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>MMOs are kinda dying They should. MMO is an expired genre. It's a relic of the advent of broadband, when playing with tons of other players in a graphical ga

>MMOs are kinda dying They should. MMO is an expired genre. It's a relic of the advent of broadband, when playing with tons of other players in a graphical game became possible for the first time. That was novel and amazing, even if it meant deep compromises in gameplay and graphics. Now, though, that's no longer novel, and those compromises don't make sense. And the incentives are awful to boot; a company has to run beefy servers, which means it's pressured to find ways to extract ever more money from the players, leading to stuff like pay-to-win. Although some people think they can be saved, particularly if they're sandboxes instead of theme parks: https://youtu.be/nvK8fua6O64 https://youtu.be/nvK8fua6O64

Dylan16807 4y ago
> And the incentives are awful to boot; a company has to run beefy servers, which means it's pressured to find ways to extract ever more money from the players, leading to stuff like pay-to-win. They have to run servers that would have been beefy decades ago. These days I could go rent a server for $5/core/month, and as a lowball handle 100 concurrent users per core. And based on some searches, if 10% of players can log in simultaneously that's much more than enough. So that comes out to $60 a year per 1000 subscribers. I don't see how server costs could be a problem for a game that has any income. You could ask for $5 a year to play and server costs would completely disappear. No need to do any harsh money extraction at all for server costs.
- Dylan16807 4y ago
  Okay, why the silent downvotes? Do people really think my cost estimates are more than a hundredfold too low? Because you'd have to go more than 100x my estimate before the server costs themselves are significant amounts of money and pressure the company into anti-consumer extraction. Please, explain the reasoning. What kind of MMO needs that much server infrastructure?

Dylan16807 4y ago

> And the incentives are awful to boot; a company has to run beefy servers, which means it's pressured to find ways to extract ever more money from the players, leading to stuff like pay-to-win. They have to run servers that would have been beefy decades ago. These days I could go rent a server for $5/core/month, and as a lowball handle 100 concurrent users per core. And based on some searches, if 10% of players can log in simultaneously that's much more than enough. So that comes out to $60 a year per 1000 subscribers. I don't see how server costs could be a problem for a game that has any income. You could ask for $5 a year to play and server costs would completely disappear. No need to do any harsh money extraction at all for server costs.

Dylan16807 4y ago
Okay, why the silent downvotes? Do people really think my cost estimates are more than a hundredfold too low? Because you'd have to go more than 100x my estimate before the server costs themselves are significant amounts of money and pressure the company into anti-consumer extraction. Please, explain the reasoning. What kind of MMO needs that much server infrastructure?