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Survey: iPhone owners spend more, have higher incomes than Android users

18 points by sogen 4y ago

MBCook 4y ago
I heard a stat the other day that 75-80% of new car buyers in the US are iPhone owners. It sort of makes sense (especially given the crazy high average new car price) but I was still surprised it was that one-sided.
simonblack 4y ago
"If you want to eat with the Classes, you sell to the masses. If you sell to the Classes, you'll eat with the masses." Lots more Android phones out there than IPhones.
jitl 4y ago
This just in: people buying more expensive product (on average) have more money (on average)
- HWR_14 4y ago
  iPhones aren't the most expensive flagship phones and they can be pretty expensive. Heck, carriers will give you a base model iPhone for switching.
  - vladvasiliu 4y ago
    GP's point isn't about flagship phones, but about the average price over the general ecosystem. Of course, they may be wrong, since they didn't cite anything. But I would clearly be surprised to learn that the average Android phone sold isn't cheaper than the average iPhone sold.
    - HWR_14 4y ago
      > I would clearly be surprised to learn that the average Android phone sold isn't cheaper than the average iPhone sold. I really would. In the US (where this survey is based) every two years you can get a free iPhone for switching carriers. Usually it's a year or so behind the curve. Carriers offer discounts on Android phones that lead to some being free as well, of course, but it wouldn't surprise me if a huge percentage of iPhones were subsidized by carriers to get business and were free to end users.
      - vladvasiliu 4y ago
        In France, there are plans that give you discounted iPhones (never seen current or previous generations ones for free). Some cheaper Androids can be free. But these plans are much more expensive than equivalent plans with no phone. My aging iPhone is more or less due for a replacement, so I've been looking into those. Basically, you have to take on these plans for two years. And by the end of the two years, if you sum the difference between the plans, you usually end up paying more than if you bought the iPhone on your own.
    - BbzzbB 4y ago
      I agree that it seems quite self-evident. But for kicks, here are some proper numbers of average price by OS (couldn't find median). Statista (2012-2018): https://www.statista.com/statistics/309472/global-average-selling-price-smartphones/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/309472/global-average-se... Some peer-reviewed paper (2007-2016): https://www.researchgate.net/figure/The-average-selling-price-of-smartphones-by-operating-system_tbl2_334434628 https://www.researchgate.net/figure/The-average-selling-pric... Shouldn't surprise anyone really, but iPhones are more expensive. Let's also consider the fact they have <14% [1] market share of smartphones yet are the most profitable and valuable company on Earth (excluding the one that's the extension of a monarchy/state) because of that product, which I think paints the picture. 1: https://www.statista.com/statistics/272307/market-share-forecast-for-smartphone-operating-systems/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/272307/market-share-fore...
      - MBCook 4y ago
        Remember though that iPhone market share is consistently 40-50% in the US, varying by year. I couldn’t tell from the article if the survey was US only or not but given they quote incomes in dollars I wouldn’t be surprised. So 14% may not be relevant here.
        HWR_14 4y ago
        The article wasn't clear, but the survey was done of 2,000 customers (1,000 each OS) done by a US company (I believe a startup) designed to connect it's customers with discounts at US stores. While it's possible (it's an app/website) that non-US users exist, it seems unlikely anyone would sign up if they were outside the US.
        BbzzbB 4y ago
        Fair, Facebook's ARPU per region is a good illustration of how much more valuable that market is compared to everywhere else. FWIW I recall seeing an even higher figure for US teens.
  - lucius_verus 4y ago
    No one is saying that iphones are the most expensive flagships. A difference in maximum isn't the same as a difference in average. Apple doesn't make a product that costs less than $430 (the SE). If you need a cheaper phone, you have to go Android. For lots of people, $400 is a lot of money (especially if you're also buying phones for your kids, who are likely to break whatever you buy them). In lots of families it's iphone for the grownups, android for the kids. And that's just within the US. On a global scale, if you're selling phones outside of the US and European markets, some part of your product lineup has to be in the sub $200 range (in addition to the flagships you sell everywhere). For example, in India, Xiaomi sells the Redmi 9A for Rs 8,000 (about $100). They're competing with Samsung phones we don't see in the US, like the Galaxy M series, which are in the same price category. Those phones exist because (a) people need cell phones (especially in places where a phone might be your primary access to the internet) and (b) Apple is choosing not to go after those customers. Even though Samsung makes a more expensive flagship, the average income of Android users will always be lower because (a) there are more poor people world-wide than rich people, and (b) Apple isn't making phones for poor people, while Samsung, Xiaomi, Oppo, etc. are. Apple's strategy is totally working for them (selling a luxury product at luxury prices works well) but it also means that most poor people (which is most people) won't ever have one, so the average income of an iOS user will always be higher (along with the other things that go along with a higher income, like higher spending).
    - HWR_14 4y ago
      > On a global scale, if you're selling phones outside of the US and European markets, We're not talking about a global scale. We're talking about a US-based survey about US-based people. > Apple doesn't make a product that costs less than $430 (the SE). > $400 is a lot of money Except every two years you can switch carriers and pay $0 out of pocket. Heck, if switch today you get a base iPhone 12 or iPhone 13 they don't even raise your contract vs BYOD. And if you want to pay for a more advanced iPhone (say, upgrade to the Max Pro for an additional $400), they finance that over 2 years. > In lots of families it's iphone for the grownups, android for the kids. That argues against what you're saying. Unless you think that kids as independent economic actors need to be accounted for separately than their parents, in a lot of families the people using Androids are children of parents rich enough to afford iPhones.
mndgs 4y ago
No this: the more you live, the older you get.
srvmshr 4y ago
Slightly OT: I remember seeing related trends with hotel bookings. Mac users tend to choose higher segment hotels (apparently): https://business.time.com/2012/06/26/orbitz-shows-higher-prices-to-mac-users/ https://business.time.com/2012/06/26/orbitz-shows-higher-pri...
- sammalloy 4y ago
  IIRC, the highest end hotels were some of the first commercial entities to install Apple Pay terminals when it was released. It took years for normal, regular stores that serve the general public to add that feature.
  - GrifMD 4y ago
    I'm not sure that's correct. EU and Australia have been using contactless terminals before Apple Pay. Still, most hotels I go to want the actual card number (usually taken at checkin) that they put on hold. Payment can either be charged to that card number on file at check out or you can present another card. I recently saw someone denied check in when they only had their phone at the Shangri La in Sydney a year or so ago. Thinking back, the only time I've used contactless to pay for a hotel was at the Six Senses in Fiji. Four Seasons & Ritz Reserve usually still do the whole folio presentation thing at check out. Most of the standard corporate hotels (Hyatt, IHG, Marriott) I've been to have let you check out in their app to the card on file.
    - MBCook 4y ago
      I know Apple worked with various high end hotels to deploy their phone/watch as a key offering. Going to be a long time before that’s in Holiday Inn or La Quinta.
    - sammalloy 4y ago
      > I'm not sure that's correct. EU and Australia have been using contactless terminals before Apple Pay. That’s not what I was talking about. I was referring to Apple Pay early adopters per the context of the hotel comment I was replying to up above, not to the ubiquity of contactless terminals, which predates Apple Pay by quite a long time, as you correctly observe.
3qz 4y ago
iPhone users are also much better looking
- denkmoon 4y ago
  and last longer in the bedroom too, don't forget.
busymom0 4y ago
I am the developer of HACK, a hacker news client for iOS, android and MacOS. Anecdotal experience but I have always made significantly more money on iOS than android. My app doesn’t have any subscription or anything like that. It’s a one time one purchase which unlocks push notifications for when someone replies on HN, theme colours and fonts. Both iOS and android apps are very similar in functionality but iOS just seems easier to get downloads and also users seem a lot more willing in buying the in app purchase.
- HKH2 4y ago
  There are no third party app stores on iOS, so I'm not surprised at all.
stevewodil 4y ago
Ever since I started using iPhone I did land a few new high paying jobs and am starting to spend more money (lifestyle creep). I’m never going back to android now that I’m accustomed to this new life.
- victor9000 4y ago
  I used an Android device once and got demoted 2 levels that same day.
- rschachte 4y ago
  Lol, I enjoyed this comment
- winternett 4y ago
  The editorial details exactly how societal class-ism starts. This study is ridiculous. I have an old android because they took SD card support and headphone jacks out. I also spent money on a fairly expensive car, and have no aversion to buying tech that isn't disposable. just like many others. What puts me off apple devices most is probably this brand of elitism based on class and racial undertones. They are devices, not personality attributes by which people should be measured.
  - heywoodlh 4y ago
    > Ever since I started using iPhone I did land a few new high paying jobs and am starting to spend more money (lifestyle creep). I’m never going back to android now that I’m accustomed to this new life. Pretty sure this is a joke.
  - russelldjimmy 4y ago
    > What puts me off apple devices most is probably this brand of elitism based on class and racial undertones. What does this mean? > They are devices, not personality attributes by which people should be measured. Who is measuring people like this? How can “people” even be measured?
xiaodai 4y ago
duh. it's more expensive to begin with. Let's adjust the data for price of the phone. then u may see that galaxy top of the range users are of similiar income
bilbobagends 4y ago
This is well known. There is a paper from the FDIC that points out that if you make lending decisions based on platform (iPhone vs android or macOS vs windows) you are likely discriminating because iPhone and macOS skew older, richer, and whiter. It is one of the things that makes letting ML have access to big random data sets for lending and finance so dangerous.
- spoonjim 4y ago
  If iOS predicts better loan repayment and it’s legal to use, why wouldn’t I?
  - runnerup 4y ago
    The questions would be: 1) Will it continue to be legal? 2) Do I care about ethical concerns and does something being legal make it ethical? Other people who are in a different position from you will be exploring this to determine if #1 should be changed.
  - eh9 4y ago
    If you want to racially discriminate, that’s on you.
    - syspec 4y ago
      You're not helping, even though you think you are. You're just perpetuating the prejudice of minorities, even if your coming from a good place.
  - teruakohatu 4y ago
    Assuming your question is not rhetorical: because it probably does not predict what you think it does. People with higher incomes probably buy more expensive phones. You already have their income on a loan application, so you don't need a blackbox NN model to confirm it. Throwing in a bunch of corrolated features into a model won't help improve accuracy. But if you throw in a bunch of weak features that together sum to a predictor of race (or other protected attributes), then aside from being grossly unethical, may well be illegal.
sammalloy 4y ago
A question I’ve never been able to find the answer to: which is more durable and lasts longer? Anecdotally, everyone I know who runs Android replaces their phone far more often than those who own iPhone. But there’s so many different variables, it’s hard to know if they are replacing it because the phone is less durable or because iPhone owners replace it less for other reasons.
- ev1 4y ago
  it depends heavily, I carry both on a daily basis (the iPhone is the oncall/work-pays) If you are not on the Pixel line, you're probably barely getting support measured in months. I absolutely despise most third party Android vendors. Samsung is one of the worst offenders for obnoxious unremovable bloatware, spam, etc. Rebadged AOSP browser vulnerable to everything. I don't think I've had LG phones supported for even one month after buying them. The Chinese phones are also wildly variable, like xiaomi not allowing bootloader unlocks without you signing up for their forum and begging them in a thread for months and it's entirely subjective. I've had iPhone SE (1st gen) used for years, still running currently latest stable iOS and supported up to now.
  - heywoodlh 4y ago
    > I absolutely despise most third party Android vendors. Years ago I got a Samsung Galaxy 8 which came preloaded with CNN and Facebook. After uninstalling those apps, I poked around with adb and found services still running for CNN and Facebook. Made me also despise non-Pixel devices. For a long while my daily driver was a Pixel 4 (probably my favorite phone hardware of all time) running GrapheneOS and then eventually CalyxOS. If I were to ever switch back to Android I would 100% go back to Pixel running CalyxOS. I absolutely loved that setup. Things that keep me on iOS: - On-demand VPN. I use Wireguard and it is unnoticeable when it automatically turns on when I leave home. I was able to use Tasker on Android to unreliably replicate this functionality. - Apple Shortcuts. Android could really benefit from a first-party automation toolset, Tasker is still pretty mediocre compared to Shortcuts from my somewhat recent tinkering. - Apple is a decent steward of data and I'm encouraged by the continuing privacy features they release (Private Relay is awesome). Despite this, I try to avoid the walled garden as much as possible. Homekit is one area where I've totally invested into but could switch that out with HA if I ever switched back to Android. Things I miss from Android: - Sideloading. F-Droid is the best -- I miss sideloading so much and hope that Apple is eventually forced into allowing users to actually sideload (not the temporary 7-day renewal you are forced to do). Because of the ability to sideload you can embrace an open source ecosystem so much more than you can on iOS. - Custom, debloated roms. Aside from those drawbacks I am a big fan of both Android and iOS and find very little difference in how useful each OS is to me. EDIT: fixed formatting and minor typo
nr2x 4y ago
2018
Nursie 4y ago
In 2018, in the USA.
lucius_verus 4y ago
It turns out that when your company doesn't make any products that serve the budget end of the market, the average income of your userbase skews higher than companies that do serve that part of the market. Who knew?
- camhenlin 4y ago
  That’s why the highest ranking phone under $500… is an iPhone? It honestly makes the most sense to buy the budget iPhone if you are on a budget. They’re supported much longer than other phones meaning not only are you not paying a whole lot up front, you’re also able to meaningfully use it much longer than competing android phones. *Just one source but still: https://www.theverge.com/21420196/best-budget-smartphone-cheap https://www.theverge.com/21420196/best-budget-smartphone-che...
  - sofixa 4y ago
    According to some napkin math, those $500 are a bit less than half the monthly federal minimal wage for 40h weeks. In the US, one of the richest countries. So that's not really "budget".
28304283409234 4y ago
(2018)

18 points by sogen 4y ago

I heard a stat the other day that 75-80% of new car buyers in the US are iPhone owners. It sort of makes sense (especially given the crazy high average new car price) but I was still surprised it was that one-sided.

simonblack 4y ago

"If you want to eat with the Classes, you sell to the masses. If you sell to the Classes, you'll eat with the masses." Lots more Android phones out there than IPhones.

jitl 4y ago

This just in: people buying more expensive product (on average) have more money (on average)

HWR_14 4y ago
iPhones aren't the most expensive flagship phones and they can be pretty expensive. Heck, carriers will give you a base model iPhone for switching.
- vladvasiliu 4y ago
  GP's point isn't about flagship phones, but about the average price over the general ecosystem. Of course, they may be wrong, since they didn't cite anything. But I would clearly be surprised to learn that the average Android phone sold isn't cheaper than the average iPhone sold.
  - HWR_14 4y ago
    > I would clearly be surprised to learn that the average Android phone sold isn't cheaper than the average iPhone sold. I really would. In the US (where this survey is based) every two years you can get a free iPhone for switching carriers. Usually it's a year or so behind the curve. Carriers offer discounts on Android phones that lead to some being free as well, of course, but it wouldn't surprise me if a huge percentage of iPhones were subsidized by carriers to get business and were free to end users.
    - vladvasiliu 4y ago
      In France, there are plans that give you discounted iPhones (never seen current or previous generations ones for free). Some cheaper Androids can be free. But these plans are much more expensive than equivalent plans with no phone. My aging iPhone is more or less due for a replacement, so I've been looking into those. Basically, you have to take on these plans for two years. And by the end of the two years, if you sum the difference between the plans, you usually end up paying more than if you bought the iPhone on your own.
  - BbzzbB 4y ago
    I agree that it seems quite self-evident. But for kicks, here are some proper numbers of average price by OS (couldn't find median). Statista (2012-2018): https://www.statista.com/statistics/309472/global-average-selling-price-smartphones/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/309472/global-average-se... Some peer-reviewed paper (2007-2016): https://www.researchgate.net/figure/The-average-selling-price-of-smartphones-by-operating-system_tbl2_334434628 https://www.researchgate.net/figure/The-average-selling-pric... Shouldn't surprise anyone really, but iPhones are more expensive. Let's also consider the fact they have <14% [1] market share of smartphones yet are the most profitable and valuable company on Earth (excluding the one that's the extension of a monarchy/state) because of that product, which I think paints the picture. 1: https://www.statista.com/statistics/272307/market-share-forecast-for-smartphone-operating-systems/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/272307/market-share-fore...
    - MBCook 4y ago
      Remember though that iPhone market share is consistently 40-50% in the US, varying by year. I couldn’t tell from the article if the survey was US only or not but given they quote incomes in dollars I wouldn’t be surprised. So 14% may not be relevant here.
      - HWR_14 4y ago
        The article wasn't clear, but the survey was done of 2,000 customers (1,000 each OS) done by a US company (I believe a startup) designed to connect it's customers with discounts at US stores. While it's possible (it's an app/website) that non-US users exist, it seems unlikely anyone would sign up if they were outside the US.
      - BbzzbB 4y ago
        Fair, Facebook's ARPU per region is a good illustration of how much more valuable that market is compared to everywhere else. FWIW I recall seeing an even higher figure for US teens.
- lucius_verus 4y ago
  No one is saying that iphones are the most expensive flagships. A difference in maximum isn't the same as a difference in average. Apple doesn't make a product that costs less than $430 (the SE). If you need a cheaper phone, you have to go Android. For lots of people, $400 is a lot of money (especially if you're also buying phones for your kids, who are likely to break whatever you buy them). In lots of families it's iphone for the grownups, android for the kids. And that's just within the US. On a global scale, if you're selling phones outside of the US and European markets, some part of your product lineup has to be in the sub $200 range (in addition to the flagships you sell everywhere). For example, in India, Xiaomi sells the Redmi 9A for Rs 8,000 (about $100). They're competing with Samsung phones we don't see in the US, like the Galaxy M series, which are in the same price category. Those phones exist because (a) people need cell phones (especially in places where a phone might be your primary access to the internet) and (b) Apple is choosing not to go after those customers. Even though Samsung makes a more expensive flagship, the average income of Android users will always be lower because (a) there are more poor people world-wide than rich people, and (b) Apple isn't making phones for poor people, while Samsung, Xiaomi, Oppo, etc. are. Apple's strategy is totally working for them (selling a luxury product at luxury prices works well) but it also means that most poor people (which is most people) won't ever have one, so the average income of an iOS user will always be higher (along with the other things that go along with a higher income, like higher spending).
  - HWR_14 4y ago
    > On a global scale, if you're selling phones outside of the US and European markets, We're not talking about a global scale. We're talking about a US-based survey about US-based people. > Apple doesn't make a product that costs less than $430 (the SE). > $400 is a lot of money Except every two years you can switch carriers and pay $0 out of pocket. Heck, if switch today you get a base iPhone 12 or iPhone 13 they don't even raise your contract vs BYOD. And if you want to pay for a more advanced iPhone (say, upgrade to the Max Pro for an additional $400), they finance that over 2 years. > In lots of families it's iphone for the grownups, android for the kids. That argues against what you're saying. Unless you think that kids as independent economic actors need to be accounted for separately than their parents, in a lot of families the people using Androids are children of parents rich enough to afford iPhones.

mndgs 4y ago

No this: the more you live, the older you get.

srvmshr 4y ago

Slightly OT: I remember seeing related trends with hotel bookings. Mac users tend to choose higher segment hotels (apparently): https://business.time.com/2012/06/26/orbitz-shows-higher-prices-to-mac-users/ https://business.time.com/2012/06/26/orbitz-shows-higher-pri...

sammalloy 4y ago
IIRC, the highest end hotels were some of the first commercial entities to install Apple Pay terminals when it was released. It took years for normal, regular stores that serve the general public to add that feature.
- GrifMD 4y ago
  I'm not sure that's correct. EU and Australia have been using contactless terminals before Apple Pay. Still, most hotels I go to want the actual card number (usually taken at checkin) that they put on hold. Payment can either be charged to that card number on file at check out or you can present another card. I recently saw someone denied check in when they only had their phone at the Shangri La in Sydney a year or so ago. Thinking back, the only time I've used contactless to pay for a hotel was at the Six Senses in Fiji. Four Seasons & Ritz Reserve usually still do the whole folio presentation thing at check out. Most of the standard corporate hotels (Hyatt, IHG, Marriott) I've been to have let you check out in their app to the card on file.
  - MBCook 4y ago
    I know Apple worked with various high end hotels to deploy their phone/watch as a key offering. Going to be a long time before that’s in Holiday Inn or La Quinta.
  - sammalloy 4y ago
    > I'm not sure that's correct. EU and Australia have been using contactless terminals before Apple Pay. That’s not what I was talking about. I was referring to Apple Pay early adopters per the context of the hotel comment I was replying to up above, not to the ubiquity of contactless terminals, which predates Apple Pay by quite a long time, as you correctly observe.

3qz 4y ago

iPhone users are also much better looking

denkmoon 4y ago
and last longer in the bedroom too, don't forget.

busymom0 4y ago

I am the developer of HACK, a hacker news client for iOS, android and MacOS. Anecdotal experience but I have always made significantly more money on iOS than android. My app doesn’t have any subscription or anything like that. It’s a one time one purchase which unlocks push notifications for when someone replies on HN, theme colours and fonts. Both iOS and android apps are very similar in functionality but iOS just seems easier to get downloads and also users seem a lot more willing in buying the in app purchase.

HKH2 4y ago
There are no third party app stores on iOS, so I'm not surprised at all.

stevewodil 4y ago

Ever since I started using iPhone I did land a few new high paying jobs and am starting to spend more money (lifestyle creep). I’m never going back to android now that I’m accustomed to this new life.

victor9000 4y ago
I used an Android device once and got demoted 2 levels that same day.
rschachte 4y ago
Lol, I enjoyed this comment
winternett 4y ago
The editorial details exactly how societal class-ism starts. This study is ridiculous. I have an old android because they took SD card support and headphone jacks out. I also spent money on a fairly expensive car, and have no aversion to buying tech that isn't disposable. just like many others. What puts me off apple devices most is probably this brand of elitism based on class and racial undertones. They are devices, not personality attributes by which people should be measured.
- heywoodlh 4y ago
  > Ever since I started using iPhone I did land a few new high paying jobs and am starting to spend more money (lifestyle creep). I’m never going back to android now that I’m accustomed to this new life. Pretty sure this is a joke.
- russelldjimmy 4y ago
  > What puts me off apple devices most is probably this brand of elitism based on class and racial undertones. What does this mean? > They are devices, not personality attributes by which people should be measured. Who is measuring people like this? How can “people” even be measured?

xiaodai 4y ago

duh. it's more expensive to begin with. Let's adjust the data for price of the phone. then u may see that galaxy top of the range users are of similiar income

bilbobagends 4y ago

This is well known. There is a paper from the FDIC that points out that if you make lending decisions based on platform (iPhone vs android or macOS vs windows) you are likely discriminating because iPhone and macOS skew older, richer, and whiter. It is one of the things that makes letting ML have access to big random data sets for lending and finance so dangerous.

spoonjim 4y ago
If iOS predicts better loan repayment and it’s legal to use, why wouldn’t I?
- runnerup 4y ago
  The questions would be: 1) Will it continue to be legal? 2) Do I care about ethical concerns and does something being legal make it ethical? Other people who are in a different position from you will be exploring this to determine if #1 should be changed.
- eh9 4y ago
  If you want to racially discriminate, that’s on you.
  - syspec 4y ago
    You're not helping, even though you think you are. You're just perpetuating the prejudice of minorities, even if your coming from a good place.
- teruakohatu 4y ago
  Assuming your question is not rhetorical: because it probably does not predict what you think it does. People with higher incomes probably buy more expensive phones. You already have their income on a loan application, so you don't need a blackbox NN model to confirm it. Throwing in a bunch of corrolated features into a model won't help improve accuracy. But if you throw in a bunch of weak features that together sum to a predictor of race (or other protected attributes), then aside from being grossly unethical, may well be illegal.

sammalloy 4y ago

A question I’ve never been able to find the answer to: which is more durable and lasts longer? Anecdotally, everyone I know who runs Android replaces their phone far more often than those who own iPhone. But there’s so many different variables, it’s hard to know if they are replacing it because the phone is less durable or because iPhone owners replace it less for other reasons.

ev1 4y ago
it depends heavily, I carry both on a daily basis (the iPhone is the oncall/work-pays) If you are not on the Pixel line, you're probably barely getting support measured in months. I absolutely despise most third party Android vendors. Samsung is one of the worst offenders for obnoxious unremovable bloatware, spam, etc. Rebadged AOSP browser vulnerable to everything. I don't think I've had LG phones supported for even one month after buying them. The Chinese phones are also wildly variable, like xiaomi not allowing bootloader unlocks without you signing up for their forum and begging them in a thread for months and it's entirely subjective. I've had iPhone SE (1st gen) used for years, still running currently latest stable iOS and supported up to now.
- heywoodlh 4y ago
  > I absolutely despise most third party Android vendors. Years ago I got a Samsung Galaxy 8 which came preloaded with CNN and Facebook. After uninstalling those apps, I poked around with adb and found services still running for CNN and Facebook. Made me also despise non-Pixel devices. For a long while my daily driver was a Pixel 4 (probably my favorite phone hardware of all time) running GrapheneOS and then eventually CalyxOS. If I were to ever switch back to Android I would 100% go back to Pixel running CalyxOS. I absolutely loved that setup. Things that keep me on iOS: - On-demand VPN. I use Wireguard and it is unnoticeable when it automatically turns on when I leave home. I was able to use Tasker on Android to unreliably replicate this functionality. - Apple Shortcuts. Android could really benefit from a first-party automation toolset, Tasker is still pretty mediocre compared to Shortcuts from my somewhat recent tinkering. - Apple is a decent steward of data and I'm encouraged by the continuing privacy features they release (Private Relay is awesome). Despite this, I try to avoid the walled garden as much as possible. Homekit is one area where I've totally invested into but could switch that out with HA if I ever switched back to Android. Things I miss from Android: - Sideloading. F-Droid is the best -- I miss sideloading so much and hope that Apple is eventually forced into allowing users to actually sideload (not the temporary 7-day renewal you are forced to do). Because of the ability to sideload you can embrace an open source ecosystem so much more than you can on iOS. - Custom, debloated roms. Aside from those drawbacks I am a big fan of both Android and iOS and find very little difference in how useful each OS is to me. EDIT: fixed formatting and minor typo

nr2x 4y ago

2018

Nursie 4y ago

In 2018, in the USA.

lucius_verus 4y ago

It turns out that when your company doesn't make any products that serve the budget end of the market, the average income of your userbase skews higher than companies that do serve that part of the market. Who knew?

camhenlin 4y ago
That’s why the highest ranking phone under $500… is an iPhone? It honestly makes the most sense to buy the budget iPhone if you are on a budget. They’re supported much longer than other phones meaning not only are you not paying a whole lot up front, you’re also able to meaningfully use it much longer than competing android phones. *Just one source but still: https://www.theverge.com/21420196/best-budget-smartphone-cheap https://www.theverge.com/21420196/best-budget-smartphone-che...
- sofixa 4y ago
  According to some napkin math, those $500 are a bit less than half the monthly federal minimal wage for 40h weeks. In the US, one of the richest countries. So that's not really "budget".

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