/blog/element-call-beta-2-encryption-spatial-audio-walkie-talkie-mode-and-more/ https://element.io/blog/element-call-beta-2-encryption-spati... In terms of crypto UX being problematic in Element as a whole: yes, there is still work to be done to improve the UX, and we're very aware of it.
- johnnymorgan 4y agoI've never heard of this and will be checking it out. Have you cracked positional audio, ie letting people in the back sidebar convos (duck the main chat) or move around to have private convos? Gaming has pulled this off, DayZ star citizen etc. I've kicked around the idea of using some of these game worlds because they have positional audio and handle crowds way better. It's the chat around the Watercooler that is the missing gap imo
- Arathorn 4y ago
- LAC-Tech 4y agoI remember trying to use element for group voice calls, but it wouldn't work with more than one person. Is this a more polished experience now?
- brnt 4y agoIt's not clear whether this concerns Matrix-the-protocol or Element-the-client. The page itself seems to be about the client. Maybe this can be cleared up in the submission title. I'm using an alternative client, but I see that that space is nowhere near keeping up with the features Element are pushing out. Mine doesn't even support spaces yet. I'd like to use a 'native' client (Linux/KDE person here), but there's not much choice (I never got the Neochat flatpak to work reliable for instance, on a variety of distros). So, one must basically go with the Element (web) client, which is not very light. I have nothing but good words for the project btw, thanks and keep it up :)
- pixxel 4y agoFWIW I use FluffyChat (Flutter) on Manjaro Plasma KDE and iOS which runs nice and perky. Has Spaces etc. https://gitlab.com/famedly/fluffychat https://gitlab.com/famedly/fluffychat
- brnt 4y agoI can't figure out how to browse rooms in a Space using Fluffy. There appears to be no documentation. If you know how, I'd be much obliged :)
- half-kh-hacker 4y agoThis uses plain Matrix events to negotiate a Jitsi call: It's an Element feature.
- your_challenger 4y agoI use fluffychat and cinny. Yes, I might be missing out on newer features (threads, widgets, video rooms, etc). But at this stage I'm happy with what these clients offer.
- nyanpasu64 4y agoSurprisingly nheko seems to basically work, including spaces and encryption. I also heard Thunderbird 102 added fairly complete Matrix support, but it takes a little while to roll out to Linux distributions so I haven't tried it yet.
- ilaksh 4y agoIs this something that is built into Matrix somehow now or is really specific to Element?
- tintedfireglass 4y agoFWIW it looks like a jitsi meet implementation. I'm not sure though
- your_challenger 4y agoYup it's on jitsi. They say they'll replace that with element call[1] soon(-ish) [1] https://element.io/blog/introducing-native-matrix-voip-with-element-call/ https://element.io/blog/introducing-native-matrix-voip-with-...
- yaya69 4y agoA new world Matrix.
- plaguepilled 4y agoVery excited for Element to replace Discord as the de-facto chat software.
- a3w 4y ago*group chat software
- Z_I_F_F 4y agoWhy not chat as well?
- a3w 4y agoThe de facto default chat software is probably WhatsApp, or perhaps Telegram if your group of people lives in the german alternative scene (or, placed from germany, perhaps more eastern countries?). But default group chat could well be Discord, not formerly Slack(?), any more.
- ewuhic 4y agoThey should definitelly add zulip thread model.
- trenchgun 4y agoStrongly agreed
- anticensor 4y agoThreads as rooms?
- ajvs 4y agoI wish I could upvote this more than once.
- sureglymop 4y agoWhat's missing from the current threads implementation?
- manifoldgeo 4y agoI'm a little confused by this announcement; does this mean that I have to host my own Jitsi Meet server and that Element will connect to it, or does this new version of Element "bring its own" Jitsi? I host my own instance of Matrix / Element Web, so this would be great if it's not too difficult to set up.
- sureglymop 4y agoYes. You can point it at your own instance of jitsi or at a public open one. I'm currently hosting jitsi as well but still trying to figure out how to make it not publicly available while still being usable in Element. I have configured my self hosted element web to point at my instance but if a user logs into the matrix home server with e.g. the element app it will still have the public element jitsi pre configured afaik.
- smartbit 4y agoQuestion: in the new video Rooms of Element (Matrix), can multiple users at the same time share both their screen and their video? This is a feature of Whereby that in my personal experience is indispensable for pair-work. Besides Teams not being GDPR compliant, Teams imho is designed with the typical US hierarchical boss presents, workers listen-model and doesn’t cater for a cooperative model of sharing screens at the same time, like Norwegian Whereby does.
- Arathorn 4y agoIn Element Call, yes. In Jitsi (the current impl), no.
- sureglymop 4y agoI have a question since you seem to be involved with element. Is it possible to make element list all users of a home server? Or is a custom identity server required for that? I think there used to be a project called mxisd which is now unmaintained... This feature would be great to e.g. replace slack with matrix/element.
- Arathorn 4y agoYou can fiddle this option on your homeserver: https://matrix-org.github.io/synapse/latest/usage/configuration/config_documentation.html#user_directory https://matrix-org.github.io/synapse/latest/usage/configurat... Or if you don’t have a homeserver, invite all your users to a space so you can see them there. Identity servers are generally just for looking up user by email or phone number (although mxisd did intercept some endpoints to add a user directory before synapse exposed the option above).
- sureglymop 4y agoThanks for the reply :) I've configured that setting but it still won't outright list all the users to a new user, although it will let them search for eachother. I guess I could do it by automatically joining all users who register to a welcome channel, i saw that there's a setting for that in synapse.