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Diablo Immortal Rift Simulator
- kelsolaar 4y agoIs this based on the actual drop rates of the gems?
- minimaxir 4y agoLooking at the code, the probabilities indeed match what is disclosed in-game: https://dimi777.github.io/diablo-rift-simulator/index.js https://dimi777.github.io/diablo-rift-simulator/index.js Technically it doesn't account for the 50 gem pity, which doesn't change that much EV-wise for getting a 5/5 gem. To answer the adjacent replies, they are indeed disclosed in game, just not in an obvious place. (press the [i] button at the Crest Vendor) Screenshot proof: https://imgur.com/a/0NoSUut https://imgur.com/a/0NoSUut
- bongobingo1 4y agoIt's possible the rate disclosure is region locked which is why some people don't see/know it. Some games do that. Also great how you have a 4.5% chance of dropping a legendary, only to roll the dice again on getting a "good quality" one. Blech.
- minimaxir 4y agoGranted the typical rates for 5*s in gachas are 1%-3%...but those typically have a much higher supply of free pulls.
- LeeroyWasHere 4y agoThey're definitely region locked and for all we know, they might have different drop rates in different regions since they don't have to disclose them... Wouldn't put it past them. There's several streamers that are running rifts till they get 5/5 gems, they're in the thousands of dollars spent.
- cmeacham98 4y agoDiablo Immortal doesn't publish drop rates, and uses a legal loophole to avoid laws that would normally require publishing such rates for lootbox-like mechanics. A community-created estimate from data supplied by players puts the 5/5 gem odds at 1/2000. Edit: above poster has rates in their copy of the game that seem to line up with the community-calculated ones. They definitely didn't use to be there where I live in the US, so those are either a recent addition or region-locked.
- omeze 4y agowhats the loophole?
- minimaxir 4y agoThe supposed loophole is that you have to complete an Elder Rift to "roll" the crests as done in the submission, versus opening a literal box. It hasn't made a difference legally, and they are probably losing potential impulse sales due to friction.
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- wbobeirne 4y agoPoked my head in at the code const gem_types = [1, 2, 5]; const gem_probabilities = [0.754, 0.201, 0.045]; const five_star_gem_types = [2, 3, 4, 5] const five_star_probabilities = [0.75, 0.2, 0.04, 0.01]; Kind of odd they excluded three and four, and everything I could find searching online says that it should be `0.05` for a five star, so it doesn't look exactly right to me. EDIT: After more searching, it looks like these are community guesses at numbers, Blizzard has not published official drop rates.
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- tadfisher 4y agoThe drop rates are published in-game.
- dimi777 4y agoHi, I’m the guy behind this code. First we roll the type of the gem: 1-star, 2-star or a ?/5-star and then if the rolled gem is ?/5-star, we determine the amount of stars that it will have using the probability array at the bottom of the code snippet, that you attached.
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- sharkweek 4y agoI remember an old Blizzard ad for StarCraft II that made fun of pay to win [1] but alas… here we are. I can’t believe how good the Diablo 4 release vids looked last week but they’ve been incredibly tainted in my mind by all the shitty stories I’ve been reading about Immortal. Bums me out as Blizzard IP always has a special place in my heart. [1] https://youtu.be/0hKHdzTMAcI https://youtu.be/0hKHdzTMAcI
- OberstKrueger 4y agoOn the flip side, they're doing away with loot boxes in Overwatch 2 and replacing it with a battlepass and straight-forward shop[1]. Plenty of opportunity to screw that up, of course, but at least it'll be easier to see than having to dive into drop rate algorithms and best guesses at such. [1] https://www.theverge.com/2022/6/16/23171133/overwatch-2-loot-boxes-free-to-play https://www.theverge.com/2022/6/16/23171133/overwatch-2-loot...
- awelxtr 4y agoI liked the formula of having a price and then loot boxes. This is because they had to make the lootboxes content available eventually, which it is what happened: I have all the skins I like and I haven't spent a dime for them. Being free + bp they can lock all cosmetings behind $$$ and push even more fomo tactings to your face
- WaxProlix 4y ago> Bums me out as Blizzard IP always has a special place in my heart. This is what they're financializing. It's a cash out, private equity style.
- BearOso 4y agoI thought the videos looked corny as hell. I'm pretty sure they're going to make Diablo 4 resemble a Saturday morning cartoon, just like Diablo 3. And from the the descriptions of the mechanics, those don't seem to have improved either. Just resign yourself that the Diablo series and the rest are gone.
- pvg 4y agoRecently immortal: 11 days ago, 129 comments https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31662430 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31662430 14 days ago, 745 comments https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31628848 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31628848
- thrdbndndn 4y agoCan you acquire 5-star gems by other means?
- WaxProlix 4y agoIn theory? On an infinite timeline? Probably. Has it been done, and will it be done? Probably not.
- thrdbndndn 4y agoI meant by other ways other than playing elder rift. Not about the odds.
- minimaxir 4y agoYou can get Legendary Crests by other means for free...at maybe 1 or 2 a month. The Rare Crests you get more easily and have a chance to drop a Legendary Gem, but never a 5-star gem.
- AlexandrB 4y agoIt's worse than that. The free legendary crests are not the same as the paid ones and the gems you get from them are soulbound and can't be traded. Even some of the paid crests from the bundles are this lesser tier of legendary crest[1]. [1] https://reddit.com/r/DiabloImmortal/comments/v9v96i/til_there_are_actually_two_types_of_legendary/ https://reddit.com/r/DiabloImmortal/comments/v9v96i/til_ther...
- LeeroyWasHere 4y ago1 free Legendary Crest, you need 10 for a run, then you need 50 runs for a 5 star, then it needs to be the gem that's perfect for your class since you can't trade it.
- minimaxir 4y agoSince the debate on D:I's MTX has burnt out a bit, the Legendary Gem MTX scheme of Diablo Immortal is arguably not the biggest threat to the game's longevity. There are more substantial systemic issues with gameplay once you finish the story, such as the requirement for grouping in Hell 1+ dungeons (required for Set pieces) and invisible caps on drops that can be hit in just casual play. Even though new gameplay mechanics open up by the time you hit 60, by the time you've hit Paragon ~15 you've probably seen everything and gameplay starts to get more repetitive with gear upgrades under multiple layers of RNG. Note that paying real money for Legendary Gems doesn't alleviate this grind except for faster clear. And they have been unusually stingy with player rewards for milestones/daily logins compared to other F2P games, which isn't a good sign on relenting on some of these decisions. I am very curious to see how retention will be if nothing substantial changes.
- athrowaway3z 4y agoI don't know what any of that means, but they are looking for the sweet spot for releasing new stuff that's better than the old stuff.
- awelxtr 4y agoYep, to me Immortal is not Diablo. It's a mmorpg with a skin of Diablo on top of it. In every Diablo game you could tackle every challenge alone, which is important because at 37 your friends don't play as much as before. In this game the presence of raids and having to group up has made me drop it after hitting the end of the campaign
- klipklop 4y agoA shame how exploitative this game is because it plays rather well. It also has the same problem as D3 with a complete throwaway story which turns off casual players. No point chasing the Diablo 2 dragon. The series needs to move on to something more.
- endisneigh 4y agoI’m curious how these things don’t break anti gambling laws
- ggregoire 4y agoThe game is banned in the Netherlands and Belgium.
- 1123581321 4y agoMost anti-gambling laws require the digital goods to be exchangeable for money in order to qualify. In other words, DI can claim to not be gambling because all outcomes in the rift are equally worthless, financially. Some countries are starting to change their laws to factor in that these digital prizes are perceived to be valuable by players despite not turning into money.
- zumu 4y ago> In other words, DI can claim to not be gambling because all outcomes in the rift are equally worthless, financially. This is how MtG gets around the rules as well.
- Omatic810 4y agoThere's one weird trick Blizzard / Netease used to avoid (some of) these laws. A game system that gets classified as gambling usually does the following: User pays money > User gets premium currency > User presses button > User gets random reward(s) Here's DI's version: User pays money > User gets premium currency > User "uses" item before rift > User plays rift > User gets random reward(s) That extra step means that instead of simply playing a slot machine with real money, you're playing a (very very easy) game segment that gives you (exponentially better) rewards, since you used real money.
- eurasiantiger 4y agoEssentially, that distinction makes DI a game of skill, as opposed to a game of chance.
- google234123 4y agoCost me $6200 to get a 5 star gem lol USD SPENT: $6200
- donohoe 4y agoJust cost me $10,400 :)
- dang 4y agoRecent and related: Diablo Immortal won't release in the Netherlands and Belgium due to loot box law - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31662430 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31662430 - June 2022 (129 comments) It costs $110k to fully gear up in Diablo Immortal - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31628848 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31628848 - June 2022 (735 comments)
- naikrovek 4y agoDiablo immortal is a terrible experience, without question. also, the number of people in this thread who are obliviously repeating things which have been proven wrong is just as egregious. people find something that matches their opinion and they never look closer. ever. this is just further proof that people who know what they're talking about do not visit HN.
- leakbang 4y agolol it cost me 4475$ to get two 5 star gems. Also this is assuming that the system isn't rigged which most likely is.
- Vedicc 4y agoChargebacks incoming lol!