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Yea but you only need all that junk because you use Java. The rest of us just don't have that many files to refactor when we change things. I don't really hat
by dhzhzjsbevs 4y ago
Yea but you only need all that junk because you use Java.
The rest of us just don't have that many files to refactor when we change things.
I don't really hate ide's, I get the appeal, and sometimes it works out useful. It's just that most of the time it comes back to enterprisey software being the source of your problems, not the lack of features in your editor.
- emsy 4y agoNot everyone works on small codebases. Encouraging refactoring is a good thing.
- pjmlp 4y agoGood IDEs precede Java, e.g. Borland products for Turbo Pascal and C++, Common Lisp and Smalltalk environments. The anti-IDE crowd seems to like to pick on Java.
- deleted 4y ago[deleted]
- Supermancho 4y ago> The anti-IDE crowd seems to like to pick on Java. It's largely because Java is verbose. Because of that, the java ecosystem continues to produce frameworks and libraries that make it easier for programmers to convolute their code behind functionally opaque interfaces, eg Spring, Lombok, etc. which also happen to provide "solutions" to reducing repetitive or traditionally verbose code. We have computers to automate processes, primarily. Not using computers to do rote inspection (like argument intellisense or class method discovery), is backward and it helps a great deal until you start using pre-processor annotations which are a series of programs that run before your program is run. 1 step forward, 1 step back. Ofc there are still people who use handmade nails and leaves for toilet paper and they insist it's better than Java. I'm not sure they are wrong.
- pjmlp 4y agoSomehow it is still much better than most hispter frameworks with their interpreted languages and monkey patching galore, or this Google worshipped language thanks its author's pedigree.
- invalidname 4y agoI write most of my code in Java but I have a lot of C, Objective-C, JavaScript and many other languages. In fact I found IDE's to be even more useful for JS since it's such a mess. It's much easier to shoot yourself in the foot in other IDEs. I started with Java 27 years ago and back then text editors were the only option for years. So I can use them just fine for Java.
- EdwardDiego 4y agoIt doesn't matter how many files you have, it's how many functions or types or methods etc. ...and where they're used and how they're used.
- eklavya 4y agoCalling IntelliJ and Java junk is probably an indication that you are inhibiting your professional growth.
- dhzhzjsbevs 4y agoI was calling ide features in general junk but sure, project away.
- eklavya 4y agoApologies if I misunderstood. It seemed like the ide features and why they were required only for Java was pointing at something. Probably not.
- the_gipsy 4y agoAh yes Java and IntelliJ are clearly enterprise professional, the rest is amateur hippy toys.
- eklavya 4y agoNo, Java good doesn’t mean everything else is bad. Why would I ever limit myself in such silly ways :)