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Incidentally this "Hiring 500 roles" PR appears to be an effort to get ahead of news related to an impending "hit piece" the CEO alludes to in his twitter feed

Incidentally this "Hiring 500 roles" PR appears to be an effort to get ahead of news related to an impending "hit piece" the CEO alludes to in his twitter feed today -> https://twitter.com/jespow/status/1536978821345292288 https://twitter.com/jespow/status/1536978821345292288

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myth_drannon 4y ago
Another internal politics fight a-la Basecamp
- caust1c 4y ago
  It's really funny to me to hear founder-owners be telling people not to talk about politics at work while the employees usually have 1/10th to 1/100th of the shares in the company, if any at all. Considering most wealth in tech is tied up in equity, and that founders are overwhelmingly white men, it feels oppressive.
  - dubswithus 4y ago
    Why should the absence of equity give the employee special privileges? It seems backwards and counterproductive.
    - zen_1 4y ago
      >Why should the absence of equity give the employee special privileges? Slave morality is my best guess.
thiscatis 4y ago
Have yet to read the hit piece but some of the symptoms of a minority that just wants to be outraged for the sake of it dragging sentiment down whilst the rest just wants to work is quite telling and not the first time it gets brought up. Also he’s on point about the loudest people talking about being inclusive usually being the most oblivious.
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- themitigating 4y ago
  What minority? This isn't limited any group. When the CEO of Disney expressed his opinion about a divisive topic the governor of Florida was so outraged he and other Republicans lawmakers changed the law to punish an entire company.
  - thiscatis 4y ago
    Minority in the mathematical sense, not in the way most US based people think when they see the word minority.
    - themitigating 4y ago
      I figured that. Also one of the official definitions for the word "minority" in both UK and US dictionaries is an ethnic minority. Therefore when people in the US look at the word in context or even when it's ambiguous that's a valid meaning. UK - Oxford https://www.lexico.com/definition/minority https://www.lexico.com/definition/minority Def 1.2 A small group of people within a community or country, differing from the main population in race, religion, language, or political persuasion. US - Merriam Webster https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/minority https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/minority Def 3a/b a part of a population differing from others in some characteristics and often subjected to differential treatment
      - thiscatis 4y ago
        Thanks for these sources, English is not my first language but I get how could have been perceived insensitive.
- gorwell 4y ago
  The people who preach the loudest often do so to overshout their own past. It’s no coincidence that the loudest proponents of cancel culture and DEI have themselves a history of bigotry and bullying. Today this is the most effective way to bully or marginalize someone.
pcthrowaway 4y ago
Wow. I just lost all respect for Kraken and the CEO (it was probably my favourite of the crypto exchanges for transparency)
- marcusverus 4y ago
  Based on what, exactly? In my reading the CEO comes off as reasonable and even-handed.
  - spookthesunset 4y ago
    Say whatever you want about his positions… but it isn’t cool to throw people in your company under the bus in front of the public. That right there is enough reason to judge him.
  - thawaya3113 4y ago
    “We value diversity of thought”. “But not pronouns. Those are sacred.”
  - greenie_beans 4y ago
    i have no context about anything he's talking about, but those tweets make him look like an ass
  - uncomputation 4y ago
    Some of the thread is reasonable - e.g. the ESL Saudi and pronouns - but trying to get ahead of a critical article by saying “FUD! Don’t believe the news! Apply now!” is not the best look.
    - toolz 4y ago
      What should he be doing if he wants people to apply? Should he wait for the articles to spread the word that kraken isn't in a position to hire?
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leshow 4y ago
This thread is shocking. It sounds like some workers tried to introduce DEI and were ridiculed from the top down. Also, they may have had "20 people" who were brave enough to say something but I guarantee there were more who just didn't want to speak up.
- ramesh31 4y ago
- dubswithus 4y ago
  From the tweet: > We've got people in 70+ countries, speaking 50+ languages in the company, trying to build products for people in 190. Differing perspectives will be shared. That's DIVERSITY. It's not always easy. You've gotta be resilient, humble, open and highly tolerant of differing norms.
  - eropple 4y ago
    That tweet is nonsense. Let's talk concretely: should a queer person be expected to be tolerant of a coworker who believes that they should be beaten or killed for their sexual orientation? This question has a yes or no answer.
    - tayo42 4y ago
      No but what's the realistic action. Don't hire from certain countries? Push American values onto entire other countries from the safety of your computer? It's just not a battle that can be won so why fight it?
      - vkou 4y ago
        The realistic action is to expect everyone to behave like professionals. Your boss doesn't get to police what you think, but he can, and absolutely should police what you do at work. 'Bring your whole self to work' is nonsense. If your whole self is at odds with acceptable workplace behaviour, it should stay at home.
phillipcarter 4y ago
That thread is hilarious. He went on blast about "the N-word" being used in company communications and so now I know that what got leaked is embarrassing and a terrible look. I wouldn't normally care, but now that the CEO has gone and done this I'm gonna be on the look out for the story. As a side note, if this CEO thinks it's okay to toss around "the N-word", then why doesn't he just actually spell it out in Twitter? Or is he just a coward? ;)
- artursapek 4y ago
  I don't think that's what he is saying, lol
- convery 4y ago
  Automated TOS takedowns?
- smcl 4y ago
  Wild that (supposedly) only 20/3200 think using what is basically the ultimate racial slur in English is bad. And that he thinks this is a good thing? Just when I thought my opinion of crypto companies couldn't get any lower ...
  - nullc 4y ago
    I think you're interpreting that backwards.
    - smcl 4y ago
      Hmm, I revisited to check and Tweet #1 is: > We recently attempted to summarize what the @krakenfx culture has been over the past 11 years, and what we hope it continues to be. > We had a few heated debates and it turns out we have about 20 people out of 3200 who are totally not on board. Ok so 20/3200 are "totally not on board" - i.e. they're the group of people supposedly causing trouble that we are going to be discussing in this thread. While tweet #5 lists what this group are annoyed about: > 5/ What are they upset about? > * DEI (Silicon Valley's version) > * pronouns, whether someone can identify as a different race and be allowed to use the N-word > * whether differences in human sex exist at all > * being respected and unoffended > * being "harmed" by "violent" words So my overall read is that he's taking aim at "woke" culture, and my initial interpretation of the second item was "that non-black people are using the n-word" which tracks with the overall point. I guess it could be interpreted differently ("if you identify as black [these unhappy people] think you should be able to use the n-word") but that isn't really in line with the rest of the tweet. But my interpretation was, someone's clearly dropping n-bombs and either: 1. only a small minority are vocally upset about it, the rest are ok 2. only a small minority have no qualms with it, the rest are upset And the scare-quotes in 'being "harmed" by "violent" words' kinda look like he's ridiculing this point. Honestly it reads like a tech-bro version of the usual "these liberal snowflakes need a safe space..." rant to me.
idontpost 4y ago
That was ... more than a little unhinged.
dsco 4y ago
- optimalsolver 4y ago
  Always a sign of great leadership. Just ask Coinbase.
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renewiltord 4y ago
Makes sense. There's a lot of time for the DEI stuff at the company when it's doing well. When it's doing poorly, there's just not that much time for it. From the perspective of the discriminated-against person, it's better the ship go down if it won't provide a fair place. From the perspective of the founder, it's his ship, and he's more interested in righting it than dealing with that. And since time is zero-sum, you're going to be doing one or the other. > If I could save the Union without freeing any slave I would do it, and if I could save it by freeing all the slaves I would do it; and if I could save it by freeing some and leaving others alone, I would also do that. I've always thought that this is Lincoln describing that his top priority is the Union (though others claim its that he doesn't care about slavery - which I disagree with). Essentially, save the ship by whatever means necessary, then fix the conditions on the ship.
- usrn 4y ago
  Lincoln also expected the newly freed slaves to go somewhere else and not stay.
duxup 4y ago
I’m guessing this article https://www.nytimes.com/2022/06/15/technology/kraken-crypto-culture.html https://www.nytimes.com/2022/06/15/technology/kraken-crypto-...

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myth_drannon 4y ago

Another internal politics fight a-la Basecamp

caust1c 4y ago
It's really funny to me to hear founder-owners be telling people not to talk about politics at work while the employees usually have 1/10th to 1/100th of the shares in the company, if any at all. Considering most wealth in tech is tied up in equity, and that founders are overwhelmingly white men, it feels oppressive.
- dubswithus 4y ago
  Why should the absence of equity give the employee special privileges? It seems backwards and counterproductive.
  - zen_1 4y ago
    >Why should the absence of equity give the employee special privileges? Slave morality is my best guess.

thiscatis 4y ago

Have yet to read the hit piece but some of the symptoms of a minority that just wants to be outraged for the sake of it dragging sentiment down whilst the rest just wants to work is quite telling and not the first time it gets brought up. Also he’s on point about the loudest people talking about being inclusive usually being the most oblivious.

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themitigating 4y ago
What minority? This isn't limited any group. When the CEO of Disney expressed his opinion about a divisive topic the governor of Florida was so outraged he and other Republicans lawmakers changed the law to punish an entire company.
- thiscatis 4y ago
  Minority in the mathematical sense, not in the way most US based people think when they see the word minority.
  - themitigating 4y ago
    I figured that. Also one of the official definitions for the word "minority" in both UK and US dictionaries is an ethnic minority. Therefore when people in the US look at the word in context or even when it's ambiguous that's a valid meaning. UK - Oxford https://www.lexico.com/definition/minority https://www.lexico.com/definition/minority Def 1.2 A small group of people within a community or country, differing from the main population in race, religion, language, or political persuasion. US - Merriam Webster https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/minority https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/minority Def 3a/b a part of a population differing from others in some characteristics and often subjected to differential treatment
    - thiscatis 4y ago
      Thanks for these sources, English is not my first language but I get how could have been perceived insensitive.
gorwell 4y ago
The people who preach the loudest often do so to overshout their own past. It’s no coincidence that the loudest proponents of cancel culture and DEI have themselves a history of bigotry and bullying. Today this is the most effective way to bully or marginalize someone.

pcthrowaway 4y ago

Wow. I just lost all respect for Kraken and the CEO (it was probably my favourite of the crypto exchanges for transparency)

marcusverus 4y ago
Based on what, exactly? In my reading the CEO comes off as reasonable and even-handed.
- spookthesunset 4y ago
  Say whatever you want about his positions… but it isn’t cool to throw people in your company under the bus in front of the public. That right there is enough reason to judge him.
- thawaya3113 4y ago
  “We value diversity of thought”. “But not pronouns. Those are sacred.”
- greenie_beans 4y ago
  i have no context about anything he's talking about, but those tweets make him look like an ass
- uncomputation 4y ago
  Some of the thread is reasonable - e.g. the ESL Saudi and pronouns - but trying to get ahead of a critical article by saying “FUD! Don’t believe the news! Apply now!” is not the best look.
  - toolz 4y ago
    What should he be doing if he wants people to apply? Should he wait for the articles to spread the word that kraken isn't in a position to hire?
    - uncomputation 4y ago

leshow 4y ago

This thread is shocking. It sounds like some workers tried to introduce DEI and were ridiculed from the top down. Also, they may have had "20 people" who were brave enough to say something but I guarantee there were more who just didn't want to speak up.

ramesh31 4y ago
dubswithus 4y ago
From the tweet: > We've got people in 70+ countries, speaking 50+ languages in the company, trying to build products for people in 190. Differing perspectives will be shared. That's DIVERSITY. It's not always easy. You've gotta be resilient, humble, open and highly tolerant of differing norms.
- eropple 4y ago
  That tweet is nonsense. Let's talk concretely: should a queer person be expected to be tolerant of a coworker who believes that they should be beaten or killed for their sexual orientation? This question has a yes or no answer.
  - tayo42 4y ago
    No but what's the realistic action. Don't hire from certain countries? Push American values onto entire other countries from the safety of your computer? It's just not a battle that can be won so why fight it?
    - vkou 4y ago
      The realistic action is to expect everyone to behave like professionals. Your boss doesn't get to police what you think, but he can, and absolutely should police what you do at work. 'Bring your whole self to work' is nonsense. If your whole self is at odds with acceptable workplace behaviour, it should stay at home.

phillipcarter 4y ago

That thread is hilarious. He went on blast about "the N-word" being used in company communications and so now I know that what got leaked is embarrassing and a terrible look. I wouldn't normally care, but now that the CEO has gone and done this I'm gonna be on the look out for the story. As a side note, if this CEO thinks it's okay to toss around "the N-word", then why doesn't he just actually spell it out in Twitter? Or is he just a coward? ;)

artursapek 4y ago
I don't think that's what he is saying, lol
convery 4y ago
Automated TOS takedowns?
smcl 4y ago
Wild that (supposedly) only 20/3200 think using what is basically the ultimate racial slur in English is bad. And that he thinks this is a good thing? Just when I thought my opinion of crypto companies couldn't get any lower ...
- nullc 4y ago
  I think you're interpreting that backwards.
  - smcl 4y ago
    Hmm, I revisited to check and Tweet #1 is: > We recently attempted to summarize what the @krakenfx culture has been over the past 11 years, and what we hope it continues to be. > We had a few heated debates and it turns out we have about 20 people out of 3200 who are totally not on board. Ok so 20/3200 are "totally not on board" - i.e. they're the group of people supposedly causing trouble that we are going to be discussing in this thread. While tweet #5 lists what this group are annoyed about: > 5/ What are they upset about? > * DEI (Silicon Valley's version) > * pronouns, whether someone can identify as a different race and be allowed to use the N-word > * whether differences in human sex exist at all > * being respected and unoffended > * being "harmed" by "violent" words So my overall read is that he's taking aim at "woke" culture, and my initial interpretation of the second item was "that non-black people are using the n-word" which tracks with the overall point. I guess it could be interpreted differently ("if you identify as black [these unhappy people] think you should be able to use the n-word") but that isn't really in line with the rest of the tweet. But my interpretation was, someone's clearly dropping n-bombs and either: 1. only a small minority are vocally upset about it, the rest are ok 2. only a small minority have no qualms with it, the rest are upset And the scare-quotes in 'being "harmed" by "violent" words' kinda look like he's ridiculing this point. Honestly it reads like a tech-bro version of the usual "these liberal snowflakes need a safe space..." rant to me.

idontpost 4y ago

That was ... more than a little unhinged.

dsco 4y ago

optimalsolver 4y ago
Always a sign of great leadership. Just ask Coinbase.

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renewiltord 4y ago

Makes sense. There's a lot of time for the DEI stuff at the company when it's doing well. When it's doing poorly, there's just not that much time for it. From the perspective of the discriminated-against person, it's better the ship go down if it won't provide a fair place. From the perspective of the founder, it's his ship, and he's more interested in righting it than dealing with that. And since time is zero-sum, you're going to be doing one or the other. > If I could save the Union without freeing any slave I would do it, and if I could save it by freeing all the slaves I would do it; and if I could save it by freeing some and leaving others alone, I would also do that. I've always thought that this is Lincoln describing that his top priority is the Union (though others claim its that he doesn't care about slavery - which I disagree with). Essentially, save the ship by whatever means necessary, then fix the conditions on the ship.

usrn 4y ago
Lincoln also expected the newly freed slaves to go somewhere else and not stay.

duxup 4y ago

I’m guessing this article https://www.nytimes.com/2022/06/15/technology/kraken-crypto-culture.html https://www.nytimes.com/2022/06/15/technology/kraken-crypto-...