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> You don't need a fast charger at home. This is such an arrogant statement. I may not "need" 3 petabytes of storage for my home media server, but I have it.

> You don't need a fast charger at home. This is such an arrogant statement. I may not "need" 3 petabytes of storage for my home media server, but I have it. I may not "need" a 64-core Threadripper 3990X workstation with 256 GB of RAM, but I have it. I may not "need" enterprise-grade networking and WiFi gear, but I have it. I may not "need" a 60 kW Kohler diesel generator, but I have it. > Why do you need anything else? Because he wants it. The same reason I have everything I listed.

Schroedingersat 4y ago
You're the one being arrogant here. If what you want requires most of the city infrastructure to be rebuilt then you can pay for it. If you can't afford to pay for a new gas electric plant plus externalities and new poles with thicker wires then tough. Don't demand handouts.
koide 4y ago
The ability of getting everything one wants just because one can is not a good thing, in my view. Also, how is this relevant to the point above? One point is it's too expensive - so even if he wants it he might not be able to get it in the current reality. The counterpoint is that you can charge your car with a slower charger.
dendriti 4y ago
Please calm down. No one is attacking you. The point is, MOST people don't have a 3990X at home, because they don't need it, and MOST people won't have a fast charger at home, because they don't need it.
Philip-J-Fry 4y ago
>This is such an arrogant statement. It's not an arrogant statement. A lot of people don't understand how electric cars work. It's one of the biggest things holding them back. I still hear people saying "I don't want to spend 30 minutes recharging every week" when you don't need to. You can plug in a car overnight. But people struggle to understand that you can wake up every day with a "full tank" which is something a fossil fuel vehicle can't do. It requires thinking about your usage of a vehicle differently. >Because he wants it. The same reason I have everything I listed. I ask the question because, again, people don't understand how electric cars work. A lot of people think a 22KW charger at home will be like a 22KW DC charger. It's an attempt to gauge the actual reasoning behind wanting it. If his reasoning is to be future proof, then that's fine, it's perfectly reasonable to want that. But if his reasoning is to charge at 22KW then it's just a misunderstanding and something we can help him understand. Don't assume everyone asking questions is being naive or dismissive.
- coderenegade 4y ago
  I don't think it's that people don't understand how electric cars work, because I don't think that gives people enough credit. I think it's more that BEV advocates misunderstand how other people buy vehicles, or rather, they might have different purchasing habits because they skew wealthy. I don't buy a vehicle for the average use case -- I buy it for the edge cases. When I need to be able to move stuff or tow a trailer, I can. If I needed to cross the country tonight because of a family emergency, I could. I think this is a fairly common mindset for most people, because after a house, a car is the most expensive thing we'll ever own. The cost and continued upkeep mandates that a vehicle has utility beyond what a person needs on average. You're right that most people don't need a 22kW charger for their car, and they can wake up with a full tank every morning, but most people are probably also averse to the idea that their car has a downtime of several hours when they might really need it. You aren't just paying for the privilege of going from A to B, because if that's all it were, you could just call a cab -- part of owning and paying the upkeep for a car is that you're able to go right now when you need to.
  - carlmr 4y ago
    >The cost and continued upkeep mandates that a vehicle has utility beyond what a person needs on average. Exactly! I hate the 90% of drives are less than 50km argument which is always made about range issues. I don't want to buy another car for the 10%. Also I take the train to work, I walk/cycle to the store. Almost all my driving is for hiking, climbing, skiing, or other vacations. I won't buy a car that has a max range with a new battery and no AC on that just barely gets me there and back.
    - Philip-J-Fry 4y ago
      You don't buy another car for the 10%. EVs do more than 50km... You rent a car for the case where you're going over 400km and charging is an issue. Probably 0.1% of trips, maybe less.
      - carlmr 4y ago
sshagent 4y ago
3 pb home media storage. Nice indeed. I'm impressed
- cbozeman 4y ago
  It was luck, honestly. I got three WD Ultrastar Data60s from a friend whose company was upgrading to some even more ridiculous storage solution. They were letting them go for $10,000 each or so, populated with 14 TB drives, so I went for all three. I fully expect that I won't have to upgrade storage for the rest of my life, because, honestly... I don't know where we go past 4K. 8K is just dumb for everyone unless you have a 200 foot screen that you sit 10 feet away from or so. As far as games go, yes, they're approaching 250 GB, but there does come a point where textures, models, and sound will become "good enough". I figure 1 TB games will be pretty much "the end", but then again... the first computer I got was 28 years ago and had a 540 MB hard drive, but in fairness, that seemed small even back then. I guess some day someone will bitch that their computer only has 6 PB of storage...
  - sshagent 4y ago
    Thanks for the reply, lovely stuff. I've only recently really started to bring my hardware back home and only have a few TB. I don't mind purchase price for hardware, but it's the power consumption that's an issue. Especially as our electricity has gone up 60% a few months ago, and likely going up again October. My day job is scooping up film data, and if my last 15 years here has shown me anything were always going to need more disk. Staying at 4k the be lovely.
revertmean 4y ago
> I may not "need" a 60 kW Kohler diesel generator, but I have it. Those run about $20k don't they? If you'd come on here complaining that generator technology wasn't ready yet because you'd been quoted $20k for your 60kW Kohler, you'd probably get the same response: you don't really need it. GP clearly doesn't want that 22kW charging station that much, because they've been told how much it costs (same as your generator) and they're unwilling to pay that. And they don't need it.
CHY872 4y ago
Yeah no. GP is arguing that most people should not buy an electric car for a reason that's invalid for the 99th percentile of people, and saying that it's too expensive to install a solution that is not what you need to make an electric car viable. I can go buy a $50k top of rack switch to route data between my WiFi APs, yes, and I might want to! But it's not valid to then go around telling people that they're not ready for multiple access points because the tech to link them costs $50k. And it's certainly not 'arrogant' to correct people of their misconceptions, because this is a huge EV misconception.
sorenjan 4y ago
What you're describing is over consumption, and it's what got us in the mess we're in and trying to fix. Everyone have a legal right to buy more than they need because they want it, that doesn't mean they should. Flying on vacation, buying new clothes from the other side of the world each month, replacing a fully working car with a new one, having the AC blasting in a poorly insulated house, etc, these things all have a cost to the system but people have started thinking of these excesses as rights.
MrMan 4y ago
you sound like the arrogant one, to be honest

Schroedingersat 4y ago

You're the one being arrogant here. If what you want requires most of the city infrastructure to be rebuilt then you can pay for it. If you can't afford to pay for a new gas electric plant plus externalities and new poles with thicker wires then tough. Don't demand handouts.

koide 4y ago

The ability of getting everything one wants just because one can is not a good thing, in my view. Also, how is this relevant to the point above? One point is it's too expensive - so even if he wants it he might not be able to get it in the current reality. The counterpoint is that you can charge your car with a slower charger.

dendriti 4y ago

Please calm down. No one is attacking you. The point is, MOST people don't have a 3990X at home, because they don't need it, and MOST people won't have a fast charger at home, because they don't need it.

Philip-J-Fry 4y ago

>This is such an arrogant statement. It's not an arrogant statement. A lot of people don't understand how electric cars work. It's one of the biggest things holding them back. I still hear people saying "I don't want to spend 30 minutes recharging every week" when you don't need to. You can plug in a car overnight. But people struggle to understand that you can wake up every day with a "full tank" which is something a fossil fuel vehicle can't do. It requires thinking about your usage of a vehicle differently. >Because he wants it. The same reason I have everything I listed. I ask the question because, again, people don't understand how electric cars work. A lot of people think a 22KW charger at home will be like a 22KW DC charger. It's an attempt to gauge the actual reasoning behind wanting it. If his reasoning is to be future proof, then that's fine, it's perfectly reasonable to want that. But if his reasoning is to charge at 22KW then it's just a misunderstanding and something we can help him understand. Don't assume everyone asking questions is being naive or dismissive.

coderenegade 4y ago
I don't think it's that people don't understand how electric cars work, because I don't think that gives people enough credit. I think it's more that BEV advocates misunderstand how other people buy vehicles, or rather, they might have different purchasing habits because they skew wealthy. I don't buy a vehicle for the average use case -- I buy it for the edge cases. When I need to be able to move stuff or tow a trailer, I can. If I needed to cross the country tonight because of a family emergency, I could. I think this is a fairly common mindset for most people, because after a house, a car is the most expensive thing we'll ever own. The cost and continued upkeep mandates that a vehicle has utility beyond what a person needs on average. You're right that most people don't need a 22kW charger for their car, and they can wake up with a full tank every morning, but most people are probably also averse to the idea that their car has a downtime of several hours when they might really need it. You aren't just paying for the privilege of going from A to B, because if that's all it were, you could just call a cab -- part of owning and paying the upkeep for a car is that you're able to go right now when you need to.
- carlmr 4y ago
  >The cost and continued upkeep mandates that a vehicle has utility beyond what a person needs on average. Exactly! I hate the 90% of drives are less than 50km argument which is always made about range issues. I don't want to buy another car for the 10%. Also I take the train to work, I walk/cycle to the store. Almost all my driving is for hiking, climbing, skiing, or other vacations. I won't buy a car that has a max range with a new battery and no AC on that just barely gets me there and back.
  - Philip-J-Fry 4y ago
    You don't buy another car for the 10%. EVs do more than 50km... You rent a car for the case where you're going over 400km and charging is an issue. Probably 0.1% of trips, maybe less.
    - carlmr 4y ago

sshagent 4y ago

3 pb home media storage. Nice indeed. I'm impressed

cbozeman 4y ago
It was luck, honestly. I got three WD Ultrastar Data60s from a friend whose company was upgrading to some even more ridiculous storage solution. They were letting them go for $10,000 each or so, populated with 14 TB drives, so I went for all three. I fully expect that I won't have to upgrade storage for the rest of my life, because, honestly... I don't know where we go past 4K. 8K is just dumb for everyone unless you have a 200 foot screen that you sit 10 feet away from or so. As far as games go, yes, they're approaching 250 GB, but there does come a point where textures, models, and sound will become "good enough". I figure 1 TB games will be pretty much "the end", but then again... the first computer I got was 28 years ago and had a 540 MB hard drive, but in fairness, that seemed small even back then. I guess some day someone will bitch that their computer only has 6 PB of storage...
- sshagent 4y ago
  Thanks for the reply, lovely stuff. I've only recently really started to bring my hardware back home and only have a few TB. I don't mind purchase price for hardware, but it's the power consumption that's an issue. Especially as our electricity has gone up 60% a few months ago, and likely going up again October. My day job is scooping up film data, and if my last 15 years here has shown me anything were always going to need more disk. Staying at 4k the be lovely.

revertmean 4y ago

> I may not "need" a 60 kW Kohler diesel generator, but I have it. Those run about $20k don't they? If you'd come on here complaining that generator technology wasn't ready yet because you'd been quoted $20k for your 60kW Kohler, you'd probably get the same response: you don't really need it. GP clearly doesn't want that 22kW charging station that much, because they've been told how much it costs (same as your generator) and they're unwilling to pay that. And they don't need it.

CHY872 4y ago

Yeah no. GP is arguing that most people should not buy an electric car for a reason that's invalid for the 99th percentile of people, and saying that it's too expensive to install a solution that is not what you need to make an electric car viable. I can go buy a $50k top of rack switch to route data between my WiFi APs, yes, and I might want to! But it's not valid to then go around telling people that they're not ready for multiple access points because the tech to link them costs $50k. And it's certainly not 'arrogant' to correct people of their misconceptions, because this is a huge EV misconception.

sorenjan 4y ago

What you're describing is over consumption, and it's what got us in the mess we're in and trying to fix. Everyone have a legal right to buy more than they need because they want it, that doesn't mean they should. Flying on vacation, buying new clothes from the other side of the world each month, replacing a fully working car with a new one, having the AC blasting in a poorly insulated house, etc, these things all have a cost to the system but people have started thinking of these excesses as rights.

MrMan 4y ago

you sound like the arrogant one, to be honest