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>This is such an arrogant statement. It's not an arrogant statement. A lot of people don't understand how electric cars work. It's one of the biggest things h

>This is such an arrogant statement. It's not an arrogant statement. A lot of people don't understand how electric cars work. It's one of the biggest things holding them back. I still hear people saying "I don't want to spend 30 minutes recharging every week" when you don't need to. You can plug in a car overnight. But people struggle to understand that you can wake up every day with a "full tank" which is something a fossil fuel vehicle can't do. It requires thinking about your usage of a vehicle differently. >Because he wants it. The same reason I have everything I listed. I ask the question because, again, people don't understand how electric cars work. A lot of people think a 22KW charger at home will be like a 22KW DC charger. It's an attempt to gauge the actual reasoning behind wanting it. If his reasoning is to be future proof, then that's fine, it's perfectly reasonable to want that. But if his reasoning is to charge at 22KW then it's just a misunderstanding and something we can help him understand. Don't assume everyone asking questions is being naive or dismissive.

coderenegade 4y ago
I don't think it's that people don't understand how electric cars work, because I don't think that gives people enough credit. I think it's more that BEV advocates misunderstand how other people buy vehicles, or rather, they might have different purchasing habits because they skew wealthy. I don't buy a vehicle for the average use case -- I buy it for the edge cases. When I need to be able to move stuff or tow a trailer, I can. If I needed to cross the country tonight because of a family emergency, I could. I think this is a fairly common mindset for most people, because after a house, a car is the most expensive thing we'll ever own. The cost and continued upkeep mandates that a vehicle has utility beyond what a person needs on average. You're right that most people don't need a 22kW charger for their car, and they can wake up with a full tank every morning, but most people are probably also averse to the idea that their car has a downtime of several hours when they might really need it. You aren't just paying for the privilege of going from A to B, because if that's all it were, you could just call a cab -- part of owning and paying the upkeep for a car is that you're able to go right now when you need to.
- carlmr 4y ago
  >The cost and continued upkeep mandates that a vehicle has utility beyond what a person needs on average. Exactly! I hate the 90% of drives are less than 50km argument which is always made about range issues. I don't want to buy another car for the 10%. Also I take the train to work, I walk/cycle to the store. Almost all my driving is for hiking, climbing, skiing, or other vacations. I won't buy a car that has a max range with a new battery and no AC on that just barely gets me there and back.
  - Philip-J-Fry 4y ago
    You don't buy another car for the 10%. EVs do more than 50km... You rent a car for the case where you're going over 400km and charging is an issue. Probably 0.1% of trips, maybe less.
    - carlmr 4y ago
      400km is already only with new battery and no AC on most affordable EVs. And I do 400km trips most of the months, it's definitely more than 0.1% for me.
- turtlebits 4y ago
  Sorry, but that makes no sense. You can also wake up to a car with no gas. So your dilemma will be to either get gas to your home (will likely require another vehicle) or to plug in (until you have range get to a fast charge- or just let it charge) And yes, you can make that cross country trip in an EV. It will probably take longer (2-3 hours spent fast charging).
  - nomel 4y ago
    I did this last weekend, and it single handedly killed my desire to go all electric. I reserved two cars at two different rental agencies, showed up, and both said they had no cars. Another two didn't have the size I needed (+1 of ICE car capacity). The final one ended up costing $200/day, all after a few hours driving around town. This was just a random weekend. I can't imagine if there was any sort of desire to leave town, amongst the larger population. I'll be keeping my ICE car to go along with my electric, even if it just sits there, rusting. With that three day weekend excursion, I've paid for 13 months of my ICE car insurance.

coderenegade 4y ago

I don't think it's that people don't understand how electric cars work, because I don't think that gives people enough credit. I think it's more that BEV advocates misunderstand how other people buy vehicles, or rather, they might have different purchasing habits because they skew wealthy. I don't buy a vehicle for the average use case -- I buy it for the edge cases. When I need to be able to move stuff or tow a trailer, I can. If I needed to cross the country tonight because of a family emergency, I could. I think this is a fairly common mindset for most people, because after a house, a car is the most expensive thing we'll ever own. The cost and continued upkeep mandates that a vehicle has utility beyond what a person needs on average. You're right that most people don't need a 22kW charger for their car, and they can wake up with a full tank every morning, but most people are probably also averse to the idea that their car has a downtime of several hours when they might really need it. You aren't just paying for the privilege of going from A to B, because if that's all it were, you could just call a cab -- part of owning and paying the upkeep for a car is that you're able to go right now when you need to.

carlmr 4y ago
>The cost and continued upkeep mandates that a vehicle has utility beyond what a person needs on average. Exactly! I hate the 90% of drives are less than 50km argument which is always made about range issues. I don't want to buy another car for the 10%. Also I take the train to work, I walk/cycle to the store. Almost all my driving is for hiking, climbing, skiing, or other vacations. I won't buy a car that has a max range with a new battery and no AC on that just barely gets me there and back.
- Philip-J-Fry 4y ago
  You don't buy another car for the 10%. EVs do more than 50km... You rent a car for the case where you're going over 400km and charging is an issue. Probably 0.1% of trips, maybe less.
  - carlmr 4y ago
    400km is already only with new battery and no AC on most affordable EVs. And I do 400km trips most of the months, it's definitely more than 0.1% for me.
turtlebits 4y ago
Sorry, but that makes no sense. You can also wake up to a car with no gas. So your dilemma will be to either get gas to your home (will likely require another vehicle) or to plug in (until you have range get to a fast charge- or just let it charge) And yes, you can make that cross country trip in an EV. It will probably take longer (2-3 hours spent fast charging).
- nomel 4y ago
  I did this last weekend, and it single handedly killed my desire to go all electric. I reserved two cars at two different rental agencies, showed up, and both said they had no cars. Another two didn't have the size I needed (+1 of ICE car capacity). The final one ended up costing $200/day, all after a few hours driving around town. This was just a random weekend. I can't imagine if there was any sort of desire to leave town, amongst the larger population. I'll be keeping my ICE car to go along with my electric, even if it just sits there, rusting. With that three day weekend excursion, I've paid for 13 months of my ICE car insurance.