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This is the same argument with all consuming vs producing. It's why there was a moral panic in the 1800s over Jane Austen style fiction, in the 1930s over radi
by blowski 4y ago
This is the same argument with all consuming vs producing.
It's why there was a moral panic in the 1800s over Jane Austen style fiction, in the 1930s over radio, and so on.
Being addicted to cannabis is not really any different to playing computer games 12 hours a day, doing endless marathons, watching sports, investing, or many similar activities.
- RajT88 4y agoAs a (mostly former) distance runner. Running endless marathons is most certainly not harmless. You will face eventually injuries which affect you for the rest of your life.
- ChristianGeek 4y agoI’m a distance runner too; I try to distance myself from running.
- nradov 4y agoThere's distance and then there's distance. You can be a serious endurance athlete but focus on shorter races, with judicious use of low-impact cross training to reduce the risk of injuries while still building an aerobic base.
- RajT88 4y agoI only have done a few marathon or longer races. When I was running regularly I would do 25-30 miles a week. It is doing that for decades which messes you up eventually.
- nradov 4y agoIt really depends on running form and individual physiology. Some runners are more resilient than others, and using good technique makes a major difference in injury risk. But my point is that you can run reasonably fast in races with fairly low running mileage. Do most of the base and tempo workouts cross training on an elliptical machine or something, and save the running for interval workouts.
- RajT88 4y ago> It really depends on running form and individual physiology True enough. I too have read "Born to Run", and would suggest that most modern humans aren't adapted to it (certain populations certainly, but most not). Although I have hit reasonably good times, I don't count myself among that population. In high school and in my 30's, I certainly was in the 90th percentile of runners, just by the numbers. Individual races, definitely higher. I love to look at the form and economy of top tier runners, and frankly, I'm not built like that; I could never perform like that. I'm bound to break down eventually, and I'm pretty good at running. > on an elliptical machine or something This is not running. This is training for running by not-running. Dress it up how you like, but it's how people like me save the damaging work for races.
- lostmsu 4y agoI'd say marathons and computer games (except the clickers) should not be on this list due to the difference between active vs passive participation.
- oneoff786 4y agoClickers are better than people give credit. Thinking about growth curves is an uncommon challenge. Pretty much nothing else commonly involves things expanding faster than exponentially. You don’t actually just click mindlessly. You typically need an understanding of the system otherwise you’re just waiting for infeasible amounts of time.
- dTal 4y agoAs far as I'm concerned, the clicker genre reached its zenith, its purest expression, in Universal Paperclips. In no other game has the "automate exponential growth" mechanic been used to tell a story more poignantly, or make philosophical points so eloquently. Other clicker games use flashy graphics and sound effects to disguise their essential emptiness; not Universal Paperclips. Its austere plaintext webpage offers only hints and fragments of the world the numbers are meant to represent, its minimalism a baleful commentary on the subject matter itself. I played it twice, and do not regret it.
- marginalia_nu 4y agoSome of those moral panics did lead to action though. Hard drugs, alcohol, gambling, duels; a lot of this stuff is if not banned then at least restricted and regulated.
- edmundsauto 4y agoThat’s not a clear win, as in some cases the cure proved worse than the disease. And was co-opted for goals around discrimination.
- yeahNo88 4y agoYeah the cure industrialists limiting personal freedom by lobbying government for the greater good. Are we not tired of that story? So what if humanity does not go to Mars? Is dad going to be unhappy about our efforts when everyone is dead? Our culture is a joke of wishful thinking and emotional abuse to achieve someone else’s goals disguised as essential application of agency. How terrible if humans lived a completely different agency than kowtowing to yesteryears industrial necessity to rebuild the world after humanity destroyed it. Grigori Perelman has achieved more of note than any of us; I know about his accomplishments and none of yours. He did it all with paper and pencil. IMO our low effort consumerism and industrialist slog is destroying our imaginations and keeping us from better ideas.
- disqard 4y agoI'm 90% sure that "endless marathons" referred to "watching entire seasons of shows on NetFlix", not "running 26.2 miles over and over".
- LeSaucy 4y agoCannabis and jogging make a lovely combination.
- Werewolf255 4y agoThat runner's high is something else after the 104th mile!
- ghostbrainalpha 4y agoAlthough if you are a good runner, I've heard moderate cannabis usage can help bring on the runners high much quicker making running more fun.
- beowulfey 4y agoNo, but currently cannabis use is the one exploding in popularity compared to those others
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- walleeee 4y agophones are on a different level than fiction or radio or arguably even cannabis imo you can do something else while you listen to the radio or smoke pot (e.g., clean your house, hang out with friends or family, with weed you can even read or program) phones and books both consume your attention, but a book at least demands a bit of effort to follow and might introduce you to new ideas or vocabulary, even if you're reading pulp fiction on the other hand you can scroll twitter or insta or watch tiktok absolutely mindlessly, and doing so will tend to become a habit all while it chips away at your attention span and your willpower weed can make boredom feel ok too, and can certainly affect attention, willpower and memory, but if used in moderation it can also magnify your curiosity and sense of wonder, help you introspect, etc cannabis is a powerful entheogen and it deserves far more respect and restraint than it currently receives smartphones give us enormous powers but they can also exert massive power over our minds and actions, they too should be treated with caution and used with far more restraint cannabis might make you lazy or suggestible, and it can even be dangerous for some people or if used irresponsibly, but it won't spoon feed you mind-melting pablum or ads or propaganda or spy on you
- autoexec 4y agoIf we're going to credit books with potentially expanding your vocabulary, we should at least acknowledge that while you can mindlessly scroll through insta and tiktok you can also be consuming thoughtful and educational content. Even tiktok which doesn't exactly lend itself to useful content has some great stuff. Books, TV, the internet, cell phones all have the potential to benefit you. They often don't, but it's not the medium that's the problem, it's our own choices - except the spying on you bit. That's 100% a problem with TV, the internet, cell phones and now even books.
- walleeee 4y agoI definitely agree there are upsides. I had a Twitter for a while and found a ton of interesting articles, informative accounts, etc. I've learned a ton from YouTube. Sure, some TikTok videos can be helpful. But the idea that the media forms and platforms play no causal role and it's all on us and our choices is nearly indefensible imo
- andi999 4y agoMaybe they all were right.
- akhmatova 4y agoBeing addicted to cannabis is not really any different [from non-chemical habits] On a psychological level, perhaps. But it is pretty obviously not so when it comes to physical risk (if one smokes in whichever form).
- tsol 4y agoDrugs are functionally different, I'd argue. You can quit games any time without pain, given enough mental resolve or motivation. No matter how good a reason it is you still have to deal with physical withdrawal when it comes to drugs
- elevaet 4y agoI thought it was pretty well known by now that there isn't really any physical withdrawl with cannabis; it's basically just mental.
- hmmdar 4y agoI found this a good review of the physical and chemical impact quitting marijuana. https://youtu.be/7u_cm5b1s7Y https://youtu.be/7u_cm5b1s7Y I'd argue that the chemical withdrawal effects of marijuana, are nothing compared to habitual smoking, alcohol or other "hard" drug use. But there are still some chemical withdrawal effects. Personally I've had Minor irritability after not having an edible for a few days if I've been consistently having them nearly daily for few days. But I've also realized this, and moderate use more to only once or twice a week, and only 5-10mg at a time. I've grown to like the feel of 5mg in the evening overall. Accounting for the blah feeling the next morning/day.
- shrimp_emoji 4y ago>computer games 12 hours a day I've heard professors say something to the effect of "students a decade or two ago used to be more productive". I don't have trouble believing that; so would I (I think) without the potency of modern entertainment. It's harder to do stuff while eating such good electric lotuses. :p