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Considering how poorly run San Francisco and much of CA has been they should vote out everyone "progressive".

by txsoftwaredev 4y ago

m0llusk 4y ago
How do you think San Francisco should be run?
- lern_too_spel 4y ago
  Apparently, they want more Prop 13 in more places.
- throwaway0a5e 4y ago
  > How do you think San Francisco should be run? By people who don't just ignore several thousand years of how various "not too dysfunctional" societies ran themselves for a few quick ideological virtue points. Much of the shitting on "progressivism" is misguided. There's just as much progressivism and liberal ideology on the other coast and they don't have the same dysfunctionality and failings to nearly the same extents. These kinds of clowns are everywhere but at the end of the day it's the California public who is responsible for electing them and tolerating their poor job performance.
strikelaserclaw 4y ago
we need to get rid of the two party system.
- adastra22 4y ago
  We have, in San Francisco. There’s only one party here.
- hn_version_0023 4y ago
  Or, counterpoint: we need to get rid of the wealthy who pervert the system.
- DrewRWx 4y ago
  To get the ball rolling, join or (or start) a push for ranked-choice voting in your city!
- smsm42 4y ago
  In California, excepting some rare corners, there's only one party. California has a lot of Republicans, in numbers, but they don't have any power in any major city, let alone on the state level. So your idea has already been implemented.
gcheong 4y ago
Being too “progressive” hasn’t been the problem. Politicians claiming to be be progressive then pandering to corporate interests has.
- seanmcdirmid 4y ago
  Applying what we could call progressive ideas without thinking them through is a problem. IMHO we should vote for smarter politicians who don't have ideological baggage limiting their decision making. > Politicians claiming to be be progressive then pandering to corporate interests has. That doesn't have much to do with SF's problems as far as I can tell. Quite the opposite actually.
  - gcheong 4y ago
    All politics is ideological but to blame a single progressive DA for the entirety of the current crime problem in SF without realizing that much of what is happening today is more likely the result of past decisions than one guy actually doing what he said he would do to me is just ridiculous but if you feel that way then convince me in the next election with whatever platform you run on, not telling me I should recall someone so you can just put in your preferred puppet without having to say what you’ll actually do and how it would be better.
    - seanmcdirmid 4y ago
      > All politics is ideological but to blame a single progressive DA for the entirety of the current crime problem Isn't that a straw man though? No one reasonable is saying that this DA is responsible for the entirety of the crime problem, and of course this uptick in crime is a nationwide problem! However, the DA isn't doing enough to make things better, and putting people in jail who are committing crimes repeatedly because they've realized there are no consequences for their actions is probably the smarter thing to do ATM. So let's instead elect a DA that will do that (like we did here in Seattle, it won't solve the problem...but it is a start).
      - 4y ago
bdcravens 4y ago
I'm guessing you live in Texas (as do I), not San Francisco or California, and this is an expression of the "Everything in California is terrible" meme that's popular here.
- throwntoday 4y ago
  Well I live in SF and I can tell you for certain it is as bad as everyone says
  - mint2 4y ago
    As another resident, I can vouch there are serious issue but the DA is largely being successfully scapegoated by the troubled police department. Pretty much all the reasons the police cite for their chronic issues and ineffectiveness are utter BS but they seem to have successfully shifted all the blame onto the DA. With the serious police dept issues, pandemic, national trends, and lopsided analysis it’s hard to say how much role the da has had but it’s easy to tell it’s nowhere even close to what most attribute. I think the recall will succeed and the supporters will find nothing changes because he wasn’t the issue.
    - acoard 4y ago
      Can you provide some more details about the types of issues the PD has shifted onto the DA? As an outsider, the only real issue I'm aware of is the refusal to prosecute theft under $1k (edit: $950), which seems like something that is completely out of the police's hands.
      - adastra22 4y ago
        Example: the DA won’t prosecute theft under $950, as you say. So the police will literally stand across the street and watch a street vendor get robbed and do nothing. Just because the DA will refuse to press charges doesn’t mean they couldn’t have still arrested the guy for the night and returned the property, not to mention intervening in a potentially dangerous situation for the shop owner and customers.
bergenty 4y ago
deeg 4y ago
As an American who doesn't live in Texas or CA it doesn't look like Texas is being run any better.
- linksnapzz 4y ago
- nradov 4y ago
- spoils19 4y ago
  Have any examples? It may not be perfect, but that's the price for being the most free state in the world.
  - deeg 4y ago
    Uvalde is currently at the top of that list and the power problems from last winter. And while I know it's largely dependent on one's political leaning, the Texas laws against books, abortion, immorality (e.g. sex toys), and LBGT issues, among others, don't speak "most free" to me. I'm sure someone will counter with "but in California..." and the objections will all be true, which is why I stand by my original opinion: neither one is obviously better run than the other.
    - txsoftwaredev 4y ago
      It's clear that TX has been run better than CA. Many large corporations have left CA for TX. Crime in CA is significantly worse and you are not allowed to protect your life or property. You are free to steal and no one does a thing about it, plenty of examples in the news of this happening in the middle of the day. You have celebrities saying "no big deal" about getting your car broken into, just part of life in CA. Look at all the businesses shutting down, Wallgreens for example. TX isn't covered in homeless camps, drugs and feces. TX's economy is strong and will remain strong due to a business friendly environment. Housing is more affordable (though less than it used to be in metro areas) in part due to less regulations. And the items you point to as negatives are positives for me. I'm against abortion, sexualizing children (including books). Not sure what you mean by "sex toys". Plenty of those shops around if you are in need of some. And I've visited CA a few times and have seen it first hand. It's not a place I'd want to take my family for vacation, let alone live. I wish that wasn't true, weather is wonderful.

Considering how poorly run San Francisco and much of CA has been they should vote out everyone "progressive".

m0llusk 4y ago

How do you think San Francisco should be run?

lern_too_spel 4y ago
Apparently, they want more Prop 13 in more places.
throwaway0a5e 4y ago
> How do you think San Francisco should be run? By people who don't just ignore several thousand years of how various "not too dysfunctional" societies ran themselves for a few quick ideological virtue points. Much of the shitting on "progressivism" is misguided. There's just as much progressivism and liberal ideology on the other coast and they don't have the same dysfunctionality and failings to nearly the same extents. These kinds of clowns are everywhere but at the end of the day it's the California public who is responsible for electing them and tolerating their poor job performance.

strikelaserclaw 4y ago

we need to get rid of the two party system.

adastra22 4y ago
We have, in San Francisco. There’s only one party here.
hn_version_0023 4y ago
Or, counterpoint: we need to get rid of the wealthy who pervert the system.
DrewRWx 4y ago
To get the ball rolling, join or (or start) a push for ranked-choice voting in your city!
smsm42 4y ago
In California, excepting some rare corners, there's only one party. California has a lot of Republicans, in numbers, but they don't have any power in any major city, let alone on the state level. So your idea has already been implemented.

gcheong 4y ago

Being too “progressive” hasn’t been the problem. Politicians claiming to be be progressive then pandering to corporate interests has.

seanmcdirmid 4y ago
Applying what we could call progressive ideas without thinking them through is a problem. IMHO we should vote for smarter politicians who don't have ideological baggage limiting their decision making. > Politicians claiming to be be progressive then pandering to corporate interests has. That doesn't have much to do with SF's problems as far as I can tell. Quite the opposite actually.
- gcheong 4y ago
  All politics is ideological but to blame a single progressive DA for the entirety of the current crime problem in SF without realizing that much of what is happening today is more likely the result of past decisions than one guy actually doing what he said he would do to me is just ridiculous but if you feel that way then convince me in the next election with whatever platform you run on, not telling me I should recall someone so you can just put in your preferred puppet without having to say what you’ll actually do and how it would be better.
  - seanmcdirmid 4y ago
    > All politics is ideological but to blame a single progressive DA for the entirety of the current crime problem Isn't that a straw man though? No one reasonable is saying that this DA is responsible for the entirety of the crime problem, and of course this uptick in crime is a nationwide problem! However, the DA isn't doing enough to make things better, and putting people in jail who are committing crimes repeatedly because they've realized there are no consequences for their actions is probably the smarter thing to do ATM. So let's instead elect a DA that will do that (like we did here in Seattle, it won't solve the problem...but it is a start).
    - 4y ago

bdcravens 4y ago

I'm guessing you live in Texas (as do I), not San Francisco or California, and this is an expression of the "Everything in California is terrible" meme that's popular here.

throwntoday 4y ago
Well I live in SF and I can tell you for certain it is as bad as everyone says
- mint2 4y ago
  As another resident, I can vouch there are serious issue but the DA is largely being successfully scapegoated by the troubled police department. Pretty much all the reasons the police cite for their chronic issues and ineffectiveness are utter BS but they seem to have successfully shifted all the blame onto the DA. With the serious police dept issues, pandemic, national trends, and lopsided analysis it’s hard to say how much role the da has had but it’s easy to tell it’s nowhere even close to what most attribute. I think the recall will succeed and the supporters will find nothing changes because he wasn’t the issue.
  - acoard 4y ago
    Can you provide some more details about the types of issues the PD has shifted onto the DA? As an outsider, the only real issue I'm aware of is the refusal to prosecute theft under $1k (edit: $950), which seems like something that is completely out of the police's hands.
    - adastra22 4y ago
      Example: the DA won’t prosecute theft under $950, as you say. So the police will literally stand across the street and watch a street vendor get robbed and do nothing. Just because the DA will refuse to press charges doesn’t mean they couldn’t have still arrested the guy for the night and returned the property, not to mention intervening in a potentially dangerous situation for the shop owner and customers.

bergenty 4y ago

deeg 4y ago

As an American who doesn't live in Texas or CA it doesn't look like Texas is being run any better.

linksnapzz 4y ago
nradov 4y ago
spoils19 4y ago
Have any examples? It may not be perfect, but that's the price for being the most free state in the world.
- deeg 4y ago
  Uvalde is currently at the top of that list and the power problems from last winter. And while I know it's largely dependent on one's political leaning, the Texas laws against books, abortion, immorality (e.g. sex toys), and LBGT issues, among others, don't speak "most free" to me. I'm sure someone will counter with "but in California..." and the objections will all be true, which is why I stand by my original opinion: neither one is obviously better run than the other.
  - txsoftwaredev 4y ago
    It's clear that TX has been run better than CA. Many large corporations have left CA for TX. Crime in CA is significantly worse and you are not allowed to protect your life or property. You are free to steal and no one does a thing about it, plenty of examples in the news of this happening in the middle of the day. You have celebrities saying "no big deal" about getting your car broken into, just part of life in CA. Look at all the businesses shutting down, Wallgreens for example. TX isn't covered in homeless camps, drugs and feces. TX's economy is strong and will remain strong due to a business friendly environment. Housing is more affordable (though less than it used to be in metro areas) in part due to less regulations. And the items you point to as negatives are positives for me. I'm against abortion, sexualizing children (including books). Not sure what you mean by "sex toys". Plenty of those shops around if you are in need of some. And I've visited CA a few times and have seen it first hand. It's not a place I'd want to take my family for vacation, let alone live. I wish that wasn't true, weather is wonderful.