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Don't worry, CA can't do it forever as that water is coming out of a giant underground sea that is collapsing, it will never fill up again. https://energyskept

Don't worry, CA can't do it forever as that water is coming out of a giant underground sea that is collapsing, it will never fill up again. https://energyskeptic.com/2021/aquifer-decline-in-california/ https://energyskeptic.com/2021/aquifer-decline-in-california... https://www.usgs.gov/mission-areas/water-resources/science/central-valley-aquifer https://www.usgs.gov/mission-areas/water-resources/science/c... https://revealnews.org/article/9-sobering-facts-about-californias-groundwater-problem/ https://revealnews.org/article/9-sobering-facts-about-califo...

stainforth 4y ago
The profits that went to a few human owners of that agribusiness should be clawed back
- madboston 4y ago
  But everyone will die with happy thoughts of making those few rich.
- pessimizer 4y ago
  That won't put the water back. Revenge is just the final form of prioritizing the comfort (or discomfort) of a handful of bad actors over the well-being of the other 99.9999% of the world. There's no answer except functioning government and the general eradication of solipsistic liberal/libertarian fantasies, and that's never going to happen.
  - rexpop 4y ago
    > That won't put the water back. No, but it will partially compensate for impacted communities' subsequent economic precarity.
  - sumy23 4y ago
    > That won't put the water back. Revenge is just the final form of prioritizing the comfort (or discomfort) of a handful of bad actors over the well-being of the other 99.9999% of the world. Punishing the perpetrators won’t put the water back in the same way punishing a murderer won’t bring the victim back. We don’t punish to make right. We punish to deter.
    - robocat 4y ago
      And in 20 years time, it will be your turn to be retroactively punished for currently belonging to a society that is burning the world?
      - HWR_14 4y ago
        1) It's not group membership, it's targetted 2) I try to live in such a way that I'm not a wasteful glutton who misuses communal resources.
        chii 4y ago
        it might be that you get punished despite trying to live properly as you claim in 2). Punishment doesn't work in this context, since it's not a repeated game. Murder is punished because everyone has the chance to do murder - it's a "repeated" game. Destroying the environment isn't.
        HWR_14 4y ago
        Destroying various environmental resources is completely a repeated game (for example, look at superfund sites). If in the future it's decided that I made my money unethically and it needs to be redistributed, I guess I'm fine with that so long as the same standard is applied to everyone's money. I think it'll be close to a great reset, but whatever. I'm not thrilled by the idea, but it might have to happen.
        Schroedingersat 4y ago
        Exploiting and destroying the commons is a repeated game. Moreover the spoils of doing it once make it easier to do so again. What possible reason is there not to take those spoils and return them to the commons from whence they were stolen?
      - TomSwirly 4y ago
        If the people who are destroying our biosphere thought they would face appropriate consequences, they would behave very differently.

stainforth 4y ago

The profits that went to a few human owners of that agribusiness should be clawed back

madboston 4y ago
But everyone will die with happy thoughts of making those few rich.
pessimizer 4y ago
That won't put the water back. Revenge is just the final form of prioritizing the comfort (or discomfort) of a handful of bad actors over the well-being of the other 99.9999% of the world. There's no answer except functioning government and the general eradication of solipsistic liberal/libertarian fantasies, and that's never going to happen.
- rexpop 4y ago
  > That won't put the water back. No, but it will partially compensate for impacted communities' subsequent economic precarity.
- sumy23 4y ago
  > That won't put the water back. Revenge is just the final form of prioritizing the comfort (or discomfort) of a handful of bad actors over the well-being of the other 99.9999% of the world. Punishing the perpetrators won’t put the water back in the same way punishing a murderer won’t bring the victim back. We don’t punish to make right. We punish to deter.
  - robocat 4y ago
    And in 20 years time, it will be your turn to be retroactively punished for currently belonging to a society that is burning the world?
    - HWR_14 4y ago
      1) It's not group membership, it's targetted 2) I try to live in such a way that I'm not a wasteful glutton who misuses communal resources.
      - chii 4y ago
        it might be that you get punished despite trying to live properly as you claim in 2). Punishment doesn't work in this context, since it's not a repeated game. Murder is punished because everyone has the chance to do murder - it's a "repeated" game. Destroying the environment isn't.
        HWR_14 4y ago
        Destroying various environmental resources is completely a repeated game (for example, look at superfund sites). If in the future it's decided that I made my money unethically and it needs to be redistributed, I guess I'm fine with that so long as the same standard is applied to everyone's money. I think it'll be close to a great reset, but whatever. I'm not thrilled by the idea, but it might have to happen.
        Schroedingersat 4y ago
        Exploiting and destroying the commons is a repeated game. Moreover the spoils of doing it once make it easier to do so again. What possible reason is there not to take those spoils and return them to the commons from whence they were stolen?
    - TomSwirly 4y ago
      If the people who are destroying our biosphere thought they would face appropriate consequences, they would behave very differently.