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France bans veggie ′steaks,′ ′sausages′ to describe vegetarian products
- arcticbull 4y agoThey're not banning veggie 'steaks' and 'sausages', they're saying they need a new name. Title is inaccurate, worth changing @dang.
- arthurcolle 4y agothe single quotes make it pretty clear IMO, not sure it is that important
- progman32 4y agoOriginal title is much clearer. > France bans use of 'steak,' 'sausage' to describe vegetarian products
- justin66 4y agoI almost wrote an insistent comment about how literally no one could be confused by that story title. Then I scrolled past the comment by the guy who was "tricked into buying vegan sausages," and now I just don't know.
- WaxProlix 4y agoHe's showing his ass all over these threads too, talking about that time he accidentally bought the wrong thing and how the vegan cabal is out to get him now. There should be a limit to the number of times an anecdote can be posted in a single story's comment section. At least it's funny in this case.
- wumpus 4y agoI posted a comment hoping he wasn't ill for too long after consuming this surprising vegan product... got downvoted. Oh well.
- jryb 4y agoI eat only plant-based foods and actually prefer unique names/spellings for these products. It can be worrying when an ostensibly vegan restaurant sells something that really tastes like meat and the menu says "beef" or whatever.
- happytoexplain 4y agoI wouldn't categorize "beef" with "steak" and "sausage". The former is a substance, the latter are formats.
- throwawayffffas 4y agoThat's just not true, steak refers to cuts of beef and sausage to pork products. There is a reason that sausages made from turkey are "turkey sausages" but sausages made from pork are just sausages. I am in favor of the ban, when dealing with food we should call things what they are. They can call vegan burgers patties, sausage like things rolls or whatever. People who want to buy them will still know what they are getting.
- zeroimpl 4y agoI ordered chicken wings at a vegan fast food restaurant. I too would have preferred if the name was more specific, even though it’s implied by the context. It was my first time at the restaurant so I specifically asked them to confirm it was vegan. Also some chains/brands do a very poor job labeling their things so that it’s obviously plant-based. For example at Tim Hortons: Farmers wrap=meat based, Harvest wrap=plant based. Feels intentionally confusing.
- aparticulate 4y agoI wonder if India points to the future of this kind of thing. They have a labelling system that seems to work quite well. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:FSSAI_new_labels_for_veg_and_non-veg.png https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:FSSAI_new_labels_for_veg_... the cute names like farmers/harvest will age really badly i feel like… sounds like committee thinking
- mmastrac 4y agoNot being able to use Sausage is ridiculous. It's a tube of something. It doesn't need to be meat. You already need a qualifier to understand what it's made from.
- readthenotes1 4y agoIt's always good to question whether that something really has any meat in it anyway!
- rootsudo 4y agoThere's a great my minster clip about this - some things never change. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TpNY2KfF92k https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TpNY2KfF92k
- wolfgang42 4y agoSince this is a law in France, trying to apply English definitions is probably unhelpful. Here’s my translation of the definition[1] from Dictionnaire de l'Académie française, the official French dictionary: > SAUCISSE (n) Intestine filled with chopped meats, most commonly pork, seasoned in various ways, which is often eaten hot. This does seem to fairly definitely exclude vegetarian options. [1] https://www.dictionnaire-academie.fr/article/A9S0563 https://www.dictionnaire-academie.fr/article/A9S0563
- 0110101001 4y agoIn the US, at least, most commercial sausages are made with artificial casings, rather than gut casings. I'd be surprised if that wasn't also the case in France as it makes industrial-scale production a lot easier without much difference in end product. Despite their efforts, dictionary definitions aren't always in sync with common usage, and it seems obvious that the latter is what we should regulate on.
- JumpCrisscross 4y agoEh, I remember being confused about American breakfast sausage being served with no regard to the casing. These terms aren’t perfectly portable across languages.
- markstos 4y agoThe US meat and dairy industry have asked for similar bans as well. The problem is, consumers aren't actually confused. Different names will used if need be and consumers will continue the trend of reducing their meat consumption for environmental, health, or ethical reasons.
- coffeefirst 4y agoHonestly I think giving them new names would increase popularity. It lets the food stand on its own without the expectation of being an imitation. Falafel, for example, is amazing and didn't need to be called "Chickpea Burgers" for people to like it.
- markstos 4y agoThe market wants both. Someone just transitioning from may be explicitly looking for a plant-based version of what they've been eating. Someone raised vegetarian or who hasn't eaten meat in a long time may repulsed by the thought of eating meat has no interest in names that remind them of eating animals.
- kjkjadksj 4y agoWhat sucks is I think the clones are terrible introductions to vegetarian food compared to the real deals. Screw a fake chicken nugget and ketchup, give people a falafel ball and yogurt sauce. The best vegetarian food there is makes no attempt to be fake meat, it stands on its own.
- Spivak 4y agoIf you’re using chicken nuggets as the example you’re way off. Every vegetarian and vegan swears by Morning Star buffalo nuggets and the Gardein Ultimate Nuggets are better than chicken. You’re right about a lot of veggie substitutes but nuggets are one of the cases where it is just as good.
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- tpmx 4y agoIt's getting ridiculous here in Sweden. Actual product names (they tend to use English, sometimes with intentional misspellings to get around regulations, I assume): "Vegan Grated Ch<heart emoji><heart emoji>se" (https://assets.icanet.se/t_product_large_2x_v1,f_auto/7310240214079.jpg https://assets.icanet.se/t_product_large_2x_v1,f_auto/731024...) "Roast Beaf - Plant-based cold cut" (https://assets.icanet.se/t_product_large_2x_v1,f_auto/7350037193491.jpg https://assets.icanet.se/t_product_large_2x_v1,f_auto/735003...) "Parveggio - grated" (https://assets.icanet.se/t_product_large_2x_v1,f_auto/5292874000032.jpg https://assets.icanet.se/t_product_large_2x_v1,f_auto/529287...) "Greek style" (https://assets.icanet.se/t_product_large_2x_v1,f_auto/5292874001299.jpg https://assets.icanet.se/t_product_large_2x_v1,f_auto/529287...) If I were vegan, I'd feel offended.
- shireboy 4y agoWas thinking this is going to lead to some cringey product names. "veak" and "vausage" for the uncreative and it goes downhill from there. Our family calls it "feat" for "fake meat"
- pkaye 4y agoI'm trademarking 5teak, 5ausage, Chee5e and Mi7k.
- Rodeoclash 4y agoSounds like what's on the menu at The Black Sun in Snow Crash
- franciscop 4y agoMi1k?
- hulitu 4y agoM337k
- tus666 4y ago> as food from dead animals. Who describes meat like that? Is it a german thing? Weird.
- boomboomsubban 4y agoHow would you describe meat?
- tus666 4y agoI wouldn't. That's the point.
- tommit 4y agoTrue, much easier to ignore what it is and just get some nice sausages
- kjkjadksj 4y agoWould you describe vegetarian food as “food from dead plants” or the harvested product, like soy/tofu? Meat is the name of the product.
- Ekaros 4y agoTo me many of these new products look like "industrially ultaprocessed and unproven food".
- sys_64738 4y agoI agree with this as I only eat meat based products so don’t want to be mislead by fake steak or fake sausage made of artificial replacements.
- wolfgang42 4y agoThis appears to be the actual regulation in question (in French, obviously) in case anyone is particularly interested: https://www.legifrance.gouv.fr/jorf/id/JORFTEXT000045978360 https://www.legifrance.gouv.fr/jorf/id/JORFTEXT000045978360
- briandoll 4y agoIn the US, the dairy industry tried this and thankfully lost (in California): The Animal Legal Defense Fund represented Miyoko’s Kitchen in its challenge of unconstitutional restrictions placed on plant-based dairy products’ marketing and labeling Miyoko makes vegan cheese and brought the California Department of Food and Agriculture to court to challenge their ban on the term "cheese" to represent her products. She won. https://aldf.org/article/miyokos-victorious-in-first-amendment-lawsuit-against-california-department-of-food-and-agriculture/ https://aldf.org/article/miyokos-victorious-in-first-amendme...
- xdennis 4y agoThat would be completely fair, assuming the reverse is true as well. That is, being able to sell real cheese as "vegan cheese" to trick vegans into eating it. I was tricked into buying vegan sausages. They don't deserve protection either.
- autarch 4y agoYes, this is a great business idea! Would you like to fund my "vegan cheese from dairy" company? I'll give you a 10% stake for $10M USD.
- jefftk 4y agoThe ruling was that they could call it things like "vegan cheese", not an unqualified "cheese".
- xdennis 4y agoSo then we should be able to use the term "real vegan cheese", but not an unqualified "vegan cheese".
- kennywinker 4y agoI think “real” is a bit of a problem there because if vegan cheese is real it means it’s really vegan. I think the analog you’re looking for would be “fake vegan cheese”, or to make it less double-negativey we could just say “dairy cheese” which would be a perfectly understandable modifier on cheese just like how “vegan cheese” is a perfectly understandable modifier. If vegan cheese is a problem i’d like to hear your take on “electric car”
- ggm 4y agoThis debate won't end in a hurry. We've been arguing about what beer is since the German beer laws and before. British Sausages cause hilarity in Europe. The idea that definitionally we can state a-priori what is or is not the current meaning of a term when language itself is plastic is kind of broken because the distinction between Cows, Cattle, Beef, Veal, Bison, Oxen, Bullock and Bull, Buffalo and Bison and Cow, Game or farmed, Fresh or was that snap-frozen, is endless. Cut a "steak" off that plank, no no not cross-grain, I meant along the grain. Ok so nobody calls a plank a steak. but we do talk about "grain" in muscle and wood, and guess what, "grain" introduces legal nightmares when it comes to labelling cuts of meat, and wood. A very cross-grained argument. Oh yea, "corn" and "wheat" are knocking at the door ever since english encountered the americas. If we succeed in growing cell cultures from samples as in Kornbluth and Pohl's "Space Merchant" chicken Little (1950s) or Asimov's 'zymoveal' (1950s) what are we going to call it? Is cell cultured meat still meat and this is just an attack on the plants?
- xdennis 4y agoYou're conflating metaphors with obfuscation. For example, coconut milk is named so simply because it's a white liquid. It's not trying to be a replacement for milk, or trying to confuse people, it's just a metaphor. But vegan milk, sausages, etc, are all meant to be as similar to the real things as possible so as to cause confusion.
- Nursie 4y agoNobody's trying to confuse anyone though, they're trying to provide alternatives. "Sausage" is such a generic term, covering so very many things, that it's bizarre to try and restrict it. (edit: almost forgot we are talking about France, a country which tries to control its language by law. Carry on then!)
- mgkimsal 4y agoagreed on genericness. I have generally at least 2 options anywhere I go - sausage or turkey sausage, with the default assumption of 'pork'. But many places around me have (pork) sausage, turkey sausage, and vegan sausage. I don't think it's that hard, or confuses people (or, at least the people who care about vegan in the first place).
- phs318u 4y agoConsidering how little actual meat protein can be in 'sausages' and the extent to which 'boutique' sausages make a marketing point of the non-meat content of the sausage, I find it ironic that products reducing the meat ratio to zero can't be labelled sausages.
- mc32 4y agoYes, yes! This is common sense. Do not try and ride the coattails of existing products to sell a product that is the opposite of the products it's pretending to be. Be honest. It's an plant-based protein burrito it's not a damned "chik'n burrito" or "sliced cheeze". And don't get me started with the "milks". It's a freaking emulsion oat-grain emulsion, or oat beverage. What's nexy Coca-cola with a white fizzy drink, "cola-milk"? Thank you France!
- kjksf 4y agoNot sure what product you're referring to. To use a concrete example: Impossible Burger is not opposite of burger but 100% designed to be impossible to tell apart from a cow burger. So it's common sense to also call it a burger.
- mc32 4y ago'burger' no longer refers to Hamburger sandwiches only. So we have chicken burgers, veggie burgers, fish burgers, etc. Where 'burger' is shorthand for hot bun-sandwich. So I'm okay with "impossible burger" I would not be okay with "Impossible Hamburger" A Hamburger would refer to a sandwich made of ground meat --originally a Hamburg steak.
- zzo38computer 4y agoYes, this I agree, and the linked article also says that "burger" can be used in this way. I do agree with you that "hamburger" should not be used for the "impossible burger". (However, you can write "hamburger buns" for buns that can be used with "hamburger", even if the bun can also be used with other kind of "burger sandwiches" too.)
- wumpus 4y agoThose "milks" have been called that for 100s of years. Even better, in western Europe, their consumption is linked to the dominant religion.
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- tjr225 4y agoIf you’ve ever been tricked into eating vegan or plant based meat alternatives based on packaging alone, you might be a moron.
- muro 4y agoWith the much higher margins, confusing is the whole purpose.
- tjr225 4y agoEven if it was, which I sincerely doubt, I never said it wasn’t. Re read my post.
- thomasfromcdnjs 4y agoElderly.
- inawarminister 4y agoConsumers are much less able to analyse transitive goods than the ability of producers to play around with them, that's the entire rationale of consumer protection laws.
- sarsway 4y agoThe problem is not people being tricked, but vegan food simply needs proper names. "Vegan steak" is not meat, so what it? What is vegan cheese? Could be anything. It's not very descriptive. When you see seitan or tofu, you know what you're getting.
- xbar 4y agoFrance gets some things very right.
- scifibestfi 4y agoIs this one of them?
- joaonmatos 4y agoI hope not
- hintymad 4y agoWhy do veg people want to advertise veg products with references to meat? I'd promote the unique or superior taste of my veg stuff, right? I don't want to eat meat in the first place, after all.
- explodingcamera 4y agoA lot of people eat vegan food because they don't want to kill animals, not because it tastes better...
- danielheath 4y agoPlenty of people eating vegetarian for moral reasons, but miss the flavour or texture of meat.
- Doxin 4y agoIn my experience the meat references are mostly referring to the functionality of the product. E.g. if I want to eat a pair of buns with some meat, cheese, salad in between I can simply look for a vegetarian "burger" and know that it's attempting to solve for that exact use-case. Best example of this I know of is probably the vegetarian hot dogs at ikea. They taste nothing like hot dogs, but boy do they taste great in a hot dog bun with ketchup.
- McBeige 4y agoI love meat, but choose to abstain for ethical reasons. Ethical concerns - rather than strictly dietary or culinary ones - are common reasons for being vegan or vegetarian. Did you not know that?
- bernardv 4y agoGood move. Nothing against vegan ‘meat’, but simply call it what it really is.
- ChildOfChaos 4y agoBut that is what it is, these things have been called vegetarian sausages for as long as they have been around. There is no confusing them, everyone knows what they are, meat eaters and non meat eaters alike. It describes the product, not that it contains meat, yes vegan 'meat' would be a bit of a silly description, but vegan burger, vegan sausage, vegan nugget is not for example, that is all that needs to be used and it's clear for everyone, start calling them vegan discs or vegan tubes and it's just strange.
- totetsu 4y agoHow about jelly and pudding.. these were traditionally associated with meat products untill language and food culture moved on.
- aparticulate 4y agoDo they have this problem in India? Seems like they have had a long history of multiple mainstream diets and even have standard symbols: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:FSSAI_new_labels_for_veg_and_non-veg.png https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:FSSAI_new_labels_for_veg_...
- ppipada 4y agoIn India, we have this standardised from quite some time. As an Indian vegetarian, I can imagine that naming vegetarian things with non-vegetarian terms would actually be detrimental to the products sales. We already have a name "chaap" for similar things.
- paulette449 4y agoSadly this is just another layer of protections to the industrial meat complex. It won't be long before we have to use some Johnny Dangerously-style [1] codes to order a veggie burger, the farging bastidges. [1] - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6GVCgTFw2Qk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6GVCgTFw2Qk
- yessirwhatever 4y ago> Sadly this is just another layer of protections to the industrial meat complex. How so? I think it's a very good idea to not allow product marketing to (ab)use terms to confuse people. If people want to eat meat that's their business. This is like that old trend of putting a "milk" label on almond drink/juice. It's just a straight up incorrect.
- tommit 4y agoWait until this guy finds out about coconut milk.
- aldebran 4y agoOr peanut butter.
- waffleiron 4y ago>This is like that old trend of putting a "milk" label on almond drink/juice. Centuries old actually. https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/nut-milks-are-milk-says-almost-every-culture-across-globe-180970008/ https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/nut-milks-are-milk-sa...
- yessirwhatever 4y agoI only hope they also extend this ban to that synthetic meat stuff.
- frozencell 4y agoOne problem is when one family member starts eating those, the rest is subject or influenced by it.
- morsch 4y agoFamily is about making compromises, food is one of them.
- frozencell 4y agoIs this the strategy of the great reset to stop meat food?
- morsch 4y agoHuh?
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- ratsmack 4y agoI find it funny that vegans would even want to associate with food names of products that they abhor. Many vegans say that have never eaten meat, so why would they want 'steak' or 'sausage' fake meat?
- wumpus 4y agoIt's sort of 50/50 within the community, actually. I don't want to eat fake meat. But folks who are avoiding meat on Fridays and during Lent are different from me.
- autarch 4y agoI've been vegan for c. 27 years and I like these products. I grew up eating meat and dairy, and I still like the flavor and mouth feel, but I hate the cruelty.
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- stkdump 4y agoI find it fascinating how triggered people get, when they hear people making a personal choice out of conviction. Almost as if they are being attacked on their own choices, which they are not.
- morsch 4y agoYou hate the cruelty of farming animals for food, but you support the cruelty of farming vegetables for food Probably because they think one is worse than the other. I think flipping somebody off and hitting them in the face is both not very nice, but I think one of them is much more impolite. Moral judgements come in degrees. Is this novel information for you? That said, maybe they're also trying to minimise the impact of the plant based foods they eat? I'm sure you don't, why go halfsies and all, so that thought probably never crossed your mind. You believe that eating animals is morally wrong, but you want to pretend that you're eating animals, at the expense of non-animals? No, they like the taste. They're not pretending to eat meat. People who drink diet coke don't pretend to drink non-diet coke. They're drinking another coke flavored beverage.
- boilerupnc 4y agoEat Mor Chikin says Chick-Fil-A
- zzo38computer 4y agoI think that the labels should be clear what it is. (This can sometimes be done without avoiding certain words, but using such words alone may be inappropriate. However, using different words that more accurately describe such things (if you have better words) is probably going to be better.)
- Nursie 4y agoI'm personally good with "Chicken Style Vegetarian/Vegan Nuggets", "Chicken Style Schnitzels", "Vegetarian Steak", Plant-based burgers, made-with-plants "bacon" and all that. I'm really very surprised at the number of people who seem offended by it. The products are made as substitutes for those specific things, some of them are very good, others not so much. Bacon, for instance, already does not have to come from a pig. Turkey and beef bacon already exist. Plant-based bacon is just as valid, it's a product which fills that same niche for people who don't want an animal product. "Sausages" are already a very wide and lax term. Vegetarian and vegan sausages have been available in lots of countries for literally decades. The only reason people are talking about this now is that the products are getting better and more popular, and the meat industry feels under threat. It's a naked land grab from them. Yes, the difference between these products and meat should be easy to discern, writ large on the packaging. But in most cases it already is - the brands want vegetarians to find them!
- tommit 4y agoI've written this somewhere else, but I entirely agree. I think many people are starting to notice that this vegan lifestyle they made fun of for the past years isn't going away, or even just restricted to your friendly neighborhood hippie. It's getting far more popular, and people are scared that they may have to face the fact that their breakfast sausage is in danger.
- squishy47 4y agoA lot of the other threads seems to talk about being tricked into buying a vegan product rather than the animal one. To me this seems like regulation is needed in deceptive packaging, not the product naming. Maybe products should have a logo for "contains animal product" as well as the veg/vegan ones? and make it waaaaay bigger, i shouldn't need vision pro max ultra to see those bloody logos!!
- stjohnswarts 4y agoI think a universal vegan/vegetarian label would be great.
- remuskaos 4y agoI've seen a green V symbol on many vegetarian products, so I've assmuned there already is?
- tester89 4y agoIf you’re referring to the V-label commonly seen in Europe, the problem with that is that it’s run by a non-government organisation (European Vegetarian Union) and they have decided that foods containing GMOs are unsuitable for whatever reason. https://www.v-label.eu/fr/faq https://www.v-label.eu/fr/faq
- HermanMartinus 4y agoThe purpose of the names of these products being "steak", "sausage", etc isn't to trick meat eaters into eating something they don't want to. It's to illustrate what they are. Let's take a vegan burger patty for example. What's a better illustration of what is in the packet? "Vegan burger patty" or "Flat concoction of soy and other ingredients". It illustrates use.
- tommit 4y agoThe people arguing in this thread about how they "were tricked into buying something vegan, yuck!" are not arguing in good faith IMO. They are so adamant in their diet and (I'm guessing) feel threatened by the change in recent years. Being vegan isn't really an outlier that everyone makes fun of anymore. I used to do the same a few years back, until the gradual realization came that this is the direction we're clearly heading towards. Now, I personally can't wait until meat is priced at a level that most people simply can't afford their current diet anymore. At least they will have their precious words like sausage and steak to hold onto. Honestly, to the people suggesting to bring out animal-based products and call them something to explicitly trick vegans into eating them: who hurt you? It can't be the one time you bought a product you didn't know before without reading what it actually is, that turned out to be vegan, can it? Or did you immediately develop a B12-deficiency? For the sake of living together on this planet, please choose another topic to be a dick about.
- tluyben2 4y ago> The people arguing in this thread about how they "were tricked into buying something vegan, yuck!" are not arguing in good faith IMO. It is mostly the same few people who jump on meat threads here to push their views.
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- treis 4y agohttps://www.walmart.com/ip/Gardein-Black-Bean-Burger-Patties-Plant-Based-1-4-lb-2Ct/623011482 https://www.walmart.com/ip/Gardein-Black-Bean-Burger-Patties... Why is Black Bean smaller and the same color as the background compared to Burger? Why is vegan confined to the top right? It's obvious looking at the package what they're trying to do.
- Eddy_Viscosity2 4y agoI like that we have rules that say if you call something 'butter' it actually has to have very specific ingredients. Germany has rules for 'beer'. There are also rules for naming regional sourced foods like 'champagne'. Lots of examples. If 'steak' and 'sausage' should only mean meat products, then this is consistent and not necessarily bad. Though it may be inconvenient, but its a nice challenge to the marketing creative teams. I'm sure they'll come up with some great ideas, constraints sometimes do that.
- aniken 4y agoMisleading title.
- cykros 4y agoI understand banning the use of the word "steak". But sausage? Really? Maybe things are different in France, but last I checked sausage translated to "a bunch of stuff that may or may not be food stuff inside an intestine (or artificial casing)." Sure, usually animal product of some sort or other (hey, sometimes it's even pig or bovine!), but "meat"? I guess perhaps for the MOST generous uses of the word...
- antholeole 4y agoDoes anyone who used to be a meat eater and switched to the plant based meat alternatives like impossible burger actually believe that they are similar? I’m attempting to go vegetarian. Prior to my switch, I used to consume large amounts of meat (partially because I enjoy the taste, and partially because I lift weights often and the protein is easy) but man oh man those plant based alternatives are just nowhere near real meats. So much so that they’re not even worth it: I’d much rather opt for something like tofu or a protein shake because atleast they’re not trying to tell me that they’re meat.
- AnIdiotOnTheNet 4y agoIt was nearly a decade after I gave up meat that I first ate a Beyond or Impossible burger, but I felt they had the taste and texture of at least a cheap restaurant burger. Beyond has a more distinctive flavor than Impossible, though, which I would say doesn't really remind me of beef in any significant way.
- remuskaos 4y agoI've been a vegetarian for almost twenty years now, so my memory is a bit faded and the vegetarian and vegan products have changed a lot in that time. My experience is that it greatly depends on the type of product. I've never, ever eaten a vegetarian burger patty, steak or Schnitzel that tasted like what I remember. Many still taste good, but I think for things like steak the texture is as important as the taste, and I don't think there is anything that believably emulates the texture of steak. Things are different for sausage and thin sausage slices that you can put on bread, like salami. Especially the vegetarian salami tastes and feels exactly like I remember, and there is a large selection of vegetarian or vegan sausage replacements. Those are great, though I don't understand why they're more expensive than the actual meat products. What I really miss though is gyros. No vegan gyros has even come close, and I've tried a lot. Probably again because texture matters just as much as taste. I'll just have to live without it.
- throwawayffffas 4y agoIs it me or is the article kind of biased in favor of plant-based products? > The country adopted a measure banning plant-based products from using the same names as food from dead animals. Alternatives are "plant-based" while meat is "dead animals"? It's true but a strange choice of words why isn't plant-based "dead vegetables"? > This has in turn attracted major investment from global agrifood groups hoping to capitalize on a trend towards healthy eating. Healthy eating? Says who exactly? It's not even an argument in the linked article, the article just says there was a was a move from meat to plant based alternatives nothing about relative "healthiness".
- mike00632 4y agoDairy has trans fat and a lot of saturated fat. Not to mention added hormones and animal protein.
- ChildOfChaos 4y agoSuch a stupid move. Everyone knows what a vegetarian sausage is, no meat eater is accidentally buying it thinking it is something it's not and it helps people identify what the thing is. What else are you going to call it? It's the obvious name because that is what it is, the words should evolve to describe the type of thing it is, not that it needs to include meat in it. Sausage is used to describe the shape, hence sausage dogs. At most all the law needs to be is to make sure instead of just 'sausage' is used that it has to be 'vegan sausage' or 'vegetarian sausage' if it doesn't have meat, if you must put a law around this.
- cheese_goddess 4y ago> Angel investors, venture capitalists, as well as increased investments from agrifood giants such as Cargill, Danone and Nestle, have helped boost growth to 19% per year. Cargill, Danone and Nestle. Those companies, they are exemplars of environmentally responsible, ethical production of high-quality nutritious food that respects animal rights and human health: > Cargill: the company feeding the world by helping destroy the planet https://unearthed.greenpeace.org/2020/11/25/cargill-deforestation-agriculture-history-pollution/ https://unearthed.greenpeace.org/2020/11/25/cargill-deforest... > Cost of environmental damage linked to Nestlé, Danone and Mondelez rises sharply > "A lot of major global corporations have effectively outsourced their environmental impact to their supply chains," said Dexter Galvin, global director of corporations and supply chains at CDP, a nonprofit group that collects environmental data from companies. "It's a blind spot, which means that most of their carbon emissions, water use and impact on deforestation escape public scrutiny." https://www.spglobal.com/marketintelligence/en/news-insights/latest-news-headlines/cost-of-environmental-damage-linked-to-nestl-233-danone-and-mondelez-rises-sharply-56387844 https://www.spglobal.com/marketintelligence/en/news-insights... > Animal rights campaigners are now urging the public to boycott Danone, Nestle and Yakult to stop the animal suffering. https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/600145/Nestle-Yakult-and-Danone-behind-cruel-animal-testing https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/600145/Nestle-Yakult-and-D... > Multiple reports have documented the widespread use of child labour in cocoa production, as well as slavery and child trafficking, throughout West African plantations, on which Nestlé and other major chocolate companies rely.[159][160][161][162][163] According to the 2010 documentary, The Dark Side of Chocolate, the children working are typically 12 to 15 years old.[164] The Fair Labor Association has criticised Nestlé for not carrying out proper checks.[165] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nestl%C3%A9#Slavery_and_child_labour https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nestl%C3%A9#Slavery_and_child_... In September 2017, an investigation[215] conducted by NGO Mighty Earth found that a large amount of the cocoa used in chocolate produced by Nestlé and other major chocolate companies was grown illegally in national parks and other protected areas in Ivory Coast and Ghana.[216][217][218] The countries are the world's two largest cocoa producers.[219][220] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nestl%C3%A9#Deforestation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nestl%C3%A9#Deforestation I mean, who else would be investing in fake sausages?
- 988747 4y agoIt's actually quite frustrating, this invasion of plant based "sausages". I was shopping for groceries online today and half of the products in the "sausages" category were plant based, making it harder to shop for the real thing without carefully reading the description. The least they could do is make those fakes a separate category.
- charlieyu1 4y agoBad idea, Asians have done veggie meat for centuries for Buddhists who want to maintain a vegetarian diet.