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I understand the reasoning, but then shouldn't someone leaving a job voluntarily just stop showing up without any warning as well? This would avoid problems su

I understand the reasoning, but then shouldn't someone leaving a job voluntarily just stop showing up without any warning as well? This would avoid problems such as retaliation by the employer, etc. It's rather strange that employees are expected to give advanced notice when quitting, but employers are not expected to give advanced notice when firing people.

bushbaba 4y ago
In most US states, you do not need to give any notice to your employer when quitting. However not giving notice can burn a future bridge. Similar to how a poorly done layoff, (such-as coinbase) can prevent talented candidates from considering the company.
- oarabbus_ 4y ago
  >Similar to how a poorly done layoff, (such-as coinbase) Coinbase offered 3.5 months' severance pay minimum, plus additional severance pay based on employee tenure. If that's a poorly done layoff, what's a well-done one?
  - rot13xor 4y ago
    I think the bigger problem with Coinbase is how they rescinded job offers. Management either didn't know a layoff was coming a few weeks ahead of time or it didn't get communicated to recruiters.
    - lovehashbrowns 4y ago
      Have yet to experience a rescinded job offer but god damn that’s my biggest fear in life. Moving to a new place for a new job and getting royally fucked. Bit less of an issue nowadays with more remote jobs, though. Just went through this on a move to Austin from Chicago. I was legitimately scared for my life until the end of my first day at the new job. I have savings, of course, but the pressure is still there.
      - alldayeveryday 4y ago
        One tactic I have seen employees take is to agree to relocate within the first N days of starting a new job. This gives the employee the ability to start work, making sure the company is not going to rescind the offer, and to generally get a feel for things before they completely uproot themselves to a new city.
stu2b50 4y ago
Nothing is stopping you from doing exactly that as an employee.
bpodgursky 4y ago
> employers are not expected to give advanced notice when firing people It's almost universal that layoffs include (at minimum) a few weeks of full pay. Sometimes months. It's effectively the same as getting advanced notice, you just aren't expected to do any work after you get notice.
- me_me_me 4y ago
  > It's almost universal <Insert land of freedom here>
oarabbus_ 4y ago
>It's rather strange that employees are expected to give advanced notice when quitting, but employers are not expected to give advanced notice when firing people. Well on the flip side I know many people who've received severance pay after being let go, but I don't know anyone who's provided labor to a company for months after leaving.
- andrewingram 4y ago
  If a former colleague asks me a question about how something works, I usually answer and don't charge them. I should probably charge them...
  - oarabbus_ 4y ago
    If it's someone I had a good relationship with and they ask me a question, I'd probably answer too. But I do consider this different than what I meant e.g. completing actual tasks for the company.
    - eindiran 4y ago
      That is completing actual tasks for the company. You are effectively acting as a consultant for them. And I have heard of a number of cases of people actually coming back to fix something briefly, which is even further in that direction.
      - oarabbus_ 4y ago
        Sure, coming back to fix something is absolutely completing actual tasks for the company. But I certainly disagree you can generalize answering a question as "effectively acting as a consultant for [the company]". Someone who replaced you but you don't know reaches out asking for help on their work? Or you're being asked questions you'd need to dig in to? "Sorry, I don't work there anymore". But answering a text message from someone you had a good relationship with, who is asking a question in good faith, the answer to which you can recall without effort? Wouldn't agree with calling that consulting.
tomhoward 4y ago
I understand and sympathise with the compassionate aspects of the issue, but "giving notice" need only mean paying out a few weeks' time, rather than allowing/requiring the employee to keep coming in.
quesera 4y ago
> employees are expected to give advanced notice when quitting In many places and industries, you become a risk when you give notice, and are cut off from company resources immediately. This is most visible in the financial industry, but I've seen it elsewhere too. It's not really a big deal. Everyone understands it, and you just adjust your communication choices accordingly.
- chii 4y ago
  > you become a risk when you give notice, and are cut off from company resources immediately. which sounds like to me a carte blanche permission to not do any more work after giving notice if that happens.
  - quesera 4y ago
    Well yes, in addition to being cut off from resources, you're generally asked to clean out your desk and enjoy your vacation. Some places will immediately escort you from the building. Sounds harsh if you're not used to it. But it makes a lot of sense within the industry, and no one's feelings get hurt in practice.
HeyLaughingBoy 4y ago
There's nothing legally stopping you from not going into to work tomorrow. You don't even have to speak to them ever again as long as you make sure to return any of their equipment that you have in your possession.

bushbaba 4y ago

In most US states, you do not need to give any notice to your employer when quitting. However not giving notice can burn a future bridge. Similar to how a poorly done layoff, (such-as coinbase) can prevent talented candidates from considering the company.

oarabbus_ 4y ago
>Similar to how a poorly done layoff, (such-as coinbase) Coinbase offered 3.5 months' severance pay minimum, plus additional severance pay based on employee tenure. If that's a poorly done layoff, what's a well-done one?
- rot13xor 4y ago
  I think the bigger problem with Coinbase is how they rescinded job offers. Management either didn't know a layoff was coming a few weeks ahead of time or it didn't get communicated to recruiters.
  - lovehashbrowns 4y ago
    Have yet to experience a rescinded job offer but god damn that’s my biggest fear in life. Moving to a new place for a new job and getting royally fucked. Bit less of an issue nowadays with more remote jobs, though. Just went through this on a move to Austin from Chicago. I was legitimately scared for my life until the end of my first day at the new job. I have savings, of course, but the pressure is still there.
    - alldayeveryday 4y ago
      One tactic I have seen employees take is to agree to relocate within the first N days of starting a new job. This gives the employee the ability to start work, making sure the company is not going to rescind the offer, and to generally get a feel for things before they completely uproot themselves to a new city.

stu2b50 4y ago

Nothing is stopping you from doing exactly that as an employee.

bpodgursky 4y ago

> employers are not expected to give advanced notice when firing people It's almost universal that layoffs include (at minimum) a few weeks of full pay. Sometimes months. It's effectively the same as getting advanced notice, you just aren't expected to do any work after you get notice.

me_me_me 4y ago
> It's almost universal <Insert land of freedom here>

oarabbus_ 4y ago

>It's rather strange that employees are expected to give advanced notice when quitting, but employers are not expected to give advanced notice when firing people. Well on the flip side I know many people who've received severance pay after being let go, but I don't know anyone who's provided labor to a company for months after leaving.

andrewingram 4y ago
If a former colleague asks me a question about how something works, I usually answer and don't charge them. I should probably charge them...
- oarabbus_ 4y ago
  If it's someone I had a good relationship with and they ask me a question, I'd probably answer too. But I do consider this different than what I meant e.g. completing actual tasks for the company.
  - eindiran 4y ago
    That is completing actual tasks for the company. You are effectively acting as a consultant for them. And I have heard of a number of cases of people actually coming back to fix something briefly, which is even further in that direction.
    - oarabbus_ 4y ago
      Sure, coming back to fix something is absolutely completing actual tasks for the company. But I certainly disagree you can generalize answering a question as "effectively acting as a consultant for [the company]". Someone who replaced you but you don't know reaches out asking for help on their work? Or you're being asked questions you'd need to dig in to? "Sorry, I don't work there anymore". But answering a text message from someone you had a good relationship with, who is asking a question in good faith, the answer to which you can recall without effort? Wouldn't agree with calling that consulting.

tomhoward 4y ago

I understand and sympathise with the compassionate aspects of the issue, but "giving notice" need only mean paying out a few weeks' time, rather than allowing/requiring the employee to keep coming in.

quesera 4y ago

> employees are expected to give advanced notice when quitting In many places and industries, you become a risk when you give notice, and are cut off from company resources immediately. This is most visible in the financial industry, but I've seen it elsewhere too. It's not really a big deal. Everyone understands it, and you just adjust your communication choices accordingly.

chii 4y ago
> you become a risk when you give notice, and are cut off from company resources immediately. which sounds like to me a carte blanche permission to not do any more work after giving notice if that happens.
- quesera 4y ago
  Well yes, in addition to being cut off from resources, you're generally asked to clean out your desk and enjoy your vacation. Some places will immediately escort you from the building. Sounds harsh if you're not used to it. But it makes a lot of sense within the industry, and no one's feelings get hurt in practice.

HeyLaughingBoy 4y ago

There's nothing legally stopping you from not going into to work tomorrow. You don't even have to speak to them ever again as long as you make sure to return any of their equipment that you have in your possession.