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Expert: Monkeypox likely spread by sex at 2 raves in Europe
- gumby 4y agoBogus headline. It's not known to be spreadable by sex specifically, but rather merely through propinquity. Thus obviously a rave is by itself inherently highly likely to be spreading event.
- wsc981 4y agoFrom what I read, from all the people that have been affected by monkeypox, a significant amount is gay or bisexual men. From what I understand monkeypox can transmit through holes in the skin. As such, perhaps the disease can spread easily through unprotected anal sex.
- croes 4y agoIn transmits through close contact, so it's more likely that the rave is the reason and not that's a gay rave
- ummonk 4y agoA rave without significant mucosal contact (e.g. people going around french kissing with each other) is unlikely to be a superspreader location for monkeypox.
- 0xy 4y agoHave you ever been to a rave?
- ummonk 4y agoYou tell me: what do you reckon is the average number of people that each participant at a rave exchanges mucous with?
- FooBarBizBazz 4y agoSee Fargoan's post, with the event website. This ain't just kids with glowsticks.
- ummonk 4y agoYeah that's my point. A normal rave is unlikely to be a superspreader event. A bathhouse orgy on the other hand is different.
- motogpjimbo 4y agoHave you got a theory for why the straight people at the rave came away without Monkeypox but the gay and bisexual men did?
- Fargoan 4y agohttps://www.advocate.com/news/2022/5/23/monkeypox-outbreak-linked-gay-sauna-and-festival https://www.advocate.com/news/2022/5/23/monkeypox-outbreak-l...
- Iwan-Zotow 4y agoAnxiously awaiting wombat gonorrhea...
- Fargoan 4y agoKoala chlamydia is real
- Iwan-Zotow 4y agoFirst one, then the other...
- Animats 4y ago"most of the known cases in Europe have been among men who have sex with men" Here we go again.
- BigBubbleButt 4y agoIs that not an objective statement? I'm aware of the controversy, but that doesn't mean we should ignore facts.
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- robonerd 4y agoI think you read more than he said. I'm not sure what Animats meant, but I don't think he said whatever you're responding to.
- chrismckleroy 4y agoCould it be in reference to the AIDS epidemic, with quotes such as this classifying the early days of that?
- mmmpop 4y agoI don't think he said anything that merits more than a "what do you mean?" in response. So I ask this person too, "what do you mean?"
- jliptzin 4y agoThe problem with that messaging is it’s hard to take back. Even in 2022, I have straight friends who regularly have unprotected sex with random women and don’t think HIV applies to them because they’re not gay.
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- notRobot 4y agoFor those without context, there's a nice explainer on Monkeypox linked in the first paragraph: https://apnews.com/article/monkeypox-what-to-know-d62250e909202943247552815dadb1de https://apnews.com/article/monkeypox-what-to-know-d62250e909... Explains what Monkeypox is, what the seriousness is, and how long it takes to recover. Most people recover in around a month without needed hospitalisation.
- jliptzin 4y ago“Monkeypox can be fatal for up to one in 10 people and is thought to be more severe in children.” That is WAY more fatal than COVID
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- croes 4y agoViruses trade nothing, it's not a decision but just the result of evolution.
- chitowneats 4y agoI fail to understand why people feel the need to make pedantic comments like this. Of course the virus isn't trading, but there is an evolutionary tradeoff
- endisneigh 4y agoWithout knowing anything about how gay men have sex (I assume anal), is it somehow more likely for gay men to get these sorts of things? Would a condom help, or nah? Surely if a man and a women had anal sex it would be the same? Is it that anal sex isn't as likely between men and women and therefore the risk is lower?
- tehcheat418 4y agoI would would think it’s likely just easily sexually transmitted, and any community with a hookup culture would be vulnerable?
- tomatowurst 4y agoI believe this comes from close contact via air droplets for pro-longed period. Not sure what the sex angle is here since its the air droplets becoming airborne but requiring close proximity. my concern is then, is there a chance for this to become mutated and transmit? Say in a night club, stadium and concerts?
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- scythe 4y agoA complete graph on N vertices has (N^2 - N)/2 edges. A complete bipartite graph on N vertices has <= N^2/4 edges. There are just more sexual interactions possible among non-heterosexuals, and men who have sex with men have more (relatively) dedicated social gatherings than women who have sex with women. The number of people who congregate in a particular event is generally unaffected by population and instead determined by the size of the venue. Anal sex is a risk factor for certain diseases, particularly HIV, but monkeypox does not require genital contact (or significant fluid transfer) for spread, so it's not clear if condoms would make much of a difference in this case.
- eurasiantiger 4y agoThis is one of the more ridiculous comments in this post.
- tomatowurst 4y agoWhat is really curious is this: The name monkeypox originates from the initial discovery of the virus in monkeys in a Danish laboratory in 1958. The first human case was identified in a child in the Democratic Republic of the Congo in 1970 Are there known interactions with locals and monkeys? Are they consumed? edit: so there is consumption monkey meat is common in bush meat stalls in the Democratic Republic of the Congo and Central Africa in general, with red-tailed and crowned guenons, baboons and agile mangabeys being the most common
- ummonk 4y agoHumans don’t get it from monkeys - we get it from other mammals such as rodents. Monkeys are just the first species in which the disease was noticed and identified.
- XorNot 4y agoIt's like when COVID strains were called things like "the UK variant" - it conveys no meaning about true origin. Monkeys can get monkeypox, which means they're not the reservoir animal. So presuming human-monkey is how the jump happened is starting off down the wrong path.
- jdminhbg 4y ago> Monkeys can get monkeypox, which means they're not the reservoir animal. I agree with the rest of your comment, but is this part actually true? I would think an animal could serve as a reservoir as long as the disease isn't deadly. But I don't know and I'm happy to be corrected if wrong.
- XorNot 4y agoThe short version is no: if you get symptoms and recover, then the immune system has cleared it, so you can't be a carrier. The obvious counter-example is herpes - where you periodically get symptoms and become infectious, but otherwise are not. In the case of monkeypox though, as far as is currently known they are not major carriers of the disease - the name is just the animal it was first isolated in, since numerous other animals can be infected. [1] [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monkeypox#Reservoir https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monkeypox#Reservoir
- jazzythom 4y agoSo many questions and yet I don’t know if I want the answers
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- droopyEyelids 4y agoIf you're serious, any bathhouse will afford you the opportunity for unlimited anonymous sex, set to wonderful techno beats. Otherwise, Hacker News has a 'try not to post jokes' thing in the rules.
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- vmception 4y agoOkay, so incubation period?
- Throwawayaerlei 4y agoPer the Merck Manual and other sources, as long as 10 days. Prodromal, "denoting the period between the appearance of initial symptoms and the full development of a rash or fever" I recently came across a claim it's up to 20 days. In a couple of reports I read yesterday of ex-Nigeria West African clade cases, which appears to be the same source and variant family for this Western outbreak, three cases started with pustules in the groin area before they gained a lot more coverage. From memory at least two of those cases were associated with handling rodents which are thought to be the animal reservoir for the disease.
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- moistly 4y agoBug chasers? Traditionally descriptive of people who seek out HIV-positive partners. There is no reason for such thrill-seekers to limit themselves to only one dangerous disease.
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- Fargoan 4y agoThis is fake news. The only place I see the real story is from The Advocate https://www.advocate.com/news/2022/5/23/monkeypox-outbreak-linked-gay-sauna-and-festival https://www.advocate.com/news/2022/5/23/monkeypox-outbreak-l...
- Fargoan 4y agoYeah, so I looked up these "raves" and that's 100% fake news. This is not a rave https://darklands.be/horse-fair/ https://darklands.be/horse-fair/