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It really has been hard explaining to fellow parents that their unvaccinated kids are still way lower risk than they are with their vaccines. Edit: Leaving the
by taeric 4y ago
It really has been hard explaining to fellow parents that their unvaccinated kids are still way lower risk than they are with their vaccines.
Edit: Leaving the original wording, but the "they are with the vaccines" is referring to the parents. Not the kids. I agree that vaccinated people are better off than unvaccinated, other items equal.
- Broken_Hippo 4y agoEdit: I have misread the comment. The poster and I agree fully. (Original comment follows) This is just false. The risk of vaccines is lesser than the risk from the diseases they prevent.
- _Microft 4y agoI had to re-read GPs comment several times but I think they want to say that even unvaccinated kids are at lower risk than vaccinated adults.
- christophilus 4y agoHe’s saying, that unvaccinated kids are at a lower risk for serious COVID than is a vaccinated adult. It’s true as far as I can tell. So far, COVID has proved to be quite low on the list of things that kill kids. The ratio of fear to danger is / was way out of whack vs other things on that list.
- HarryHirsch 4y agoCOVID has proved to be quite low on the list of things that kill kids The leading causes of child mortality are accidents, homicide, suicide, cancer and congenital diseases. Children are not supposed to die, we are trying to control these factors, they won't let you take your newborn home from the hospital unless you show them car seat. There is law enforcement, counseling for parents and children, genetic counseling and all that. But when it comes to COVID we are told not to worry, the risk is low. It doesn't make sense.
- nradov 4y agoThe risk to children from COVID-19 is much lower than most of those other things you listed. It's basically just a cold for children who don't have serious co-morbid conditions.
- IdEntities 4y agoThe risks to children from the action necessary to prevent Covid infection -- namely, social isolation -- are well understood and far higher than their risks from COVID itself. Vaccines and masks are being mentioned a lot in this thread but neither are very effective at all in preventing infection.
- taeric 4y agoApologies on the easy to misinterpret post. The "they" at the end was the parents, not the kids.
- Broken_Hippo 4y agoThanks :) Sorry about the mixup there.
- nvahalik 4y ago
- dredmorbius 4y agoYour comment still remains unclear. My interpretation, with major changes in (parentheses): "It has been hard (for me) to explain to fellow parents that (the parents') unvaccinated children have a much lower Covid infection and consequence risk than (the parents themselves) do from any Covid vaccine." Unstated: that the parents' risks of a Covid infection and long-Covid consequences are also much higher, with infection via their children being a highly likely route. TL;DR: Vax, boost, mask in public.
- taeric 4y agoI did not mean any risk from the vaccine. I was only talking about the risks with the vaccine. If that makes sense. I am in no way arguing against vaccinations and booster shots. Do that. If you are sick, please stay home. Don't refuse to go to the park with your toddler because they aren't vaccinated yet.
- dredmorbius 4y agoAgain: that's not what I get from your first comment to this thread, even as edited. Clear communications is difficult. All the more so on complex, sensitive, or controversial topics. I fail often enough myself.
- jhugo 4y agoIt made sense to me, but I chose the interpretation that was obviously true (kids are at very low risk from covid, adult vaccination doesn't prevent infection very successfully) rather than choosing the interpretation that was controversial.
- taeric 4y agoFor that, I can only apologize. Completely agreed that clear communication is difficult.
- dredmorbius 4y agoFair enough. It's something I work on.
- pronlover723 4y agoEvery kid I know that caught COVID brought it back and gave it to the entire family. Mom, Dad, Grandma, etc.... It doesn't matter that the kids are ok. It matters that they spread it
- taeric 4y agoIrrelevant when the parents are doing what they can to reduce the risk for their kid. As soon as you are willing to let them go to school, you have increased the risk to them more than getting them vaccinated will reduce it.
- pbhjpbhj 4y agoAre you trying to suggest people should not vaccinate because school is a higher risk to health than vaccination is a reduction of risk to health? Maybe life is not only about survival but the upside to school is on balance worth the added risk, but not vaccinating is not worth the added risk (complications from vaccination are pretty small -- though I certainly don't advocate vaccination without any consideration of the risks).
- taeric 4y agoEmphatically no. Get vaccinated. Take boosters if you have them available. I'm more just weary of the doom and gloom about my 5 year old not being vaccinated yet.
- hezralig 4y agoHey you might want to take a look at the latest research. I thought COVID had the same risk profile as the flu for children until I started digging into the stats a bit more. What I am finding is that these latest variants are more contagious, even controlling for less social distancing and masking. We have this sense that COVID isn't as deadly towards kids because they honestly had not been spreading it as much as we feared until fairly recently. https://insidemedicine.bulletin.com/delta-and-omicron-killed-far-more-children-than-flu-ever-does https://insidemedicine.bulletin.com/delta-and-omicron-killed...