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no it's not. they straight up serve kremlin, promoting kremlin fake news and silencing russian opposition (not much to silence but still). they can have whateve
by bgandrew 4y ago
no it's not. they straight up serve kremlin, promoting kremlin fake news and silencing russian opposition (not much to silence but still). they can have whatever functionality they like, I still won't use it in billion years.
- ok123456 4y ago
- cmsj 4y agoYeah we definitely shouldn't worry about the political sympathies/vulnerabilities of the web services we use as the foundations of our shared knowledge...
- lizardactivist 4y agoHow do you feel about western-owned web services?
- lotusmars 4y agoPeople in Russia felt much safer using iCloud, Gmail or Google Drive. Of course they comply to some requests by Kremlin or police. But Yandex or VK just give information straight away often times without much procedure.
- honkler 4y agothe same way I feel much comfortable using Yandex in united states. Google and Facebook feed their data to NSA.
- riku_iki 4y agoAny proof of that?
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- ChuckNorris89 4y agoSnowden's leaks are not enough for you?
- riku_iki 4y agoWhat proof Snowden provided about Google and FB feeding data to NSA exactly?
- waffleiron 4y agohttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PRISM#The_slides https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PRISM#The_slides
- riku_iki 4y agoThere is no clarity on these slides if collection happened proactively or it was a way to transfer information for FISA warrants.
- waffleiron 4y agoYou asked for proof of the following: > Google and Facebook feed their data to NSA. We know that at least some companies were ordered to handover all data, continuously [1]. edit: I think we have enough evidence that I would assume that it's valid for the other companies on the slides, and if it's not true you'll have to provide some proof of that. edit 2: [2] > It searches that database and lets them listen to the calls or read the emails of everything that the NSA has stored, or look at the browsing histories or Google search terms that you've entered, and it also alerts them to any further activity that people connected to that email address or that IP address do in the future." > Greenwald explained that while there are "legal constraints" on surveillance that require approval by the FISA court, these programs still allow analysts to search through data with little court approval or supervision. > "There are legal constraints for how you can spy on Americans," Greenwald said. "You can't target them without going to the FISA court. But these systems allow analysts to listen to whatever emails they want, whatever telephone calls, browsing histories, Microsoft Word documents." > "And it's all done with no need to go to a court, with no need to even get supervisor approval on the part of the analyst," he added. edit 3: > Equally unusual is the way the NSA extracts what it wants, according to the document: “Collection directly from the servers of these U.S. Service Providers: Microsoft, Yahoo, Google, Facebook, PalTalk, AOL, Skype, YouTube, Apple.” [3] [1] https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/jun/06/nsa-phone-records-verizon-court-order https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/jun/06/nsa-phone-reco... [2] https://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2013/07/glenn-greenwald-low-level-nsa-analysts-have-powerful-and-invasive-search-tool/ https://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2013/07/glenn-greenwal... [3] https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/us-intelligence-mining-data-from-nine-us-internet-companies-in-broad-secret-program/2013/06/06/3a0c0da8-cebf-11e2-8845-d970ccb04497_story.html https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/us-intelligenc...
- ok123456 4y agoDo you have the same level of concern about the leverage Five-Eyes intelligence agencies have over Facebook and Google?
- lotusmars 4y agoThere's a world of difference between Five-Eyes and being harrassed, mobbed, jailed, having a "Z" and "traitor" spray painted on your apartment door or being murdered. By conflating those two clearly means you don't understand what's going on Russia and its Putin-controlled satellites like Belarus.
- lillecarl 4y agoThere's a world of difference between living in Russia and using Yandex to search for how to kill Putin and living in the west and using Yandex to search for how to spin up a FastAPI server. By conflating those two clearly means you don't understand that everyone isn't in the same situation as yourself.
- colordrops 4y agoJulian Assange anyone? Gary Webb? Michael Hastings? And you've got Abby Martin and Chris Hedges who've had much of their content removed by YouTube. Chris Hedges is even a Pulitzer prize winner.
- marshray 4y agoYou've named three people, and some YouTube videos. On the other side, the FSB has deported 1.3 million innocent Ukrainian civilians to concentration camps. (number is from official Russian sources)
- colordrops 4y agoI thought we were talking about journalist.
- simonh 4y agoIt's not that Russia Bad, it's that if you know a search engine will serve you censored, biased results that makes it an unreliable search engine.
- Thiez 4y agoAnd someone upthread claimed their image search was so great in comparison to google... because google also censors their results. They just censor different things.
- lotusmars 4y ago
- ushakov 4y agoYandex users already assume it is censored and biased they continue to use it however, because it gives them the expected results most of the time
- eloff 4y agoOnly if you're searching for censored things.
- daniel-cussen 4y agoCompared to whom!? Who will serve you uncensored, unbiased results!? Like run your own crawler, dude grep, go to the library, come on!
- lillecarl 4y agoPeople using duckduckgo bangs often use different search engines for different topics. I usually try ddg first, if it's tech I use Bing, if it's local I use Google.
- timeon 4y ago> yes russia bad that is the point
- squarefoot 4y agoEvery country is or has been bad in some context in different times, because doing the interests of your country often translates into doing harm to some others. Yandex is a really nice search engine and I agree it's excellent for image searches compared to Google results polluted with Pinterest links and other cancerous SEO rubbish. But does Yandex echo propaganda for the Kremlin? Yes of course, as do Google and most of the others for their advertisers and governments, albeit to some different degrees. The usual approach when someone or some company with a controversial public image does something good with apparently no strings attached should be "Timeo Danaos et dona ferentes", that is, take the gift but don't trust them, mo matter if they're called Google, Microsoft, Yandex or whatever. Their purpose is of course to associate the Yandex brand, and therefore Russia, to something perceived as good, have more people use it, so that more users will be exposed to their filtered news. Just be aware of that, take the good and ignore the rest.
- CRConrad 4y ago> Every country is or has been bad in some context in different times When has Russia ever been anything but bad?
- ushakov 4y agocan you name any Russian company that doesn't? obeying to Kremlin is just an aspect of running business in Russia the only option would be not to operate in Russia at all. Yandex can't do this, because their audience is primarily in Russia
- lotusmars 4y agoWell they've made their choice and silenced our protest and opposition, and later spewed pro-war anti-Ukrainian propaganda using country's largest media (Yandex News). If you're profiteering from our suffering and choose Kremlin's needs over ours, don't be suprised then when we tell you to shove your AI models and your search.
- ushakov 4y agothey're selling Yandex News to VK (Mail.ru)
- lotusmars 4y agoIt's still working as usual and they announced the transition after 8 years of warmongering and blacklisting all opposition resources. And only when sanctions hit. Now they scramble to present a whitewashed image to Western public. They will probably put themselves forward as great contributors to open source.
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- joshsyn 4y agoWho's we? I am not in this together. So change it to "I". I don't care about you lot... lmao
- CRConrad 4y ago> Who's we? From context, pretty obviously "we Ukrainians". Didn't do too well in elementary reading, did you? > I am not in this together. So change it to "I". I don't care about you lot... lmao Thank you for so effectively demonstrating what a despicable excuse for a human being you are. I'll do my best to remember this when next I come across anything from you.
- afroboy 4y agoLiterally what google doing in favor of USA.
- relaunched 4y agoHuge difference. Google does it for money. Yandex does it to enable an autocracy and to maintain their ability to operate.
- nosianu 4y agoI doubt that anything like this happend to Google execs in the US: "Putin's agents reportedly threatened a top Google executive in Moscow with a 24-hour ultimatum – Take down Russia protest vote app or go to prison" -- https://www.businessinsider.com/russia-agents-threatened-google-exec-to-remove-voting-app-moscow-2022-3 https://www.businessinsider.com/russia-agents-threatened-goo... Not yet at least, the political climate may deteriorate to that point, especially when it's about elections, given recent revelations. Still, at least right now it looks to me - and I have visited Russia and Ukraine several times in the past and still have indirect connections (to people heavily involved in business there) - that there still is considerable more freedom from the government and its wishes for people and companies in the West. If you publicly criticize a US politician you may get some hate messages, but at least they are from private citizens and you don't have FBI agents knocking on your door threatening you with prison. In Germany some rogue police were found to send threatening messages, but as soon as it was discovered the government acted against it. Also in Germany there even were public rallies from pro-Russian folks, now try that in Moscow with pro-Ukraine banners... Russia even bans the colors yellow and blue, even when they have nothing whatsoever to do with Ukraine and are just decorative: "Russians Strip Yellow and Blue From the Nation’s Streets Over Ukraine War" -- https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2022/04/27/in-photos-russians-strip-yellow-and-blue-from-the-nations-streets-over-ukraine-war-a77494 https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2022/04/27/in-photos-russians...
- lillecarl 4y agoYou know that some people use search engines for other things than news right?
- aeyes 4y agoThey sold the news platform, it looks like a step towards having their company less associated with Kremlin content moderation: https://www.reuters.com/technology/yandex-sells-news-content-recommendation-services-russias-vk-2022-04-28/ https://www.reuters.com/technology/yandex-sells-news-content... They do business in other countries and for that it is best for the business to appear as neutral as possible. We don't know how much they fiddle with the search results and ranking but this still looks quite neutral to me: https://yandex.com/search/?text=russo+ukrainian+war https://yandex.com/search/?text=russo+ukrainian+war
- joshsyn 4y agoWhat a hyperbolic emotional liar incapable of reasoning...