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Should We Celebrate Acquisitions?

72 points by sirodoht 4y ago

izzydata 4y ago
I don't care at all about corporations or what they spend money on. No corporation exists to make the world a better place. If that happens it is just a side effect of them filling some market. It feels weird for anyone to be a fan of a company at all.
- deleted 4y ago
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- autoexec 4y ago
  > It feels weird for anyone to be a fan of a company at all. Some companies routinely put out products people find immensely useful or enjoyable at fair prices. They might put out products far superior to anything else currently available or invest in artistic works that few other companies are willing to take risks on becoming a godsend to an under-served market. Things like marketing and nostalgia play a role too, but when a company keeps bringing good things into people's lives it's only natural for them to build up some good will. The trouble is that companies are always changing (along with their goals and ideals) and eventually somebody will take over or get greedy enough and they'll ruin a good thing. If a company is doing great things by all means, be a fan of their work and give them your support to encourage more of the same, just don't expect it to last forever.
- lexapro 4y ago
  Don't you think "filling some market" makes the world a better place (in most cases)? Without companies there would be no products, services, food, ...
3qz 4y ago
no
ISL 4y ago
Some celebrations are acknowledgements of irreversible change.
anonymouse008 4y ago
This style of blogging is most beautiful. An observation accompanied by a why. There’s much to note about a potential ‘thesis’ this author could have penned, but instead left us to fill in the gaps. We need more content like this. To answer the call, I’d agree, it is perplexing that we celebrate the acquisition when often times the event leads to an undesired change to the underlining product or service. In finance, it was traditionally taught that mergers/acquisitions are rarely successful in a managerial and cultural sense… so the lesson that it does end up being net negative to the organizations does seem consistent across domains. It may be interesting to look at different types of acquisitions as well, maybe those without venture funding and those with, to see if there is a ‘quality’ that differs the two
stormbrew 4y ago
Companies and their products aren't sports teams. They don't provide only an intangible sense of belonging and competitiveness. We build our lives on the things they produce (whether small or large), and we are systematically pushed into doing so. So no, a company being acquired is not something you should feel an obligation to celebrate unless you're invested. It almost always means a re-alignment of priorities, if nothing else, that will shift their product away from why you use it in the first place.
polote 4y ago
Maybe not the the acquisition itself but for what it represents. If someone is willing to pay to acquire something that your built it is usually a proof that what you built is useful.
version_five 4y ago
Companies that get an "exit" are mostly designed to do that, including literally every VC funded company. If you're working at a startup, you probably know if it's one that is being built with the goal of an exit. So, like it or not, if this is what your company is for, it's a win (barring a liquidation or aquihire) so it should be celebrated. Rarely is it the end of an era, it's literally a destiny.
- judge2020 4y ago
  I mean, there are some that become their own enterprise. I'm sure Elastic would've loved an Amazon exit in 2014 for $1B or so, but now they've got their own acquisitions and ticker NYSE:ESTC, so the VCs got their 'exit' without the company dissolving into another.
  - 1270018080 4y ago
    Does an IPO not count as an exit anymore?
    - VGltZUNvbnN1 4y ago
      If the founders still have controlling power is it really an exit? Is facebook not Zuckerbergs company anymore?
      - Cymrukicks 4y ago
        Its and exit but not for the founders for the investors. Thats the goal of everyone putting money in and the term has because bastardised.
- leaflets2 4y ago
  > should be celebrated If you have stocks yes. Maybe not necessarily, though, if you're their customer? See the recent Heroku threads for example
ferdowsi 4y ago
I think that there's something to be said about how a successful business that grows outside of the Bay Area hegemony can be an important source of community growth, and an acquisition can dramatically undercut that. It's great there is a one-time cashout but something important is lost in the process.
cosmiccatnap 4y ago
I will answer your question with another question. Have you heard of Oracle?
alliao 4y ago
Betteridge's law strikes again! acquisition is always about capital concentration and thus more efficient use of said capital, and rarely about whatever crack they sell to the underlings. When economy reaches certain scale the products are interchangeable and it's 90% in capital and finances. it doesn't matter whether you're selling fish or chips.
bloodyplonker22 4y ago
Every acquisition is different. To the layperson, every acquisition is a success and people think that almost everyone in the company is "set" after an acquisition. However, the reality is, in many acquisitions, nobody makes money -- not even the founders. A lot of times, the founders even lose their dignity. I had a classmate who had the highest of aspirations. He wanted to build a billion dollar company just like every other founder these days. His company was acqui-hired. He always took it as almost an insult when other "more successful" people in our circle congratulated him on his acqui-hire. In regards to the company being acquired by a larger company, the product sometimes heads in a very positive direction, and many times, the opposite happens as well. This post asks us to answer a question that is so broad that it makes no sense.
- charcircuit 4y ago
  >in many acquisitions, nobody makes money -- not even the founders So where does that money go? Paying off debts?
  - judge2020 4y ago
    Depending on how deep the funding is, a company might be majority owned by their VC firm investors, and if they give out too many board seats an overnight rugpull/takeover (via a majority board vote) is possible. There are other tactics, such as severely reducing the price of shares, typically $0.00000001 per, and issuing (hundreds of) billions of new shares so that the previous private stockholders end up with basically nothing.
    - car_analogy 4y ago
      Can you explain how this issuance of new shares works? Once someone has the power to do that (and I assume assign them to whomever they please), why wouldn't they? Doesn't such power fly in the face of a share representing ownership, if that ownership can be unilaterally diminished?
      - formerkrogemp 4y ago
seibelj 4y ago
If you want to build a company from scratch and run it like a community service, more power to you. When I bust my ass for a company I want to get rich, and I work for companies that are designed as such. No one stops anyone from making a non profit or working in academia.
- uuee 4y ago
ergonaught 4y ago
Recently, I have been trying to identify software I liked that was NOT ruined in some manner by its company's acquisition. I'm sure I'm forgetting successes somehow, but at this point it's a list containing one highly debatable item. So, for me, no.
- granshaw 4y ago
  GitHub?
  - TAForObvReasons 4y ago
    Many would say GitHub started going downhill when it raised VC money. Before the fundraise it was the poster child of bootstrapped and profitable companies
- libria 4y ago
  YouTube for me. It was ad-free in the beginning but it never would have survived that way for long. The current ad experience is palatable at least. And clients work well in all browsers/iPhone/Android/embedded.
  - Gigachad 4y ago
    They also give you the option to pay to remove advertising.
  - eyelidlessness 4y ago
    > And clients work well in all browsers For months I was wondering if they were intentionally boosting stats by playing videos after I scrolled them out of sight on my phone. I finally @‘ed them on Twitter and it got fixed a few days later. I don’t know if this anecdote is in their favor or not, but “works” is a pretty broad category and “works well” is really up to interpretation. I’m glad they fixed it, having random videos blast out loud at me with no intention of watching them was really upsetting! But as far as I know the previous behavior was “working” too.
- danielmarkbruce 4y ago
libria 4y ago
> Should we celebrate acquisitions? [...] everyone congratulates everyone else Are they? Postmark didn't mention anything about celebrating or congratulating. They did say they were "excited [...] Postmark will [...] become even better". And it took "nearly a year of soul searching and questioning" so it seems more introspective than the champagne popping party the blogger seems to have inferred. I think they're carrying more cynicism into this than is actually there. Unless you're naive, there's strong incentive by the parent company to ensure customers are placated so things are spun as a success for that reason. Is the blogger questioning the function of Public Relations/marketing? Because, it's a thing, ya know?
- gonehome 4y ago
  When slack was acquired by salesforce everyone (that I remember) on HN and Twitter were congratulating each other rather than recognizing it (imo) as a failure to compete and a mediocre outcome. Pair that with their full page ad they took out mocking Microsoft and teams (then slack sued because teams was crushing them) and it was even worse. If you’re going to copy apple’s marketing you probably should be just as good.
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dwg 4y ago
Case-by-case, standpoint-by-standpoint. Seems to me this isn’t something you would want to build a too simple philosophy around.
baron816 4y ago
If a company acquired another company to stifle competition, that’s usually bad. In every other case, it should be good. Many companies simply would never form if the opportunity to get acquired didn’t exist. Some are only able to reach scale by combining with a larger company, or with another product. And sometimes, an area of the market is oversaturated, and even reducing competition can be beneficial to consumers if it means a more sustainable outlook for firms, industries of scale, or clearer choices.
mathgladiator 4y ago
It depends on if the company commits to integration the company and customers rather than a simple shutdown or aquihire. Tf the customers still have service without too much interruption, then we should celebrate because a larger organization can amortize the operational cost and ensure the product can live much longer without relying on founder heroics.
yogini 4y ago
I think, even though the company gets acquired, the service to the customers never really ends. I take it more like a retirement, you proudly build something, you are happy about it, now you want to either slow down with your work, take a break or move on. I might be wrong in understanding this, but I think if they made it to the point where other companies could consider acquiring them, it should get celebrated :)
Parker_Powell 4y ago
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advael 4y ago
Obviously an acquisition is often profitable for someone or other, but for me to believe an acquisition to be a good thing in some broad sense requires convincing me that it’s worth the resulting additional concentration of power. I’m generally speaking against more concentration of power in almost every context, so it’s got quite a lot to prove
Nevermark 4y ago
Some acquisitions are for the underlying technology, not the product. Some acquisitions are for the team, not the product. Some acquisitions are of the brand, with product in a supportive 2nd place. Some acquisitions are for the customers, with product in a supportive 2nd place. Some acquisitions are for the product, but to be tuned for a different customer market, context, bundle of other products, etc. And some acquisitions are for the product as is, with intentions of improving the product on a trajectory compatible with existing customer use. But with greater resources put behind sales, marketing, development, polish, or other useful aspect. -- Only the last reason results in a pure win for existing customers. So from a customer perspective, or a product love perspective, most acquisitions are mixed bags at best. And potential product/service-cancellation disasters at worst.
LordGronk 4y ago
Personally, I would think there are two answers to this: a) the "we" in the question is exclusive, i.e, it only includes those that are part of the deal. In this case, I think "maybe". It brings to mind a perhaps slightly seemingly unrelated tale of how, prior to the current Paramount+ show, Halo was to be a film made by Niel Blomkamp, when that project was killed due to paramount's acquisition of the rights after years in development hell, a celebration was held by those rightfully glad to be free of shit management and the chance to move on. I have seen similar incidents in tech, but I don't want to elaborate. If the "we" is inclusive, than the answer is no, no one is even slightly obligated to celebrate other's business deals, society, as is, seems to demand we celebrate far too much already.
pketh 4y ago
> It’s been a while since I started viewing the process of building a company as providing a service. Not as in system service but as in community service. I love/share this view, I hope it catches on more broadly
mathattack 4y ago
As a buyer of software, we rarely celebrate M&A. Prices go up and support quality goes down. The only silver lining is if the original company was going under.
compsciphd 4y ago
I'd argue that most acquisitions are aqui-hires. Aqui-hires occur because the company failed in some way (unless it was designed to just be acquired, then I'd argue it was a terrible business to begin with and they were just betting on luck).

72 points by sirodoht 4y ago

I don't care at all about corporations or what they spend money on. No corporation exists to make the world a better place. If that happens it is just a side effect of them filling some market. It feels weird for anyone to be a fan of a company at all.

deleted 4y ago
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autoexec 4y ago
> It feels weird for anyone to be a fan of a company at all. Some companies routinely put out products people find immensely useful or enjoyable at fair prices. They might put out products far superior to anything else currently available or invest in artistic works that few other companies are willing to take risks on becoming a godsend to an under-served market. Things like marketing and nostalgia play a role too, but when a company keeps bringing good things into people's lives it's only natural for them to build up some good will. The trouble is that companies are always changing (along with their goals and ideals) and eventually somebody will take over or get greedy enough and they'll ruin a good thing. If a company is doing great things by all means, be a fan of their work and give them your support to encourage more of the same, just don't expect it to last forever.
lexapro 4y ago
Don't you think "filling some market" makes the world a better place (in most cases)? Without companies there would be no products, services, food, ...

3qz 4y ago

ISL 4y ago

Some celebrations are acknowledgements of irreversible change.

anonymouse008 4y ago

This style of blogging is most beautiful. An observation accompanied by a why. There’s much to note about a potential ‘thesis’ this author could have penned, but instead left us to fill in the gaps. We need more content like this. To answer the call, I’d agree, it is perplexing that we celebrate the acquisition when often times the event leads to an undesired change to the underlining product or service. In finance, it was traditionally taught that mergers/acquisitions are rarely successful in a managerial and cultural sense… so the lesson that it does end up being net negative to the organizations does seem consistent across domains. It may be interesting to look at different types of acquisitions as well, maybe those without venture funding and those with, to see if there is a ‘quality’ that differs the two

stormbrew 4y ago

Companies and their products aren't sports teams. They don't provide only an intangible sense of belonging and competitiveness. We build our lives on the things they produce (whether small or large), and we are systematically pushed into doing so. So no, a company being acquired is not something you should feel an obligation to celebrate unless you're invested. It almost always means a re-alignment of priorities, if nothing else, that will shift their product away from why you use it in the first place.

polote 4y ago

Maybe not the the acquisition itself but for what it represents. If someone is willing to pay to acquire something that your built it is usually a proof that what you built is useful.

version_five 4y ago

Companies that get an "exit" are mostly designed to do that, including literally every VC funded company. If you're working at a startup, you probably know if it's one that is being built with the goal of an exit. So, like it or not, if this is what your company is for, it's a win (barring a liquidation or aquihire) so it should be celebrated. Rarely is it the end of an era, it's literally a destiny.

judge2020 4y ago
I mean, there are some that become their own enterprise. I'm sure Elastic would've loved an Amazon exit in 2014 for $1B or so, but now they've got their own acquisitions and ticker NYSE:ESTC, so the VCs got their 'exit' without the company dissolving into another.
- 1270018080 4y ago
  Does an IPO not count as an exit anymore?
  - VGltZUNvbnN1 4y ago
    If the founders still have controlling power is it really an exit? Is facebook not Zuckerbergs company anymore?
    - Cymrukicks 4y ago
      Its and exit but not for the founders for the investors. Thats the goal of everyone putting money in and the term has because bastardised.
leaflets2 4y ago
> should be celebrated If you have stocks yes. Maybe not necessarily, though, if you're their customer? See the recent Heroku threads for example

ferdowsi 4y ago

I think that there's something to be said about how a successful business that grows outside of the Bay Area hegemony can be an important source of community growth, and an acquisition can dramatically undercut that. It's great there is a one-time cashout but something important is lost in the process.

cosmiccatnap 4y ago

I will answer your question with another question. Have you heard of Oracle?

alliao 4y ago

Betteridge's law strikes again! acquisition is always about capital concentration and thus more efficient use of said capital, and rarely about whatever crack they sell to the underlings. When economy reaches certain scale the products are interchangeable and it's 90% in capital and finances. it doesn't matter whether you're selling fish or chips.

bloodyplonker22 4y ago

Every acquisition is different. To the layperson, every acquisition is a success and people think that almost everyone in the company is "set" after an acquisition. However, the reality is, in many acquisitions, nobody makes money -- not even the founders. A lot of times, the founders even lose their dignity. I had a classmate who had the highest of aspirations. He wanted to build a billion dollar company just like every other founder these days. His company was acqui-hired. He always took it as almost an insult when other "more successful" people in our circle congratulated him on his acqui-hire. In regards to the company being acquired by a larger company, the product sometimes heads in a very positive direction, and many times, the opposite happens as well. This post asks us to answer a question that is so broad that it makes no sense.

charcircuit 4y ago
>in many acquisitions, nobody makes money -- not even the founders So where does that money go? Paying off debts?
- judge2020 4y ago
  Depending on how deep the funding is, a company might be majority owned by their VC firm investors, and if they give out too many board seats an overnight rugpull/takeover (via a majority board vote) is possible. There are other tactics, such as severely reducing the price of shares, typically $0.00000001 per, and issuing (hundreds of) billions of new shares so that the previous private stockholders end up with basically nothing.
  - car_analogy 4y ago
    Can you explain how this issuance of new shares works? Once someone has the power to do that (and I assume assign them to whomever they please), why wouldn't they? Doesn't such power fly in the face of a share representing ownership, if that ownership can be unilaterally diminished?
    - formerkrogemp 4y ago

seibelj 4y ago

If you want to build a company from scratch and run it like a community service, more power to you. When I bust my ass for a company I want to get rich, and I work for companies that are designed as such. No one stops anyone from making a non profit or working in academia.

uuee 4y ago

ergonaught 4y ago

Recently, I have been trying to identify software I liked that was NOT ruined in some manner by its company's acquisition. I'm sure I'm forgetting successes somehow, but at this point it's a list containing one highly debatable item. So, for me, no.

granshaw 4y ago
GitHub?
- TAForObvReasons 4y ago
  Many would say GitHub started going downhill when it raised VC money. Before the fundraise it was the poster child of bootstrapped and profitable companies
libria 4y ago
YouTube for me. It was ad-free in the beginning but it never would have survived that way for long. The current ad experience is palatable at least. And clients work well in all browsers/iPhone/Android/embedded.
- Gigachad 4y ago
  They also give you the option to pay to remove advertising.
- eyelidlessness 4y ago
  > And clients work well in all browsers For months I was wondering if they were intentionally boosting stats by playing videos after I scrolled them out of sight on my phone. I finally @‘ed them on Twitter and it got fixed a few days later. I don’t know if this anecdote is in their favor or not, but “works” is a pretty broad category and “works well” is really up to interpretation. I’m glad they fixed it, having random videos blast out loud at me with no intention of watching them was really upsetting! But as far as I know the previous behavior was “working” too.
danielmarkbruce 4y ago

libria 4y ago

> Should we celebrate acquisitions? [...] everyone congratulates everyone else Are they? Postmark didn't mention anything about celebrating or congratulating. They did say they were "excited [...] Postmark will [...] become even better". And it took "nearly a year of soul searching and questioning" so it seems more introspective than the champagne popping party the blogger seems to have inferred. I think they're carrying more cynicism into this than is actually there. Unless you're naive, there's strong incentive by the parent company to ensure customers are placated so things are spun as a success for that reason. Is the blogger questioning the function of Public Relations/marketing? Because, it's a thing, ya know?

gonehome 4y ago
When slack was acquired by salesforce everyone (that I remember) on HN and Twitter were congratulating each other rather than recognizing it (imo) as a failure to compete and a mediocre outcome. Pair that with their full page ad they took out mocking Microsoft and teams (then slack sued because teams was crushing them) and it was even worse. If you’re going to copy apple’s marketing you probably should be just as good.

deleted 4y ago

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dwg 4y ago

Case-by-case, standpoint-by-standpoint. Seems to me this isn’t something you would want to build a too simple philosophy around.

baron816 4y ago

If a company acquired another company to stifle competition, that’s usually bad. In every other case, it should be good. Many companies simply would never form if the opportunity to get acquired didn’t exist. Some are only able to reach scale by combining with a larger company, or with another product. And sometimes, an area of the market is oversaturated, and even reducing competition can be beneficial to consumers if it means a more sustainable outlook for firms, industries of scale, or clearer choices.

mathgladiator 4y ago

It depends on if the company commits to integration the company and customers rather than a simple shutdown or aquihire. Tf the customers still have service without too much interruption, then we should celebrate because a larger organization can amortize the operational cost and ensure the product can live much longer without relying on founder heroics.

yogini 4y ago

I think, even though the company gets acquired, the service to the customers never really ends. I take it more like a retirement, you proudly build something, you are happy about it, now you want to either slow down with your work, take a break or move on. I might be wrong in understanding this, but I think if they made it to the point where other companies could consider acquiring them, it should get celebrated :)

Parker_Powell 4y ago

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advael 4y ago

Obviously an acquisition is often profitable for someone or other, but for me to believe an acquisition to be a good thing in some broad sense requires convincing me that it’s worth the resulting additional concentration of power. I’m generally speaking against more concentration of power in almost every context, so it’s got quite a lot to prove

Nevermark 4y ago

Some acquisitions are for the underlying technology, not the product. Some acquisitions are for the team, not the product. Some acquisitions are of the brand, with product in a supportive 2nd place. Some acquisitions are for the customers, with product in a supportive 2nd place. Some acquisitions are for the product, but to be tuned for a different customer market, context, bundle of other products, etc. And some acquisitions are for the product as is, with intentions of improving the product on a trajectory compatible with existing customer use. But with greater resources put behind sales, marketing, development, polish, or other useful aspect. -- Only the last reason results in a pure win for existing customers. So from a customer perspective, or a product love perspective, most acquisitions are mixed bags at best. And potential product/service-cancellation disasters at worst.

LordGronk 4y ago

Personally, I would think there are two answers to this: a) the "we" in the question is exclusive, i.e, it only includes those that are part of the deal. In this case, I think "maybe". It brings to mind a perhaps slightly seemingly unrelated tale of how, prior to the current Paramount+ show, Halo was to be a film made by Niel Blomkamp, when that project was killed due to paramount's acquisition of the rights after years in development hell, a celebration was held by those rightfully glad to be free of shit management and the chance to move on. I have seen similar incidents in tech, but I don't want to elaborate. If the "we" is inclusive, than the answer is no, no one is even slightly obligated to celebrate other's business deals, society, as is, seems to demand we celebrate far too much already.

pketh 4y ago

> It’s been a while since I started viewing the process of building a company as providing a service. Not as in system service but as in community service. I love/share this view, I hope it catches on more broadly

mathattack 4y ago

As a buyer of software, we rarely celebrate M&A. Prices go up and support quality goes down. The only silver lining is if the original company was going under.

compsciphd 4y ago

I'd argue that most acquisitions are aqui-hires. Aqui-hires occur because the company failed in some way (unless it was designed to just be acquired, then I'd argue it was a terrible business to begin with and they were just betting on luck).