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>Second, if you have no confidence in the execs or CEO of a company then why are you working at that company? Quit and find a company to work at that you believ

>Second, if you have no confidence in the execs or CEO of a company then why are you working at that company? Quit and find a company to work at that you believe in! This comment is really, really tone-deaf. People can believe strongly in the vision and mission of a company while also feeling strongly that upper leadership is steering it in the wrong direction and/or making decisions that negatively impact the company's mission.

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jjav 4y ago
Exactly. I remember when ponytail became the CEO at Sun. Most of Sun employees loved Sun to a level that hasn't been experienced anywhere else, while hating the new CEO.
- sgt 4y ago
  Interesting. When I learned about Ponytail (Jonathan Schwartz, possibly spelled incorrectly), I perceived him as the guy who would rescue Sun. I still remember his presentation of Looking Glass - it felt so modern. Little did I know...
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TrapLord_Rhodo 4y ago
It's wierd tho because it's not ENTIRELY tone-deaf. When i was reading it i would agree wholehearitly with some, and wince at others. If he would have left it at these two points and immeditaly called a company all hands: >First of all, if you want to do a vote of no confidence, you should do it on me and not blame the execs. Who do you think is running this company? I was a little offended not to be included :) > Our culture is to praise in public, and criticize in private. Posting this publicly is also deeply unethical because it harms your fellow co-workers, along with shareholders and customers.
- blueben 4y ago
  "Please don't make this public, because then the investors will find out and they'll come after me."
- slenk 4y ago
  Notice shareholders comes before customers
  - RickHull 4y ago
    Yes, Coinbase has a fiduciary duty to their shareholders that does not exist for customers.
    - gamblor956 4y ago
      No, Coinbase does not have a fiduciary duty to its shareholders that trumps its obligations to its customers. Or to put it this way: if Coinbase goes bankrupt, customers have priority for Coinbase's assets over its shareholders.
      - iudqnolq 4y ago
        Nope. > But wait, you bluster, the custodial agreement clearly says that I am the owner, that it’s my property, that I retain title to it. Yup, but that’s not how the law actually works. Just because they wrote that doesn’t mean it’s true. > In fact, the exchanges are lulling the consumers with language claiming that the consumer "owns" the coins, when in fact the legal treatment is quite likely to be different in bankruptcy. In bankruptcy, it is likely to be treated as a debtor-creditor relationship, not a custodial (bailment) relationship. > Not only are the customers likely mere creditors, but they are also likely general unsecured creditors, which means they will have to wait at the back of the line for repayment with everyone else. They will share on a pro rata basis whatever assets are leftover (if any) after the secured creditors and the priority creditors (including the expenses of running the bankruptcy) get paid, and any payment might not be for quite a while. That’s not a happy to place to be. Recoveries could be pennies on the dollar. https://www.creditslips.org/creditslips/2022/02/what-happens-if-a-cryptocurrency-exchange-files-for-bankruptcy.html https://www.creditslips.org/creditslips/2022/02/what-happens...
Aeolun 4y ago
> People can believe strongly in the vision and mission of a company while also feeling strongly that upper leadership is steering it in the wrong direction Clearly that is the case here. CEO really comes off as if he’s living in a fantasy world here. Which isn’t surprising given he started a crypto company.
- aeternum 4y ago
  This might be true if Coinbase had a super unique vision and mission. However there are now plenty of other crypto companies to join however.
  - theklr 4y ago
    but are they as stable as Coinbase and still hiring? For the most part Crypto/web 3 is in a hiring tundra outside of SecOps.
runamok 4y ago
Yeap. This is the usual response when you criticize the US. "Then move to Canada, Europe, etc."
matthewowen 4y ago
Probably gonna get blacklisted by someone for this, but it’s astonishing to me that people can (with a straight face) say this at one moment then at another claim there’s no reason software engineers should ever unionize since they get paid well.
vproman 4y ago
Doesn’t this go both ways? If executives no longer believe in their employees, the executives can leave?
the_biot 4y ago
That argument really falls flat when you realize that this guy is the co-founder and CEO, i.e. he was already there and in charge when these people decided to join him. If you don't like a company's leadership, obviously don't go work there. If you do, then decide you don't like them, obviously you quit. A 5-year old could understand that. Though it's beyond the anarchist collective on HN, apparently.
- lanstin 4y ago
  When you have poured your life energy out creating technology for a business you believe in and find to be a force for good, it is hard when business people come in and systematically uproot all the good. Yes, one must leave, but one leaves behind a lot of good work.
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- Shayne3000 4y ago
  It doesn't fall flat. Brian is ostensibly taking no accountability here.

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jjav 4y ago

Exactly. I remember when ponytail became the CEO at Sun. Most of Sun employees loved Sun to a level that hasn't been experienced anywhere else, while hating the new CEO.

sgt 4y ago
Interesting. When I learned about Ponytail (Jonathan Schwartz, possibly spelled incorrectly), I perceived him as the guy who would rescue Sun. I still remember his presentation of Looking Glass - it felt so modern. Little did I know...

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TrapLord_Rhodo 4y ago

It's wierd tho because it's not ENTIRELY tone-deaf. When i was reading it i would agree wholehearitly with some, and wince at others. If he would have left it at these two points and immeditaly called a company all hands: >First of all, if you want to do a vote of no confidence, you should do it on me and not blame the execs. Who do you think is running this company? I was a little offended not to be included :) > Our culture is to praise in public, and criticize in private. Posting this publicly is also deeply unethical because it harms your fellow co-workers, along with shareholders and customers.

blueben 4y ago
"Please don't make this public, because then the investors will find out and they'll come after me."
slenk 4y ago
Notice shareholders comes before customers
- RickHull 4y ago
  Yes, Coinbase has a fiduciary duty to their shareholders that does not exist for customers.
  - gamblor956 4y ago
    No, Coinbase does not have a fiduciary duty to its shareholders that trumps its obligations to its customers. Or to put it this way: if Coinbase goes bankrupt, customers have priority for Coinbase's assets over its shareholders.
    - iudqnolq 4y ago
      Nope. > But wait, you bluster, the custodial agreement clearly says that I am the owner, that it’s my property, that I retain title to it. Yup, but that’s not how the law actually works. Just because they wrote that doesn’t mean it’s true. > In fact, the exchanges are lulling the consumers with language claiming that the consumer "owns" the coins, when in fact the legal treatment is quite likely to be different in bankruptcy. In bankruptcy, it is likely to be treated as a debtor-creditor relationship, not a custodial (bailment) relationship. > Not only are the customers likely mere creditors, but they are also likely general unsecured creditors, which means they will have to wait at the back of the line for repayment with everyone else. They will share on a pro rata basis whatever assets are leftover (if any) after the secured creditors and the priority creditors (including the expenses of running the bankruptcy) get paid, and any payment might not be for quite a while. That’s not a happy to place to be. Recoveries could be pennies on the dollar. https://www.creditslips.org/creditslips/2022/02/what-happens-if-a-cryptocurrency-exchange-files-for-bankruptcy.html https://www.creditslips.org/creditslips/2022/02/what-happens...

Aeolun 4y ago

> People can believe strongly in the vision and mission of a company while also feeling strongly that upper leadership is steering it in the wrong direction Clearly that is the case here. CEO really comes off as if he’s living in a fantasy world here. Which isn’t surprising given he started a crypto company.

aeternum 4y ago
This might be true if Coinbase had a super unique vision and mission. However there are now plenty of other crypto companies to join however.
- theklr 4y ago
  but are they as stable as Coinbase and still hiring? For the most part Crypto/web 3 is in a hiring tundra outside of SecOps.

runamok 4y ago

Yeap. This is the usual response when you criticize the US. "Then move to Canada, Europe, etc."

matthewowen 4y ago

Probably gonna get blacklisted by someone for this, but it’s astonishing to me that people can (with a straight face) say this at one moment then at another claim there’s no reason software engineers should ever unionize since they get paid well.

vproman 4y ago

Doesn’t this go both ways? If executives no longer believe in their employees, the executives can leave?

the_biot 4y ago

That argument really falls flat when you realize that this guy is the co-founder and CEO, i.e. he was already there and in charge when these people decided to join him. If you don't like a company's leadership, obviously don't go work there. If you do, then decide you don't like them, obviously you quit. A 5-year old could understand that. Though it's beyond the anarchist collective on HN, apparently.

lanstin 4y ago
When you have poured your life energy out creating technology for a business you believe in and find to be a force for good, it is hard when business people come in and systematically uproot all the good. Yes, one must leave, but one leaves behind a lot of good work.
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Shayne3000 4y ago
It doesn't fall flat. Brian is ostensibly taking no accountability here.